Which One? 480/560/448/7850 (Templated)

[Jaydip]

OpenCl is an API and u can port cuda apps to opencl.Cuda has very fast run time performance,easy to use API,solid support,plugin to VS(OpenCl may have this feature as well) to name a few of its advantages.The Knights Corner is going to leverage the power of x86 instruction set,the existing applications needs to be recompiled with –mmic flag.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

1. You're ignoring the fact that it's job openings, and each month there are more of them for CUDA than OpenCL, it's not listing total jobs, it's listing who is hiring for what and CUDA has more opportunities each month than OpenCL.

There is no "trend" at least none which I can see, do you have the updated one from 2010 to 2012? That would actually provide some information, looking for total jobs and now hiring as well.

Who cares what C#,C++, Java are doing? We're talking about a single persons needs here, not whatever angle you can come up with to take away from the advantages Nvidia offers.

2. Thats what he said, any pot shots taken towards Nvidia driving GPGPU and CUDA was unnecessary, as is this conversation then.

3. Opinion, you can have yours, I'll keep mine.

4. And we're back at Nvidia supporting both CUDA and OpenCL, there is no advantage in this case for AMD since it supports only half of the options listed while Nvidia supports 100% of them.

 

[Keysplayr]

1. Proof? Especially since it directly contradicts the above graph which says there's approximately the same number of listings. You're also ignoring the obvious trend. I'll skip over the usage of "programming language", these are really frameworks, and we did include languages, any of C#, C++, Java would put Cuda/OpenCL to shame.
2. Nowhere did I mention which brand to buy. If he needs CUDA now for his current work -> buy 560 Ti.
3. It's superior, but 'vastly' is a gross exaggeration. And it's not all metrics/features, how about fall-back to CPU? There are some pros and cons for both.
4. You will still need some way to exploit the very wide SIMD and all those cores. OpenCL is probably the best way to do it since it can also use other devices, mainly GPUs, not just nVidia/AMD, as Intel makes GPUs too.

1. Your example probably just focuses on Feb 2012 where OpenCL rises and CUDA falls at that particular point. That happens a few times throughout the graph but look at the overall CUDA line compared to OpenCL line. You're not going to sit there and tell us it's even are ya? Cause that would insult our intelligence, I think .

2. Good advice

3. Superior is superior. Exaggerated or not, doesn't change it nor should it bother you.

4. This differentiates the products in what way? Strawman? Dunno.

 

[Juncar]

If you want to buy GTX 560 Ti with 448 cores, I recommend either MSI Twin Frozr III or EVGA Classified version. Those two have the best power phases. I have the EVGA Classified version and it over clocks very well.
As for the VRAM, I don't think there is much difference between 1.25 GB and 1.5 GB. I play skyrim and BF3 fine on highest setting for 1080p.

 

[SickBeast]

The vram will matter in the future.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

They said that in 2010, the 5870 was fine and still is for 1080p.

 

[Jaydip]

It depends SB.It will probably matter when we will get next gen of consoles but until then nah.I think ,we still use crysis a 5 year old game in benches should tell u something.

 

[iCyborg]

1. You're ignoring the fact that it's job openings, and each month there are more of them for CUDA than OpenCL, it's not listing total jobs, it's listing who is hiring for what and CUDA has more opportunities each month than OpenCL.

2. There is no "trend" at least none which I can see, do you have the updated one from 2010 to 2012? That would actually provide some information, looking for total jobs and now hiring as well.

3. Who cares what C#,C++, Java are doing? We're talking about a single persons needs here, not whatever angle you can come up with to take away from the advantages Nvidia offers.

4. Thats what he said, any pot shots taken towards Nvidia driving GPGPU and CUDA was unnecessary, as is this conversation then.

5. Opinion, you can have yours, I'll keep mine.

6. And we're back at Nvidia supporting both CUDA and OpenCL, there is no advantage in this case for AMD since it supports only half of the options listed while Nvidia supports 100% of them.

1. It may be so, but this doesn't represent proof or any kind of evidence. What data do you base this conclusion on?

2. Even if you don't see the green line going up, and blue staying the same, it was summarized below: 85% increase for OpenCL, 6% decrease for Cuda. Trend has a meaning in time series analysis, I was using it in that meaning.
What updated graph from 2010 to 2012, the graph goes from Aug 1 2010 to Feb 29 2012?

3. You were the one who mentioned programming languages first, those are programming languages, OpenCL and Cuda are frameworks, there's a difference. That's all, I'm not nit-picking as I gave an answer to what you probably meant as well.

4. Well, that paragraph was clearly addressed "@ The guy quoting trends", which was me...

5. A statement that OpenCL can use a much wider set of platforms is not an opinion, it's a fact, so there's one feature/metric in which Cuda is not "vastly superior".

6. This would be true if the GPUs were identical in all other aspects. But if you're going to pay more attention to OpenCL, then AMD becomes an option. The cheapest 560 Ti 448 I found in Canada is $240 + shipping and only after $30 rebate, and 7850 for $232 + free shipping. That's about $20 difference after tax. I'd think about it in this instance, 7850 does have some advantages...

 

[iCyborg]

1. Your example probably just focuses on Feb 2012 where OpenCL rises and CUDA falls at that particular point. That happens a few times throughout the graph but look at the overall CUDA line compared to OpenCL line. You're not going to sit there and tell us it's even are ya? Cause that would insult our intelligence, I think .

2. Good advice

3. Superior is superior. Exaggerated or not, doesn't change it nor should it bother you.

4. This differentiates the products in what way? Strawman? Dunno.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trend_estimation
Yes, they rise and fall, but one of them has a mathematically defined trend over the last 1.5 years.

4. The "products" I'm talking about here are OpenCL and Cuda. One of them will run on Knights Corner and will be one of the main developing frameworks. The other one will not run at all. That's a differentiation.

 

[Arzachel]

Why is this even being discussed, the op has a spare 9500GT to use for CUDA anyway. The GTX 480 is great for the price if you don't mind the heat/noise and slightly lower performance, and the 7850 is great for less heat/noise and more performance at a slight premium.

 

[Jaydip]

9500 GT has Compute capability of 1.x.If OP needs a card with Compute capability of 2.x or higher he needs to buy 480 or 560.

 

[lOl_lol_lOl]

Thanks everyone for the input. After briefing and research on OpenCl and CUDA it seems that CUDA is the better route in my condition. And I can deter purchase of a CUDA GPU till October, which means I can wait for Kepler's mid range.

I went with the 7850 for the perf/OC. I have no regrets, its only money. Now to RMA that 6950, sell it and start saving for a proper Kepler GPU.

Thanks again everyone.

 

[RavenSEAL]

Thanks everyone for the input. After briefing and research on OpenCl and CUDA it seems that CUDA is the better route in my condition. And I can deter purchase of a CUDA GPU till October, which means I can wait for Kepler's mid range.

I went with the 7850 for the perf/OC. I have no regrets, its only money. Now to RMA that 6950, sell it and start saving for a proper Kepler GPU.

Thanks again everyone.

Nice choice, enjoy :thumbsup: