Which Intel CPU for my needs no overclocking

[markrb38]

I am going to be heading to Microcenter next week for a friend to put together a pretty simple system. For now we will just be using the on chip graphics.
The choices seem to be the I5 3450, I5 2500K and the I5 3750.
The price as of now is a $20 bump for each one. He will never need 3D gaming and mostly use it for office and multiple channel audio editing. The later is the reason for the I5 horsepower as opposed to an I3. He will never overclock and in the off chance he ever decides to game we can easily add a discrete card.

In 2D applications is there any deterrence with the on chip graphics between the three?

Just out of curiosity I have an I7-930, how do any of these compare?

Thanks,
Mark

 

[Kenmitch]

When shopping at microcenter you always pick the cpu that gets you the $50 off a motherboard when buying a combo. You get this combo with the Z77 chipset boards.

Your only question should be is if the 3570k is worth $20 more than the 2500K and the answer would be hell yes as your gonna use the integrated video

 

[borisvodofsky]

I am going to be heading to Microcenter next week for a friend to put together a pretty simple system. For now we will just be using the on chip graphics.
The choices seem to be the I5 3450, I5 2500K and the I5 3750.
The price as of now is a $20 bump for each one. He will never need 3D gaming and mostly use it for office and multiple channel audio editing. The later is the reason for the I5 horsepower as opposed to an I3. He will never overclock and in the off chance he ever decides to game we can easily add a discrete card.

In 2D applications is there any deterrence with the on chip graphics between the three?

Just out of curiosity I have an I7-930, how do any of these compare?

Thanks,
Mark

clock for clock sandy is about 5-10% better than 930.
clock for clock ivy is 5-10% better than sandy.

You friend would benefit from i7 greatly if he's doing "serious" work.

If he's making shitty guitar/drum loops, then i3 would be more than enough. :sneaky:

 

[borisvodofsky]

When shopping at microcenter you always pick the cpu that gets you the $50 off a motherboard when buying a combo. You get this combo with the Z77 chipset boards.

Your only question should be is if the 3570k is worth $20 more than the 2500K and the answer would be hell yes as your gonna use the integrated video

the iGPU on the 3570 is much better than the 2500k, HOWEVER, a $20 discrete GPU is MILES better than ANY IGP.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I am going to be heading to Microcenter next week for a friend to put together a pretty simple system. For now we will just be using the on chip graphics.
The choices seem to be the I5 3450, I5 2500K and the I5 3750.
The price as of now is a $20 bump for each one. He will never need 3D gaming and mostly use it for office and multiple channel audio editing. The later is the reason for the I5 horsepower as opposed to an I3. He will never overclock and in the off chance he ever decides to game we can easily add a discrete card.

In 2D applications is there any deterrence with the on chip graphics between the three?

Just out of curiosity I have an I7-930, how do any of these compare?

Thanks,
Mark

On the Intel 3000/4000 graphics (iGPU). You can turn it off . . . . or you can turn it on. You can run your monitors off the motherboard plugs (but DVI is not "-D" -- it has what looks to be a mini-HDMI port as well as VGA. You can then install a dGPU and its drivers, and install Lucid Virtu so that the two processors work together in a way that reduces the power draw of the PCI-E graphics card. Or -- you can run your monitors off the dGPU (dGPU mode), install Lucid Virtu and consume more power while getting slightly better performance.

In the first scenario, I believe you can choose as much system RAM as you wish for using the Intel graphics. (And a 16GB 2x8GB RAM kit may cost you maybe $105+.) In the second scenario, the amount of RAM allocated for the Intel graphics is a fixed, relatively small amount -- probably 64MB.

As for the rest of it, supposedly the IB cores have only shown a 7% advantage over the SB cores, and I'm guessing that the SBE processor is still an exception to that ranking. But the i5-2500K, i7-2600K and i7-2700K have really proven themselves. I really don't think -- at this point -- that it makes a difference.

 

[rickon66]

3570K mostly for the superior IGP and you can get a mobo cheap with it at Microcenter.

 

[markrb38]

Thanks for the Info. Microcenter has made the choice a non issue as the 2500K has been taken off the $50 off motherboard list.
So it will most likely be the 3570K with an Asrock motherboard.

Mark

 

[Yuriman]

Just pitching in that overclocking is as easy as installing the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility and changing the turbo multiplier (drag a slider) from 38x (3.8ghz) to 40/42x. I've not heard of a chip that won't run 4.2ghz with otherwise entirely stock settings, most have at least 1-200mhz headroom on top of that.

 

[Kenmitch]

Thanks for the Info. Microcenter has made the choice a non issue as the 2500K has been taken off the $50 off motherboard list.
So it will most likely be the 3570K with an Asrock motherboard.

Mark

3570k is a better option these days.

I just checked online and the 2500k will still bundle with z77 motherboards. I only checked with 3 motherboards to see tho but all were lower end Asrock's.

 

[borisvodofsky]

3570k is a better option these days.

I just checked online and the 2500k will still bundle with z77 motherboards. I only checked with 3 motherboards to see tho but all were lower end Asrock's.

I still maintain 2500k is a better deal.

$20 Cheaper
Time tested overclocking performer
ALL new batches OC to 4.7-4.8Ghz @ 1.35.
Even Intel Burn test DOES NOT come close to reach Tjmax


Unlike IVY, where you come dangerously close to Tjmax even on good cooling..
iGPU is useless, as lucid virtue DOES NOT save power. HD3000 vs HD4000 is similar enough in video conversions, it's still an overnight ordeal no matter what with big batches. Nothing's changed in that regard.
PCIe3.0 not useful without 2x690, which you wouldn't pair with 1155 anyway.
USB3.0 hardware not prevalent enough to even bother.


Delid helps, but you risk core crushing.

 

[Kenmitch]

I still maintain 2500k is a better deal.

$20 Cheaper
Time tested overclocking performer
ALL new batches OC to 4.7-4.8Ghz @ 1.35.
Even Intel Burn test DOES NOT come close to reach Tjmax


Unlike IVY, where you come dangerously close to Tjmax even on good cooling..
iGPU is useless, as lucid virtue DOES NOT save power. HD3000 vs HD4000 is similar enough in video conversions, it's still an overnight ordeal no matter what with big batches. Nothing's changed in that regard.
PCIe3.0 not useful without 2x690, which you wouldn't pair with 1155 anyway.
USB3.0 hardware not prevalent enough to even bother.


Delid helps, but you risk core crushing.

My 2550k throttled at 4.8ghz during pre-testing....Using the stock cooler

Most people will say get the 3570k but the 2500k is a good deal also if your fortunate enough to live close to a microcenter. Their bundle discount is the icing on the cake!

 

[borisvodofsky]

My 2550k throttled at 4.8ghz during pre-testing....Using the stock cooler

Most people will say get the 3570k but the 2500k is a good deal also if your fortunate enough to live close to a microcenter. Their bundle discount is the icing on the cake!

If you put too much voltage through it, that' doesn't count.

 

[Kenmitch]

If you put too much voltage through it, that' doesn't count.

4.8ghz + 1.38v's + stock cooler = throttle

 

[borisvodofsky]

4.8ghz + 1.38v's + stock cooler = throttle

Alrighty then, see?, you had improper cooling.

Although if you're using LLC, your peak IBT avx test voltage might be near 1.40.

Never use stock cooler. why would you use a stock cooler on a k-part.

 

[borisvodofsky]

Just to respond to the OP, you DO NOT need an upgrade, it's totally NOT worth it coming from a 930.

Wait at least another year.

 

[2is]

the iGPU on the 3570 is much better than the 2500k, HOWEVER, a $20 discrete GPU is MILES better than ANY IGP.

Find me a $20 video card that will outperform HD4000. I'll bet you can't.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-review/18

HD4000 performing on par with a 5450 at worst, and killing it at best. And that's a $35 video card.

 

[borisvodofsky]

Find me a $20 video card that will outperform HD4000. I'll bet you can't.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-review/18

HD4000 performing on par with a 5450 at worst, and killing it at best. And that's a $35 video card.

TAAA DAAAA

ATI HD 5450, $15
http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/596...file-video-cards-512mb-asus-or-1gb-powercolor

Nvidia GT 520, $15
http://slickdeals.net/f/3602604-Zot...-Ready-Video-Card-14-99-AR-with-free-shipping

ATI HD 6450, $20
http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/762...ci-express-low-profile-video-card-gvr645sl1gi

ATI HD 6450, $15
http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/661...0-1gb-ddr3-pci-express-low-profile-video-card

Oh the look on ur face. Your tears are delicious.


muahahahahaha

And we're not even dabbling in the USED market..

 

[Yuriman]

The HD4000 has a few weaknesses which are probably driver related - take a look at Minecraft performance. While it may perform on par with an entry-level card in most cases, in some it's only a quarter as fast.

 

[2is]

TAAA DAAAA

ATI 5450, $15
http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/596...file-video-cards-512mb-asus-or-1gb-powercolor

Nvidia GT 520, $15
http://slickdeals.net/f/3602604-Zot...-Ready-Video-Card-14-99-AR-with-free-shipping

Oh the look on ur face. Your tears are delicious.

muahahahahaha

And we're not even dabbling in the USED market..

Try again...

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/353960-33-4000-gt520

and read the link I gave you above to show you that 5450 is slower.

I know you like to present guess work as facts, but it's not going to work this time.

EDIT: actually you need only to check the first link... Looks like they might be the same graphs.

So you provided cards that are only $20 after rebate and are still slower... I'm still waiting to see a $20 card thats miles better.

 

[borisvodofsky]

Try again...

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/353960-33-4000-gt520

and read the link I gave you above to show you that 5450 is slower.

I know you like to present guess work as facts, but it's not going to work this time.

EDIT: actually you need only to check the first link... Looks like they might be the same graphs.

So you provided cards that are only $20 after rebate and are still slower... I'm still waiting to see a $20 card thats miles better.

LOL, what a sore loser you are.

ANY discrete card is miles better, this is a rule. D:

You wanna be a kid about it, fine,

Note the 6450 i posted, they are almost double the performance of 5450, if you take all the 5450 numbers and double them, you solidly beat the the intel 4000

ATI HD 6450, $20
http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/762...ci-express-low-profile-video-card-gvr645sl1gi

ATI HD 6450, $15
http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/661...0-1gb-ddr3-pci-express-low-profile-video-card


victory!!!... hahahaha

 

[2is]

LOL, what a sore loser you are.

ANY discrete card is miles better, this is a rule. D:

You wanna be a kid about it, fine,

victory!!!... hahahaha

That's yoru story and you're sticking to it.

Its ok, you got schooled this time, just remember next time you make something up, do a quick google search before actually posting. Every once in a while, your guesswork might be correct. This wasn't one of those times.

 

[borisvodofsky]

That's yoru story and you're sticking to it.

Its ok, you got schooled this time, just remember next time you make something up, do a quick google search before actually posting. Every once in a while, your guesswork might be correct. This wasn't one of those times.

I have no idea what you're clinging to, but please put the pride away and admit defeat...

6450 for $20 is a much better choice than hd4000

 

[2is]

I have no idea what you're clinging to, but please put the pride away and admit defeat...

6450 for $20 is a much better choice than hd4000

Is it?

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/buying-a...-bridge-graphics-kills-budget-graphics-cards/

You're all kinds of fail tonight...

Not to mention the deals you're posting are expired lol

Its ok, we both know you're trolling right now.

 

[borisvodofsky]

Is it?

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/buying-a...-bridge-graphics-kills-budget-graphics-cards/

You're all kinds of fail tonight...

Not to mention the deals you're posting are expired lol

Its ok, we both know you're trolling right now.

I've never met anyone who's failed as hard as you.

6450 provides way better image quality, constant graphics performance and it can clock pretty high with good ventilation. It is also supports dxva which uses only 5-10% cpu for full bit stream 1080p.

Note the higher hd 4000 score above is with no AA
The lower hd 4000 score is with/ AA

 

[pantsaregood]

clock for clock sandy is about 5-10% better than 930.
clock for clock ivy is 5-10% better than sandy.

no

Sandy Bridge is about 13% faster than Nehalem on average. In AES or AVX capable applications, this should increase significantly.

Ivy Bridge is usually about 6% faster than Sandy Bridge.

Ivy Bridge is a die shrink. The fact any performance gain came out of it is exceptional.