Which LCD should I buy?

[AdamMT1618]

I apolagize if this question is asked a lot, I spent over 2 hours researching this forum but I can't figure out which LCD is most respected in terms of gaming (RPGs). My budget is under $360.

I currently use a ATI x800XT video card on a AMD 64 3500 with 1GB RAM, so ghosting or blurr is my main concern.

I have decided against the Dell UltraSharp 1905FP due to bad gaming performance, so any suggestions would be appreciated, thank you.

LCDs:

ViewSonic VX924 Black/Silver 19" 3ms
Screen Size 19"
Display Type SXGA
Maximum Resolution 1280x1024
Recommended Resolution 1280x1024
Viewing Angle 160°(H) / 160°(V)
Brightness 270 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio 550:1
Response Time 3ms gray-to-gray (avg.); 6ms white-black-white (typ)'

SAMSUNG 915N-Black 19" 8ms LCD Monitor
Screen Size 19"
Display Type SXGA
Maximum Resolution 1280x1024
Recommended Resolution 1280x1024
Viewing Angle 160°(H) / 160°(V)
Pixel Pitch 0.294mm
Display Colours 16.2 Million
Brightness 300 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio 700:1
Response Time 8ms

HYUNDAI L90D+ Silver 19" 8ms
Screen Size 19"
Display Type SXGA
Maximum Resolution 1280x1024
Recommended Resolution 1280x1024
Viewing Angle 150°(H) / 135°(V)
Pixel Pitch 0.294mm
Display Colours 16.7 Million
Brightness 300 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio 700:1
Response Time 8ms

 

[AdamMT1618]

Bump!

 

[mrkun]

Don't buy the VX924, it's response time isn't good overall.

Not sure about the Samsung.

The L90D+ is highly respected for games. However, it is not good for playing movies.

 

[Insomniak]

Samsung.

Always, Samsung.

 

[Unkno]

I have researched on many LCDs and the best 19" at your price range would be the Samsung 913T/930B or Hyundai L90D+. The samsung you listed there, IIRC, does not have a dvi input.

 

[rancherlee]

I just went through the same thing and about a weeks worth of research. I Ordered up a Viewsonic VX924 yesterday from the Egg. There seemed to be a bad batch of the Hyundai's floating around lately (according to the reviews on egg). The Viewsonic got a pretty good review at Tom's except for the Response time tests BUT its still goast free. All of them are 6 bit panel monitors also.

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: rancherlee
I just went through the same thing and about a weeks worth of research. I Ordered up a Viewsonic VX924 yesterday from the Egg. There seemed to be a bad batch of the Hyundai's floating around lately (according to the reviews on egg). The Viewsonic got a pretty good review at Tom's except for the Response time tests BUT its still goast free. All of them are 6 bit panel monitors also.

arr , Tomshardware i stopped reading that website ages ago ;*( .

 

[goobernoodles]

I own a L90D+ and it definately kicks ass for games. Movies look great, however, you really have to be pretty much right in front of the monitor. Even 35-40 degrees and you start getting color loss. If being right in front of the monitor is no problem, get the L90D+. Definately a great buy.

 

[rancherlee]

got my VX924 today and its a nice monitor, WAY too bright out of the box and very close to CRT goast freeness....... My first LCD But I've used alot of other peoples before and this is by far the best I've used.

 

[gac009]

Originally posted by: mrkun
Don't buy the VX924, it's response time isn't good overall.

Not sure about the Samsung.

The L90D+ is highly respected for games. However, it is not good for playing movies.

I took this from the your very link.

"These results have to be put into perspective. Our measurements of fall time produced very low values - sometimes below one millisecond - which means that the remanence of a light object on a black background has all but disappeared. And in itself, that's already an impressive result. That's what we could see, for example, when we moved the mouse cursor around on the desktop. We saw no ghosting, no trails, no loss of cursor brightness... nothing."

"Video games were no problem either; the monitor was very reactive, especially during abrupt transitions. But the difference between this model and the VP191b/s wasn't dramatic. On the other hand, it's a visible improvement over standard 8 ms panels like the Hyundai L90D+. The lack of accuracy in transient states is not really bothersome."


I actually had the very same delima as you not too long ago and I chose the VX924 over the L90D+ . Its still faster than the L90D+ but thats not why I choose it. I choose it because from reading multiple reviews about both monitors I decided that I like the color and contrast of the VX924 better. This from tom's sums it up the best

"The VX924 is the best monitor we've seen in a long time from this point of view. The black was very deep (0.26 nits) with a good brightness level that's not blinding - 159 nits. This is good to see at a time when most manufacturers are pushing brightness excessively at the expense of user comfort."

I read alot about the L90D+ being too bright for comfort, especially over long periods of time and that if you lower the brightness you lose color fidelity.

Basically the I decided that the VX924 was a more comfortable monitor over long periods of time and that even though its not as fast as they claim its still faster than the L90D+. Also the L90D+ is supposed to scale horribly, all LCDs scale badly but the L90D+ I hear is particulary bad. The VX924 dose not show movies any better than any other 6bit monitor.

They sale VX924s at compusa so you might want to go take a look at one in person, just remember that its going to be an analouge / scaled image but if you ask they should be able to go to the back and show it in its native image if they think you might buy one.

 

[Chopstick217]

If you are willing to wait, you can probably pick up a Dell 2005 for roughly 370. I bought mine for 390 a few weeks ago. And i pretty much use my lcd for gaming and i love it. I highly recommend it.

 

[rahzel]

Samsung makes good monitors, but i prefer LCD's with DVI. It doesnt make sense to convert a Digital signal to Analog... The 915 is only analog AFAIK.

i HIGHLY doubt the viewsonic is 3ms but i have heard good things about that monitor.

Ive heard many people get dead pixels with the L90D+.

Out of your choices, i would go with the Viewsonic. You might also want to consider the Samsung 930BF, 940B or if you want something cheaper, the 913T/930B (both dont include DVI cables though) or the BenQ FP91G+.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Samsung.

Always, Samsung.

Agreed. ALthough i would get a different model.

 

[Busithoth]

Originally posted by: Chopstick217
If you are willing to wait, you can probably pick up a Dell 2005 for roughly 370. I bought mine for 390 a few weeks ago. And i pretty much use my lcd for gaming and i love it. I highly recommend it.

agreed. for your price range, this would be my decision.

 

[Nextman916]

you should really look into this monitor, would save you sum money. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112173 . It has .264 pixel pitch which makes everything more clear and if it were to come with dead pixels you wouldnt even notice it. Im currently saving up for it.

 

[Reiniku]

Originally posted by: Nextman916
you should really look into this monitor, would save you sum money. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112173 . It has .264 pixel pitch which makes everything more clear and if it were to come with dead pixels you wouldnt even notice it. Im currently saving up for it.

Friend has that monitor and loves it. It has backlight bleeding but those are fairly common from what I can tell.

I personally have the Samsung 930b and it has VERY slight backlight bleeding as well as a dead pixel in the top right corner... perfect spot to have one. I never notice it. Other than that I like the monitor.

 

[ChuckHsiao]

Uh, nope, that 19" has a pixel pitch of 0.294 mm. They simply wrote the spec wrong. All 19" monitors that are 1280 x 1024 have a pixel pitch of 0.294 mm. A 0.264 mm pixel pitch is for 17" monitors.

 

[ViciouS]

Get the dell 2005fpw ($390)or the 2400fpw ($780) great response times and you can get them cheap. More bang for your buck.

 

[ViciouS]

BTW once you play on Widescreen you will NEVER want to go back. WOW looks so good on WS.

 

[AdamMT1618]

I decided to go with the HYUNDAI L90D+, I would like a Widescreen but I will wait until the HDTV ones are more affordable so it saves me more money.

HYUNDAI L90D+ has a Samsung panel and very good reviews despite the recent bad batch of monitors that hit the market. The warrenty is 3 years with an average pixel policy, so I will risk that. I hear the HYUNDAI L90D+ is one of the best LCDs for gaming, the reviews on this is outstanding. I actualy like full screens still, but like I said, once HDTV Widescreens are available at an affordable price I will go that route. The 2005FPW is attractive to me, but if I would upgrade from that in a year or two anyways for an HDTV Widescreen, I mine as well save 100 dollars and stick with a fullscreen gaming capable LCD until then.

Thank you for the help.

 

[goobernoodles]

Actually, I had a pixel get stuck green on my L90+.

I was pretty pissed until I rubbed it out. I was able to gently rub out the thing. I was pretty stoked about that. hahaha

No problems other than that. Its GREAT for gaming.

 

[rstrohkirch]

I just installed my l90d+ yesterday and after playing with it for a few hours I've come to the conclusion; I like it for games but not for basic desktop/static use. I've tried playing with the brightness and contrast controls but no matter what I do I still get a slightly washed out look with a tad to much overall brightness.

I sit behind dual vp191b at work and have installed and played with every single one of the dell flat panels except for the 2405, generally in dual monitor setups. We even have some lower line viewsonics and acers in some office worker's cubes and none of them exhibit this much of a wash out.

Guess I'm a little bummed and hopefully I can find the right settings to change my mind.

 

[AdamMT1618]

Originally posted by: rstrohkirch
I just installed my l90d+ yesterday and after playing with it for a few hours I've come to the conclusion; I like it for games but not for basic desktop/static use. I've tried playing with the brightness and contrast controls but no matter what I do I still get a slightly washed out look with a tad to much overall brightness.

I sit behind dual vp191b at work and have installed and played with every single one of the dell flat panels except for the 2405, generally in dual monitor setups. We even have some lower line viewsonics and acers in some office worker's cubes and none of them exhibit this much of a wash out.

Guess I'm a little bumped and hopefully I can find the right settings to change my mind.

But dosen't your video card have anything to do with the video quality? I use a x800XT, which I would think gives better video quality compared to an older video card. I think I read with the L90D+ that contrast set at 60-65 or something is nice.

One thing I disliked about the Dell 2005fpw was ghosting in gaming.

 

[gac009]

Originally posted by: AdamMT1618

Originally posted by: rstrohkirch
I just installed my l90d+ yesterday and after playing with it for a few hours I've come to the conclusion; I like it for games but not for basic desktop/static use. I've tried playing with the brightness and contrast controls but no matter what I do I still get a slightly washed out look with a tad to much overall brightness.

I sit behind dual vp191b at work and have installed and played with every single one of the dell flat panels except for the 2405, generally in dual monitor setups. We even have some lower line viewsonics and acers in some office worker's cubes and none of them exhibit this much of a wash out.

Guess I'm a little bumped and hopefully I can find the right settings to change my mind.

But dosen't your video card have anything to do with the video quality? I use a x800XT, which I would think gives better video quality compared to an older video card. I think I read with the L90D+ that contrast set at 60-65 or something is nice.

One thing I disliked about the Dell 2005fpw was ghosting in gaming.

What he is talking about is the L90D+ upping the brightness to make the colors seem more vibrant and to increase contrast artifically. ITs looks great at first and then your eyes start to hurt. When you lower the brightness the colors are washed out. This is why I choose the VX924, the coloration isnt as perfect as you would find on a slower more expensive monitor but if your looking for a gaming monitor it has the best color/contrast/comfort for your price range and its still faster than the L90D+. It may not be worth 100$ more than the L90D+ but its still worth the extra 50. The L90D+ was the first affordable acceptable gaming monitor, and thats where it gets all its hype but others have come out since that are better and in the same price range, for example the VX924.

 

[CaiNaM]

i am very surprised that i'm saying this, but this week i had to make an emergency run for a monitor, and i ended up picking up an envision en9410 at staples... it was on sale for $249 (msrp $379 - newegg carries for about $280 +shipping) and after i read a quick review, figured what the heck, there's a 14-day return policy.. it'll get me by until i order one elsewhere.

well, surprise of surprises, this monitor is a damn nice value. no dvi, but comparing it to my dell and samsung, i can't say the others are better. screen is nice and bright, color is good, and i've had no ghosting problems (listed as 16ms response). i'm thinking i might pick up another one before the sale is over tomorrow...

still prefer crt's for gaming, but the small footprint/weight of flat panels are so nice....