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n0cmonkey

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<< Burned and installed the RH 7.2 ISO today.. VERY easy install. Can't wait to find time to play with it. >>



Congrats! Good choice. I started with RedHat and since I couldnt stand it I went with slackware

Anyhow, remember, if you like the linux experience in general (different way of thinking, different type of system and whatnot) but RedHat doesnt do it for you, there are hundreds of others
 

flawedecision

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Burned and installed the RH 7.2 ISO today.. VERY easy install. Can't wait to find time to play with it.



muhahaha
another day, another rh user.
 

NorthenLove

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I love Suse 7.3 ! I have tried RedHat, and Mandrake but Suse seems to keep draggging me back. It detected all my hardware and I can plug in my headphones into my LiveDrive and turn off my speeakers and still hear music through my LiveDrive with no problems. Suse will conitinue to be my distro of choice as long as they keep improving and moving foward as they are doing so now.
 

TheVrolok

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It's amazing how easy it has become to install/use a distro of Linux since I first tried back a few years ago.. soon Linux.. soon..
 

manly

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<< Well if you are intent on utilizing the distro specific tools and gui administrative advantages then yes, the distro can make all the difference in the world...

but if you don't plan on leaving the command line then in my view it doesn't matter what you use... and I've tried quite a few except for debian. Haven't had time for debian.

I also prefer a distro that I know how to pronounce... Soos? Debean? come on, as if things weren't difficult as is.
>>



You're pronouncing them wrong. And pronunciation doesn't matter to most of us much.

I still don't agree with you 100%. Even if you never ever leave the command line, administration tools and system configuration are very relevant. And why give advice for users who only use the CLI? I use the CLI a lot, but the GUI makes sense for a lot of apps. 98% of users will want to use X-Windows in some capacity.

For example, for many years, SuSE is admin'd through CLI yast (and now yast2). yast isn't great, but it was one of the first integrated administration tools for Linux to ship. SuSE also has had an easily-scripted firewall interface to ipchains for a long time as well (this was added only in Red Hat 7.1). And I think SuSE's firewall scripts are still more flexible than RH. Not everybody wants to cook their own ipchains/iptables rules. It's advisable to definitely understand firewall issues, but if you had to cook your own, Linux use would be forever reserved for geeks. And even if you're a geek, why cook your own firewall rules (which might have vulnerabilities) when the distro ships a well-tested one scripted by a qualified engineer?

Another example is package management. One of the primary reasons people like Debian is apt-get. Until very recently, apt-get (or functional equivalents) is not available on any other distro. I don't use Debian because I need a more compatible distro (with commercially supported apps), but I really wish RPM had an apt-get (I know these features are now being worked on by various OSS developers).

So I'm sorry but your opinion is too simplified. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but to extend your opinion, I could say use any Windows OS. They are mostly similar, and accomplish the same work. But like I say in my last post, some OS's in the same family are better than others. Sometimes, they are even vastly different from an end-user standpoint (and not a developer's source code standpoint).

 

Nothinman

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Debian is great for lazy communists. apt and dselect are supposed to be two of the greatest programs out there for upgrading and installing software, but their adherance to the GPL is disturbing. (sure someone will flame me for that ).

While I don't mind being called a lazy red, lord knows I'll never fight with RedHat's packages or compiling with Slack, I must defend Debian's licensing adherence. Debian supports all Free Software licenses, not just GPL but BSD, Artistic, Apache, X, etc. The non-free section is for licenses more restrictive than the GPL not less. Just because you like the fact that MS can use your code without telling anyone doesn't mean we all should =)

But I also think this thread should never have existed, what with the search button being so prominent and all, so maybe I'm just f'd in the head all around =)

I don't use Debian because I need a more compatible distro (with commercially supported apps),

I've never had a problem installing a commercial app on Debian, of course if you mean "call for help" support then you're right.

but I really wish RPM had an apt-get (I know these features are now being worked on by various OSS developers).

Connectiva (IIRC) has this in their latest release, although it's the packages that make Debian not apt, don't get me wrong apt rocks but most RPMs I used when I ran RedHat were put together very poorly.
 

CrazyHelloDeli

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SuSE is the best because you get a free SuSE case sticker in the box Oh and it has the best documentation...
 

flawedecision

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I still don't agree with you 100%. Even if you never ever leave the command line, administration tools and system configuration are very relevant. And why give advice for users who only use the CLI? I use the CLI a lot, but the GUI makes sense for a lot of apps. 98% of users will want to use X-Windows in some capacity.

I don't use linux for any graphical features. As far as font selection and general eye candy, its difficult to surpass a well configured windows 2000 desktop.

For example, for many years, SuSE is admin'd through CLI yast (and now yast2). yast isn't great, but it was one of the first integrated administration tools for Linux to ship. SuSE also has had an easily-scripted firewall interface to ipchains for a long time as well (this was added only in Red Hat 7.1). And I think SuSE's firewall scripts are still more flexible than RH. Not everybody wants to cook their own ipchains/iptables rules. It's advisable to definitely understand firewall issues, but if you had to cook your own, Linux use would be forever reserved for geeks. And even if you're a geek, why cook your own firewall rules (which might have vulnerabilities) when the distro ships a well-tested one scripted by a qualified engineer?

In my situation I just prefer to use my own that I know I can trust... Didn't 7.0 come with that interface?

Another example is package management. One of the primary reasons people like Debian is apt-get. Until very recently, apt-get (or functional equivalents) is not available on any other distro. I don't use Debian because I need a more compatible distro (with commercially supported apps), but I really wish RPM had an apt-get (I know these features are now being worked on by various OSS developers).

I don't really use many items other than apache, openssh and vi... so I plead ignorance on this debian apt get feature that people seem to enjoy.

So I'm sorry but your opinion is too simplified. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but to extend your opinion, I could say use any Windows OS. They are mostly similar, and accomplish the same work. But like I say in my last post, some OS's in the same family are better than others. Sometimes, they are even vastly different from an end-user standpoint (and not a developer's source code standpoint).

I don't think you can compare the history of windows to the various linux distros on the market. The various windows represent various points in microsofts developmental history. 1.0? to 3.1 to 95 to 98/98se to ME/2k to XP... What would you call red hat and what would you call mandrake? 2k vs. ME? I don't understand the comparison. 2k is light years ahead of ME... 2k is everything NT should have been from the start... 3.1 and XP have nothing in common... I don't see how you can compare microsoft's operating system history to linux distributions.

For example... I can load apache onto any linux distro that I've used and with some customization I can get a very powerful webserver. however, I cannot install IIS or apache on every windows operating system and get the same result.

Apples and oranges really.

 

n0cmonkey

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<< Debian is great for lazy communists. apt and dselect are supposed to be two of the greatest programs out there for upgrading and installing software, but their adherance to the GPL is disturbing. (sure someone will flame me for that ).

While I don't mind being called a lazy red, lord knows I'll never fight with RedHat's packages or compiling with Slack, I must defend Debian's licensing adherence. Debian supports all Free Software licenses, not just GPL but BSD, Artistic, Apache, X, etc. The non-free section is for licenses more restrictive than the GPL not less. Just because you like the fact that MS can use your code without telling anyone doesn't mean we all should =)
>>



Took you long enough.

We have been over that before, and again, these descriptions had the tip of the tongue in cheek. And Im half tempted to format over my slack machine to try out Debian, just dont feel like it yet.
 

Nothinman

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Took you long enough

I was away from any Internet access for a few days during Thanksgiving, it was actually refreshing =)

We have been over that before, and again, these descriptions had the tip of the tongue in cheek

I know, but I don't want people getting the wrong idea about Debian. They're Free Software fanatical, not GPL fanatical.
 

n0cmonkey

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<< Took you long enough

I was away from any Internet access for a few days during Thanksgiving, it was actually refreshing =)
>>



Im jelous



<< We have been over that before, and again, these descriptions had the tip of the tongue in cheek

I know, but I don't want people getting the wrong idea about Debian. They're Free Software fanatical, not GPL fanatical.
>>



How many people on these forums actually take me seriously?
 

Louie1961a

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Ahhhhhh...same old crap. My thingy is bigger than your thingy. IMHO, all of the distros have pros and cons. Try all the free ones (Suse 7.3 is cool, but it is only sort of free, if you have the bandwith and patience for the FTP install). Its like buying a car...drive a few and one will jump out as your favorite for your own reasons. for the most part, they all are built on the same technology. Enjoy, but don't buy into this "you have got to learn how to do everything from the command line" mantra. The command line IS very useful and powerful, but if you can get what you need done through some GUI tool or another, and you are happy with the results, fine. You are not a bad person for doing that.
 

n0cmonkey

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<< Took you long enough

I was away from any Internet access for a few days during Thanksgiving, it was actually refreshing =)

We have been over that before, and again, these descriptions had the tip of the tongue in cheek

I know, but I don't want people getting the wrong idea about Debian. They're Free Software fanatical, not GPL fanatical.
>>



I was thinking about this, and I *REALLY* have no room to talk. OpenBSD is just as fanatical about Open Source as Debian (with a twist of the BSD license)... So I guess Ill shut up now
 

Nothinman

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Enjoy, but don't buy into this "you have got to learn how to do everything from the command line" mantra. The command line IS very useful and powerful, but if you can get what you need done through some GUI tool or another, and you are happy with the results, fine. You are not a bad person for doing that

You're not a bad person but you leave yourself in a bad position, if X breaks. There have been an uncountable number of times when I've been happy to be able to boot up into single user mode and fix a problem.

I was thinking about this, and I *REALLY* have no room to talk. OpenBSD is just as fanatical about Open Source as Debian (with a twist of the BSD license)... So I guess Ill shut up now

I was thinking that, but I just thought you had something against the GPL =)
 

n0cmonkey

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<< Enjoy, but don't buy into this "you have got to learn how to do everything from the command line" mantra. The command line IS very useful and powerful, but if you can get what you need done through some GUI tool or another, and you are happy with the results, fine. You are not a bad person for doing that

You're not a bad person but you leave yourself in a bad position, if X breaks. There have been an uncountable number of times when I've been happy to be able to boot up into single user mode and fix a problem.
>>



But how often does a newbie (let alone an experienced user) have problems? I can count the number of times I have had problems with my system this week on one hand. Barely, but I can

Anyhow, knowing CLI is the way to go. Using GUI tools over the cli is not a bad thing, but its not for me.



<< I was thinking about this, and I *REALLY* have no room to talk. OpenBSD is just as fanatical about Open Source as Debian (with a twist of the BSD license)... So I guess Ill shut up now

I was thinking that, but I just thought you had something against the GPL =)
>>



I do, but not enough of a problem to not use GPLed software.
 

bevancoleman

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Slackware is my choice. Since everyone else is getting stuck in politics and your choice of dist I'll get you my run down. IMHO of course

Slackware 8
My choice, complies to standards well, very stable with very few security holes.
Can be a bit of a b**ch to setup due to a lack of config tools (this isn't always a bad thing, at least you know what is happening, see RH)

RedHat 7.2
Installs easy with a nice graphical install routine. Detected everything and installed drivers. Everything seem to hold together well.

However on the bad side.
* The default compiler SUXS, various extras I tried to install wouldn't compile and one told me where to stick it (MPlayer). They do include a more compatiable v3 compiler which does work however (though it does need a bit of tinkering for many packages)
* It installed XFree86 4.1 with an XFree 3.x server and didn't tell me. I spent ages tring to workout why is was lacking heaps of features and was so slow.
* RH also puts log in funny places under odd names.

Mandrake 7.0
Probably one of the better looking dists, but it was a bit unstable and buggy (though this is a couple of versions ago, so it should be fixed).

Debian
Never really got into it.

Even though RH is anoying me at the moment, I would still recomend it for it's ease of install and support.

 

thornc

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...Well, I'd say any beginner will be well suited with either RedHat or Mandrake! SuSe is good also
if you are willing to spend the cash!!

My favorite linux is nontheless LinuxFromScratch LFS rulez!!!

 

bevancoleman

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<< ...Well, I'd say any beginner will be well suited with either RedHat or Mandrake! SuSe is good also
if you are willing to spend the cash!!

My favorite linux is nontheless LinuxFromScratch LFS rulez!!!
>>


LFS might be a bit hard for a beginer Though it is a interesting way of building a Linux dist.
 

Prancer

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I just downloaded and installed FreeBSD. For learning purposes, they all pretty much to the same. What's the difference b/w Win95, 98, NT, 2000, XP, & ME when you're trying to be familiar with dragging your mouse and clicking buttons? The same concept applies here. If you wanna learn linux, they all do the same thing. Just pick one, install it, and play with it.

Can't make up your mind? Get Red Hat 7.2. Or Mandrake. Or Suse. The list goes on and on. Ha Ha...

 

nortexoid

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from what i've read, SUSE 7.3 has some killer hardware detection setup...mandrake 8.1 is close...

as for flaw's initial statement - he's mostly right....most users commenting strongly on one or the other for generic use is the wannabe unix h4x0r with too much free time on his hands...
 

Koreanian

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<< Mandrake is good for pretty pictures. It tries to keep you from learning linux.
RedHat is good to get PHB's to let you install it.
Slackware has no faults except the fact it is linux. It is pretty much good for servers and those types of things, but can be used on a desktop with more work. It is the UNIX user's linux.
Debian is great for lazy communists. apt and dselect are supposed to be two of the greatest programs out there for upgrading and installing software, but their adherance to the GPL is disturbing. (sure someone will flame me for that ).
SuSE is another distribution that the PHBs might take a look at, if you are in europe
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Hey... It does have pretty pictures.. However.. If you are really interested in linux then it doesn't matter.
I just bought RedHat 7.2 haven't tried it yet.. Still playing around with Mandrake 8.0 <--- me has dial up.. save myself time to just buy cd's...


 

n0cmonkey

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<<

<< Mandrake is good for pretty pictures. It tries to keep you from learning linux.
RedHat is good to get PHB's to let you install it.
Slackware has no faults except the fact it is linux. It is pretty much good for servers and those types of things, but can be used on a desktop with more work. It is the UNIX user's linux.
Debian is great for lazy communists. apt and dselect are supposed to be two of the greatest programs out there for upgrading and installing software, but their adherance to the GPL is disturbing. (sure someone will flame me for that ).
SuSE is another distribution that the PHBs might take a look at, if you are in europe
>>



Hey... It does have pretty pictures.. However.. If you are really interested in linux then it doesn't matter.
I just bought RedHat 7.2 haven't tried it yet.. Still playing around with Mandrake 8.0 <--- me has dial up.. save myself time to just buy cd's...
>>



Its not a bad distro most of the time. Although there have been issues with 8.1. And with all of the little "tools" it gives you, it is trying to keep you from learning too much. You can work around it, but you shouldnt have to.
 

Elledan

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<< Slackware has no faults except the fact it is linux. >>


Okay, I'm offended now. Really

I just downloaded Slackware 8.0 and I'm waiting for my new burner to arrive so that I can install it on my second rig. It'll be kinda refreshing to configure the system without lots of little tools to assist you.
 

n0cmonkey

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<<

<< Slackware has no faults except the fact it is linux. >>


Okay, I'm offended now. Really

I just downloaded Slackware 8.0 and I'm waiting for my new burner to arrive so that I can install it on my second rig. It'll be kinda refreshing to configure the system without lots of little tools to assist you.
>>



I have Slack 8 installed on one machine now and its great. Im only going to try out Debian so I can use apt-get and whatnot and not have to worry about so many friggin dependancies
 
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