This is how it should be, but in the real world, far too many hiring managers are more worried about whether you have experience in a particular language, than whether or not you can design good software.Originally posted by: Nothinman
And if you do it right you'll learn how to program and not just memorize the syntax of a particular language.
This is how it should be, but in the real world, far too many hiring managers are more worried about whether you have experience in a particular language, than whether or not you can design good software.
Originally posted by: Czar
I hope java dies soon, its bad bad bad
My company can't hire enough Java Developers.
Originally posted by: Nothinman
My company can't hire enough Java Developers.
Maybe if Java was better they'd be able to do more with the developers they already have! *rimshot* =)
Or it could be that Java is just so much more useful than .net there's more opportunities for them to choose from, hence the shortage.
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: Czar
I hope java dies soon, its bad bad bad
oooohhhh I love unquantified statements! I'll jump on the bandwagon too! Java is bad bad bad because I said so and that should be enough to sway ANYONE's position on it! :roll:
Originally posted by: Nothinman
And if you do it right you'll learn how to program and not just memorize the syntax of a particular language.
Originally posted by: EvilManagedCare
Originally posted by: Nothinman
And if you do it right you'll learn how to program and not just memorize the syntax of a particular language.
I see a lot of statements like this, and as a relatively new Software Engineering student I get concerned I may be relying too much on learning syntax. While I understand experience is going to be necessary to put good programming into practice, are there any recommended books that illustrate good practices?
As far as Java being slow, it's all how you use it. Java, like any other language, is a tool. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a tool that when properly developed is applied to solve a business problem. As with most problems, there are many ways to solve them, but you use the best tool for the job. .Net can be slow, just like C/C++, just like PHP, just like any other language. It's not my fault you have a crappy company that hired crappy programmers.as a working network admin for years I will say that java is utter crap
1. Its slow.
2. Its a resource hog
3. Every user must be in the local administrator group because java needs administrator rights to run.
Java was slow when I was learning it, back when we had 200mhz processors, java is still slow even we have 4ghz processors.
That's a bit misleading. The .net community is far more dependent on microsoft than the java community is on sun. Ultimately I think both platforms would live beyond their creating companies but, assuming they both went under tomorrow, I'd much rather have my money invested in java.Originally posted by: Smilin
Place your long term money on Sun or Microsoft? .... hmmm decisions decisions.
I'd consider it They've made some nice stuff.Me? I'm sticking with Borland... those guys are still around right?
Originally posted by: kamper
Originally posted by: Smilin
I'd consider it They've made some nice stuff.Me? I'm sticking with Borland... those guys are still around right?
You are correct in two regards...
1. The stuff was nice.
2. "made" as in past tense.
Some big software company came along and handed them their butt.
Well, blame IBM, they made something called DB2 connect, for use to connect to a db2 database server. This program is made with Java, so for most of our programs to work, only a few done in java and they are not so slow, people must be local admins.Originally posted by: AmigaManAs far as Java being slow, it's all how you use it. Java, like any other language, is a tool. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a tool that when properly developed is applied to solve a business problem. As with most problems, there are many ways to solve them, but you use the best tool for the job. .Net can be slow, just like C/C++, just like PHP, just like any other language. It's not my fault you have a crappy company that hired crappy programmers.as a working network admin for years I will say that java is utter crap
1. Its slow.
2. Its a resource hog
3. Every user must be in the local administrator group because java needs administrator rights to run.
Java was slow when I was learning it, back when we had 200mhz processors, java is still slow even we have 4ghz processors.