Which Military Branch gets deployed first in a war

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soonerproud

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Originally posted by: her209
The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was rescinded and replaced with the War Powers Resolution of 1973.

§ 1541. Purpose and policy

(a) Congressional declaration
It is the purpose of this chapter to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations.

(b) Congressional legislative power under necessary and proper clause
Under article I, section 8, of the Constitution, it is specifically provided that the Congress shall have the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution, not only its own powers but also all other powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer hereof.

(c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation
The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to
(1) a declaration of war,
(2) specific statutory authorization, or
(3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

I.e., the President cannot do anything without Congress' approval.

There is some debate as to the legality of The War Powers Act. All Presidents from Nixon until now have reserved the right to ignore and challenge TWPA on Constitutional grounds.

It has always been true that the President cannot do anything without Congressional approval since Congress controls the purse stings. As long as the action does not bust the current budget or that Congress does not rescind it, the President has free reign to use the Military at his discretion with out seeking Congressional approval first.

As long as there is discretionary spending money in the budget, the President already has Congressional approval to act until he/she needs more money to continue the operation.

 

nick1985

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Originally posted by: savoyboy
Originally posted by: nick1985
Not to rain on your rant, but to answer your question...yes Marines do care (from what Ive seen). Look on some Marine Corps message boards.

Carry on.

marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines

Scroll up, at least be original. But then again, I wouldnt expect and illegal immigrant trying to get a job at Burger King to know any better.
 

Vonkhan

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I am well aware that there are recognoscense platoons in every branch but what you do

"reconnaissance" -> recon

An Enlishman butchering English ...

 

dug777

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Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: savoyboy
Originally posted by: nick1985
Not to rain on your rant, but to answer your question...yes Marines do care (from what Ive seen). Look on some Marine Corps message boards.

Carry on.

marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines marines

Scroll up, at least be original.

Who cares?

As has been noted by myself and others much more superbad, the CIA should be in there first, and probably started it.

M/marinesnore
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: Vonkhan
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I am well aware that there are recognoscense platoons in every branch but what you do

"reconnaissance" -> recon

An Enlishman butchering English ...

Enlishman?
 
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Well technically, the Marines are their BEFORE the war is official. As they are the only ones the President can send in for a specified period of time without declaring war.
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Well technically, the Marines are their BEFORE the war is official. As they are the only ones the President can send in for a specified period of time without declaring war.

What about your equivalent of the SAS?
 

rh71

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I've learned so much in this thread, plus I learned a little about the military too.
 

FlashG

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I imagine if we in a real bar instead of ATOT we all would be taking bets on an Inter Service brawl.
 

AndrewR

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Easy question. If you're talking all services, it's the Air Force. Aircraft are faster than ships (and bombers reach anywhere). If you're talking just Army or Marines, it's the Marines because they have units ready to go around the world (sure, you have the XVIII Airborne Corps, but MEUs are the only ones with heavy armor that can arrive quickly).

I suppose it depends on how quickly the equipment in a prepositioned ship can be readied, and I have no idea what the answer to that question is.

Also remember that if you say Airborne goes in first, they have to be riding in Air Force aircraft.
 

preslove

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Well technically, the Marines are their BEFORE the war is official. As they are the only ones the President can send in for a specified period of time without declaring war.

Could some one tell me where people getting this little bit of idiocy? For all you people clinging to this piece of misinformation, WE DID NOT DECLARE WAR ON IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN! Yet, every branch has been used in those 'conflicts.' The President is the Commander in Chief & Congress only has limited oversight over his decisions in this role. This is one reason the term "Imperial Presidency" has been used to describe the position since WWII.

Prior to that war & the Cold War, Congress had a lot more authority over the President in terms of his use of the military. This was because the military was small & any real military action would require more funds from Congress to pay for things like extra food, transportation of troops, training additional troops. Thus, Congress's control of the "purse strings" proved to be the most effective limit on The Commander in Chief. The War Powers Clause isn't really effective because a President can use the military WITHOUT DECLARING WAR!

With the huge expansion of the military industrial complex following the second world war and during the Cold War the Presidency gained a much bigger military to work with, giving it much more leeway in how to use it. The Constitution's limits on presidential military authority was made obsolete because of this. The War Powers Resolution was an attempt to curtail the types of abuses displayed by the Nixon and Kennedy/Johnson administrations in Vietnam, but it has proven extremely ineffective.

The ignorance of many American citizens display in regards to their government is shocking.
 

Ackmed

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Marines are the only ones who the pres can deploy without any congress approval.

JohnOfSheffield, fyi, Marines are always capitalized. Again, the only branch that is.
 

Toasthead

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I would think that by the time we go to war the Marines are ALREADY in there somewhat.

 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Well technically, the Marines are their BEFORE the war is official. As they are the only ones the President can send in for a specified period of time without declaring war.

Why do you people keep speaking of something you are so clearly wrong on. POTUS has the authority to send any branch at any time into combat for any reason. It is clearly stated POTUS is commander in chief of the armed forces in the constitution. No where does it give congress the power to micro manage military affairs. Congress only has power over the purse strings. A declaration of war gives POTUS a blank check and greatly extends his ability to use the military as he sees fit. With a modern standing military and discretionary spending in the budget the need for a declaration of war for POTUS to act is greatly reduced.

Show me where it says in the Constitution that POTUS can only send in the Marines for a specific period of time? Even The War Powers Act does not put that restriction on POTUS. (The War Powers Act is unconstitutional and has been ignored by all US Presidents since it was enacted.)

The CIA was actually the first on the ground in both Iraq and Afghanistan doing recon for the Pentagon. This is not the first time the CIA has been used for early recon. (Yes, the CIA has a military wing.)
 
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