Which is a really good watercooling setup to get?

[CrewXp]

I'm buying the intel 805D and overclocking it to 4.1ghz. So I'm going to need a darn good watercooling setup. This is my first time using watercooling too, so I have no idea of what to get. I read that building the watercooling setup is better than buying a prebuilt one. But I would like yalls opinion first. I would like to have a good one. So what parts do you reccomend?

Oh yeah. I prefer to have it internal so I can have portability, and some sort of display or something that adds to the looks is something I would really like.

Anyways, I'm excited about setting all this up. THANKS!!

 

[Howard]

The overclock isn't guaranteed, you know.

 

[CrewXp]

Yeah, that's why I'm trying to get the best parts to help it do so.

Which watercooling setup would you suggest to build/get?
thx

 

[nealh]

what are you going to cool..cpu, gpu , one or both

Your case will be important for what size radiator you purchase...that is a dual or triple 120mm radiator

DIY should perform much better than most prebuilt kits

Some suggestions:

Pump:
Iwaki MD20 $160
http://www.aquadirect.com/store/home.php?cat=239
HD20= Iwaki MD20 $110.. use 3/4in fittings so tubing will need to be larger
http://www.aquadirect.com/store/product.php?productid=495&cat=224&page=1
if they truly are MD20 pumps
DDC ultra modded $110
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/...roduct_info&cPath=201&products_id=4509 this pump performs as well as the Aquaxtreme 50z and MCP655/D5 or better with equal to better noise
MCP655 $80
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCP655-12-VDC-Pump-pr-2982.html
Aquaextreme 50z $75
http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchant2/m...duct_Code=AQX-50Z-DC12&Category_Code=P

Cpu Block:
Storm rev 2 $80
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-Storm-Universal-Waterblock-Rev-2-pr-3022.html

Apogee $45.. also at jab tech ..less restrictive block for flow

Gpu block:
MCW60 w/ram sinks $60
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCW60-VGA-cooler-pr-3252.html
DD Maze 4 $42 but you need ram sinks
http://www.jab-tech.com/Low-Profile-Acetal-MAZE4-GPU-1-2-Barbs-pr-3262.html

Radiator:
HE 120.2 or PA120.2 ~ $100
http://www.jab-tech.com/120mm-Dual-c-257.html
Black Ice GT $43
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/home.php?cat=81
SwiftechMCR220 $43
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/...ain_page=product_info&products_id=3653

tubing
Masterkleer(50cents a foot) or tygon($2 foot) 7/16internal dia and 5/8 outer diameter
http://www.jab-tech.com/Masterkleer-Tubing-7-16-ID-5-8-OD-pr-3079.html

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ty7id5odlatu.html

I would recommend 1/2" barbs(less restrictive) and worm drive clamps(these help secure the tubing to the barbs), fans, teflon tape

Coolant I use Distilled water and Zerex racing coolant(small amount) not the antifreeze...I use no other additives or dyes..which could clog my Storm rev 2...it has small "jets" that can clog easily

Additives:
HdryX $4
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-liq-02.html?id=54DTxWw9

this is designed for WCing setups...Hardwarrior's experiences indicates that iti s more approriate for WC but you need to use properly dilution..which is easy and implicitly stated

 

[HardWarrior]

Unless you like living dangerously, don't depend on racing coolant as a water-cooling additive. It's designed for a completely different environment. The continued use of additives such as this, in this day and age, constitutes nothing more than intellectual inertia. There are additives, however, that are formulated specifically for use in water-cooling. This constitutes a fairly complete list of options. If something interests you don't be shy about hunting up reviews and testimonials. Second only to your pump your coolant selection represents a very important aspect of your loops performance, in both the long and short terms.

 

[nealh]

Hardwarrior ...what is your preferred additive?

 

[HardWarrior]

Let's let the OP express his thoughts on the subject first. After that, I'd be glad to make a suggestion.

 

[VballCoach]

masterkleer 7/16 $.38/ft @ mcmaster.com - suggest getting 20ft.

you can do the inlet mod on the mcp350 yourself and save yourself some $$$ and it's not hard at all.

 

[NGExterminator]

what do u guys think about danger den vs, koolance? i have heard a lot of ****** about both, both bad and good.

 

[HardWarrior]

Koolance is the easier choice, being built-in and all. It's a viable option if that's the way you want to go. DD products are by and far good, and their customer support is sterling. However, IMO, they're allowing themselves to fall behind in newer designs for their CPU blocks. This isn't to much of an issue though since the TDX and RBX blocks are still solid performers.

 

[Billb2]

Originally posted by: CrewXp
. So what parts do you reccomend?

Monthly best watercooling parts roundup.
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=369416

 

[TrevorRC]

Originally posted by: nealh
what are you going to cool..cpu, gpu , one or both

Your case will be important for what size radiator you purchase...that is a dual or triple 120mm radiator

DIY should perform much better than most prebuilt kits

Some suggestions:

Pump:
DDC ultra modded $110
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/...roduct_info&cPath=201&products_id=4509 this pump performs as well as the Aquaxtreme 50z and MCP655/D5 or better with equal to better noise
MCP655 $80
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCP655-12-VDC-Pump-pr-2982.html
Aquaextreme 50z $75
http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchant2/m...duct_Code=AQX-50Z-DC12&Category_Code=P

Hm. Seems a tad expensive. For 110 bucks you can buy an HD20 [AKA the MD20] at Aquadirect.... which will wipe the floor with that DDC.
--Trevor

Edited for politeness. My apologies.

 

[Nirach]

Personally, I'd look at car heater matricies, and if you can find 'em, 12volt waterpumps from cars/motorcycles. Tehy may be noiser than the things you can get 'specifically for pcs' but they're a damnsight more powerfull. Rad. wise you're talking 30kilowatts + cooling power vs your 1-2 kilowatt device (At absolute maximum). Provided you jubilee clip all the hoses down well, and don't make a ballsup of the tube runs, it's all good.

Car heater matricies, in the UK at least, run about £10-20 less than the 'official pc' units. Although, they're higher density and need more manly fans to get the airflow, but mounted well enough, and in the right place, It'll be hardly any noisier than a low density 'official pc' setup. Hell, if you feel like cleaning a matrix out (Strapping a hose to one of the inputs) and blasting the crap buildup out, you can probably get one from a scrapyard for ah heck all. Their biggest issue is lack of shroud, but some 1mm steel, or aluminium, soon puts an end to that.

 

[nealh]

Trevor RC..

the DDC + 18w when modded for flow has outstanding performance

the Laing DDC+ is smaller footprint

How is noise on this pump....the DDC+ is very quiet

With the specs on the HD20..basically few pumps compare...but size and noise will be a factor for some...but a very nice price

http://www.aquadirect.com/store/product.php?productid=495&cat=224&page=1

No doubt $110 for an Iwaki pump is excellent....did know you could it so inexpensively...

 

[TrevorRC]

MaxxxRacer
MD-20/WMD-20
This pump based off of cathars calculations is the best AC based pump that money can buy. It will give you the lowest temperatures regardless of setup (given that you have a dual fan rad or more).
This is the bigger brother of the MD-15. This pump does 6.7gallons per minute and has 14 feet of head. This is where Iwaki goes into a class of its own. There are no other aquarium pumps that can touch these. (I'm sure there are some out there somewhere, but for the most part...) This pump can handle literally anything you can throw at it. I had to retighten all my seals on the water block to get it watertight again. As far as noise goes, this pump is very quiet. It does have some noise on the lower hertz, but the sound of some fans at low speed are louder than it. only if u have your fans completely silent will it cause you to notice it. This model is 110 dollars for the WMD (American) and 160 for the MD (Japanese) model. This pump consumes rougly 45 watts of power, and dumps 14.5-20 watts of heat into the water.

 

[nealh]

Wow..I missed this completely in Maxxracers stuff..damn it and I thought I had read the tutorials better..damn it!

Hmm..maybe I would have gotten this instead of my DDC+ with modded top ..requires more watts and produces more heat(?)....for future upgrades it may require I get a better PSU

Remeber the DDC+ is higher flow than DDC..but still no where near as good as Iwaki..I need a small pump in my P180

Anyway..excellent point on great pump

No I recall why I did not go this route...price..Maxxracers..links were for $160+

your link is much better at $110...no choice really...

Pump:
HD20
http://www.aquadirect.com/store/product.php?productid=495&cat=224&page=1
These pumps are designed and built by a former chief engineer from Iwaki-Japan. They feature the same flow curves, high head pressure, low noise, and reliability that have made Iwaki the best magnetic drive pumps available. The BlueLine HD pumps are even slightly quieter than Iwaki, with a lower frequency. These units are yellow rather than green and carry a full 1 Year parts and labor guarantee. All seal-free bearings and magnetic drive for 10+ years of useable life. No seals to leak!

so if they turn out to be as good as MD20

I give credit to TrevorRC...

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: CrewXp
Yeah, that's why I'm trying to get the best parts to help it do so.

Which watercooling setup would you suggest to build/get?
thx

I think your missing howards point entirely. Even if you have the most uber/leet/super/excellent/the cream of the crop watercooling setup your not going to get gaurentee'd results! So dont think by getting a 500 dollar cooling system your going to get that overclock, because straight out its a luck of the draw.

Also if budget isnt a issue, no stock watercooling kit will beat coolIT freezeone. This uses a peilter to chill the water and keep your temps at 27C while on load. You need to set the fans on max and it can get a bit noisey but if your looking for just a CPU option, CoolIT will give u the coldest temps hands down unless u decide to go peitler on your watercooling setup.

CoolIT

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: CrewXp
Yeah, that's why I'm trying to get the best parts to help it do so.

Which watercooling setup would you suggest to build/get?
thx

I think your missing howards point entirely. Even if you have the most uber/leet/super/excellent/the cream of the crop watercooling setup your not going to get gaurentee'd results! So dont think by getting a 500 dollar cooling system your going to get that overclock, because straight out its a luck of the draw.

Also if budget isnt a issue, no stock watercooling kit will beat coolIT freezeone. This uses a peilter to chill the water and keep your temps at 27C while on load. You need to set the fans on max and it can get a bit noisey but if your looking for just a CPU option, CoolIT will give u the coldest temps hands down unless u decide to go peitler on your watercooling setup.

CoolIT

cause tiny little AIR COOLED peltiers are that great... idk but from what it seems to me it isn't great at all. Better yet get a water chiller... much better. Or just use a regular Peltier.

 

[nealh]

or go Phase Change..getting pretty $$$

 

[Praxis1452]

lol build your own!!! :-D

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: CrewXp
Yeah, that's why I'm trying to get the best parts to help it do so.

Which watercooling setup would you suggest to build/get?
thx

I think your missing howards point entirely. Even if you have the most uber/leet/super/excellent/the cream of the crop watercooling setup your not going to get gaurentee'd results! So dont think by getting a 500 dollar cooling system your going to get that overclock, because straight out its a luck of the draw.

Also if budget isnt a issue, no stock watercooling kit will beat coolIT freezeone. This uses a peilter to chill the water and keep your temps at 27C while on load. You need to set the fans on bmax and it can get ait noisey but if your looking for just a CPU option, CoolIT will give u the coldest temps hands down unless u decide to go peitler on your watercooling setup.
CoolIT

cause tiny little AIR COOLED peltiers are that great... idk but from what it seems to me it isn't great at all. Better yet get a water chiller... much better. Or just use a regular Peltier.

uhhh i specifically stated that he would get better results on a custom TEC system. But the level of questions the op is asking, i would highly doubt he has any idea on how a TEC system should be setup. Hell i think even Hardwarrior would think twice before stepping into TEC and he's someone i even come to to ask questions on h2o cooling.

Chilled Water is exactly what the freezeone is. And custom homebrew chilled water cooled systems are incredibly big. There isnt one i can think of that u can simply mount inside on the computer. That freezone is probably the smallest chilled water system your gonna be able to buy on the market.

You dont care about price and budget? get the CoolIT freezone. at 399 its extremely expensive but it will out perform any homebrew/kit you can buy that doesnt involve evap or a 226W TEC system.

If you have a budget, then getting a homebrew or a kit is likely the best resolve. However you still wont be promised a 4+ghz overclock either way. Or you could do what nealh says and go phase or TEC where i have yet to see someone not reach uber clock speeds on, but its also going to cost you more then getting a 940 prestler and overclocking it to 4ghz on water.

Stock 805 = 2.66 ghz He wants to get 4ghz out of it which means >50% overclock. WOW
My AMD = 2.0ghz stock > best i could push her was 2.95ghz <50% overclock.

cou*keep dreaming*gh my X2 Toledo is still praised as one of the best overclockers and even that close to 50% more overclock i was jumping up and down like a rabbit on crack.

You'll honestly be lucky to hit 3.6ghz on water even. Anything more then that and your thinking your peter pan and you can jump out the window and fly. :X

LAST EDIT: OMG OP I SWEAR if you looked at Toms Hardware on there D805 Review and you think you can get the 4.1ghz on air KEEEEEEEEEP DREAAAAAAAAAAAMING they seriously only test intel cpu's that are cherry picked out of the already cherry picked. MEANING THE CHANCES OF YOU GETTING A CHIP SIMULAR IS PURELY OUT OF INSANE LUCK.

 

[aigomorla]

Ack Sorry computer tripping