Which power supply?

MrPabulum

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Hooookay,

So my friend is building a new pc, and its going to include the following components:

Core 2 Duo E6600 (2.4)
Asus MB
2GB Mushkin Redline PC8000
BFG 7950 GX2 1GB
2 HDs (160, 200 and 250)

Now, we need a power supply for this rig. One consideration was the Enermax Galaxy 850/1000wt. The other was PC Power Cooling's Turbo-Cool 1K-Quad. Bear in mind that he plans to overclock the heck out of the CPU (3.0-3.2Ghz). Is the PC Power Cooling worth the additional expense? Suggestions and advice always welcome. Thanks!
 

bob4432

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Sep 6, 2003
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imo i doubt you need anything over a good, efficient 500-600W. the conroe is suppose to be more efficient, thus less V to get to a higher o/c. ddr2 takes less V too. the gpu will take some power. maybe i am wrong but i think a lot of people need more power than they really do or are use to buying sh!tty psu that really don't put out anything near what they claim
 

Crescent13

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Originally posted by: MrPabulum
Hooookay,

So my friend is building a new pc, and its going to include the following components:

Core 2 Duo E6600 (2.4)
Asus MB
2GB Mushkin Redline PC8000
BFG 7950 GX2 1GB
2 HDs (160, 200 and 250)

Now, we need a power supply for this rig. One consideration was the Enermax Galaxy 850/1000wt. The other was PC Power Cooling's Turbo-Cool 1K-Quad. Bear in mind that he plans to overclock the heck out of the CPU (3.0-3.2Ghz). Is the PC Power Cooling worth the additional expense? Suggestions and advice always welcome. Thanks!


Bahahaha I just laughed and laughed when you said "overclock the heck out of the cpu" then "3.0GHz". You do know that on the asus P5wDH Deluxe (most likely what he's getting) you can get 4.1Ghz on air no problem right?

on the psu note, I think a 600W Enermax Liberty would be fine.
 

acegazda

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600w seasonic s12
600w enermax liberty
600w fortron epsilon/gamerxstream
(they are the same thing, although the OCZ is cheaper... go figure)
All these psu's have efficaincies above 80% and have superior build quality. The enermax is modular, which is a good thing and a bad thing, but it is the best modular out there, and the cables are nice, IMO. Trust me, you don't need to take out a loan for a pcp&c for this rig.
The max fsb on the p5dwd deluxe is 400mhz. If he doesn't touch the multiplier, that's 4ghz right there! With water cooling, you might approach 4.5ghz.

PS. What's the budget for this rig?
 

max8899

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Jul 24, 2006
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I would like to know which one is better too. PC Power & Cooling 1kw or Enermax Galaxy 1000w... I am listing both feature and specification below from manufacture's website.

PC Power & Cooling
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TURBO-COOL® 1KW
Developed to power next-gen graphics and quad CPU servers, the Turbo-Cool® 1KW delivers 1000 watts (one kilowatt) of continuous, rock-solid power with a peak of 1100 watts! Built with three independent AC-DC power modules, the Turbo-Cool® 1KW is an efficient, amazingly quiet, EPS12V/SLI power supply with 66A (70A peak) of 12VDC in a form factor that fits most ATX cases. Truly, the ultimate computer power supply!
* 1KW Continuous (1.1KW Peak) @ 50°C
* Fits Std. ATX Cases (20? min. depth)
* +12VDC Rails Total 66A (70A Peak)
* High Efficiency with .99 Power Factor
* Rock-Solid, Super-Clean DC Output
* Amazingly Quiet Cooling System
* Dual PCI Express Video Connectors
* 15 Drive Connectors (incl. 6 SATA)
* EPS12V and nVidia SLI certified
* 5-Year Warranty; Unbeatable Support
AC Input
Operating Range: 90-264 VAC
.99 power factor
Frequency: 47-63Hz
Current: 15A @ 115V
Efficiency: 83%
EMI: FCC-B, CE
DC Output
Output: +5V @ 30A
+12V1 @ 18A (CPU)
+12V2 @ 18A (CPU)
+12V3@ 36A (Graphics, Drives)
+12V1,V2,V3 = 66A (70A pk.)
-12V @ 0.8A
+3.3V @ 30A
+5VSB @ 3.5A
continuous = 1000W
peak = 1100W
Regulation: 2% (+3.3V, +5V, +12V)
5% (-12V)
Ripple: 1% (p-p)
Hold Time: 24ms
PG Delay: 300ms
Safety
OV Protection: +3.3V, +5V, +12V
OC Protection: +3.3V, +5V, ±12V
Agency Approval: UL/ULC/CE/TUV
Environmental
Temperature: 0° - 50°C
Humidity: 10% - 90% RH
Fan Type: 30 - 52 CFM ball-bearing
Noise: 32 - 40dB(A)
Miscellaneous
Compatibility: EPS12V and nVidia SLI
M/B Connectors: 24-pin, dual 8-pin, 4-pin, dual 6-pin video
See Diagram : View Adapters
Drive Connectors: 15 (6 SATA, 8 Molex, 1 mini)
MTBF: 120,000 hours
M/B Compatibility: See List
Dimensions/Harness: See Diagram
Warranty: 5 Years

*source : http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/viewproduct.php?show=TC1KW&view=about


Enermax
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Galaxy 1kw

smart fan function:
The Smart Fan technology was developed by the folks at Enermax to protect your investment. After your system shutdown, the two ball bearring fans continue to run for another 2 mins to cool off your power supply and components . It also has a heat sensor that will allow the fans to run for more then 2 mins if the temp is greater then 40c after the 2 min. This will greatly increase the life your power supply and components.

five +12V Rails:
Independent 12V rails supply to MB/CPU and drives in order to provide stable and clean current to noise-sensitive devices, such as: CPU, add-on cards.Meet UL 240VA safety requirements. It also separate the motherboard rails and video card rails to ensure maximum power to your PCI Express video card.

high efficiency (85%):
High efficiency is achieve by using using high quality components and the skills of our designer to maximizes your power supply output and minimize wasted power. Efficiency is the measure of how much of the 100% power going in to the PSU is being used up and the unused power dissipate into heat through the heatsink. Lower efficiency means that more power is being wasted and also the PSU will generate more heat. .

quad GPU support:
Five individual +12V Rails allows the power to support up to 4 PCI E graphic cards.

Power Guard:
The PowerGuard uses LED light and internal buzzer to indicate current power supply status. Under abnormal situation, the PowerGuard will turn off the power supply to protect your system.

*since i can't have enerma 1kw specification paste here.. help yourself by going to their site =p
**source http://www.enermaxusa.com/catalog/produ...sCsid=7896fac1afb5b7e3be4e68b0833c148d
 

max8899

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Jul 24, 2006
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forgot to mention the price...

TURBO-COOL® 1KW : $474 (from newegg.com)
Galaxy 1kw : $339 (from directron.com ; frozencpu.com newegg dont have it )
 

Blain

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: MrPabulum
So for my friend's uber-rig...

Is the PC Power Cooling worth the additional expense? Suggestions and advice always welcome.
The very fact that it's an "UBER-RIG says "Yes, it's worth ANY additional expense". :laugh: Or just maybe your friend's rig isn't going to be so "UBER" after all.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Originally posted by: Howard
Zippy PSL-6701P if noise isn't too big of a deal.

The 6701 has 12V@36A and 5V@50A. Yikes!! Uber-server 5V rail.

The PSM-6600P has 12V1@26A, 12V2@20A with combined at 40A. The 5V & 3.3V is a more realistic 30A each.
http://www.buildtoorderservers.com/ has it in stock for $199=killer price if you want one.
Wiring it up will not be a cake walk but not hard to do anywho.

Take the 6701 off the list Howard.



...Galvanized
 

bob4432

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Sep 6, 2003
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Originally posted by: max8899
forgot to mention the price...

TURBO-COOL® 1KW : $474 (from newegg.com)
Galaxy 1kw : $339 (from directron.com ; frozencpu.com newegg dont have it )

most people are probably not going to give you an answer because you need to find some other independent testing other than toms for these units. plus the fact that you never even said your pc requirements may lead people to believe you are just wasting their time as i have seen quad pc/sli machines run on less than this much power. maybe you should also add your pc hardware that require this much power to people take you more seriously.

also that you are new here may lead people to think that you are just pulling others legs because i have yet to see anything that a normal "power user" build really need more than 600W of good clean power.

 

MrPabulum

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Originally posted by: bob4432
Originally posted by: max8899
forgot to mention the price...

TURBO-COOL® 1KW : $474 (from newegg.com)
Galaxy 1kw : $339 (from directron.com ; frozencpu.com newegg dont have it )

most people are probably not going to give you an answer because you need to find some other independent testing other than toms for these units. plus the fact that you never even said your pc requirements may lead people to believe you are just wasting their time as i have seen quad pc/sli machines run on less than this much power. maybe you should also add your pc hardware that require this much power to people take you more seriously.

also that you are new here may lead people to think that you are just pulling others legs because i have yet to see anything that a normal "power user" build really need more than 600W of good clean power.


At well over 2,000 posts, I would not regard myself as new. My friend has already purchased the memory and the video, so this is far from a phantom creation. Let me then rephrase the question for those less...snippy: if it comes down to either an Enermax or PC Power Cooling unit, is the latter truly worth the additional expense?
 

MrPabulum

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Originally posted by: Blain
Originally posted by: MrPabulum
So for my friend's uber-rig...

Is the PC Power Cooling worth the additional expense? Suggestions and advice always welcome.
The very fact that it's an "UBER-RIG says "Yes, it's worth ANY additional expense". :laugh: Or just maybe your friend's rig isn't going to be so "UBER" after all.

Heh...all that is left is to define 'uber'. To the author of the last post, its not so much power as it is quality under continuous stress. And according to some, the E6600 should be overclocked to 3.5 and higher. Is PC Power Cooling a better quality PS? Is a three year warranty sufficient, or is having five worth the additional cost?
 

bob4432

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Sep 6, 2003
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Originally posted by: MrPabulum
Originally posted by: bob4432
Originally posted by: max8899
forgot to mention the price...

TURBO-COOL® 1KW : $474 (from newegg.com)
Galaxy 1kw : $339 (from directron.com ; frozencpu.com newegg dont have it )

most people are probably not going to give you an answer because you need to find some other independent testing other than toms for these units. plus the fact that you never even said your pc requirements may lead people to believe you are just wasting their time as i have seen quad pc/sli machines run on less than this much power. maybe you should also add your pc hardware that require this much power to people take you more seriously.

also that you are new here may lead people to think that you are just pulling others legs because i have yet to see anything that a normal "power user" build really need more than 600W of good clean power.


At well over 2,000 posts, I would not regard myself as new. My friend has already purchased the memory and the video, so this is far from a phantom creation. Let me then rephrase the question for those less...snippy: if it comes down to either an Enermax or PC Power Cooling unit, is the latter truly worth the additional expense?

MrPabulum i was not referring to you. i was referring to the person i quoted - max8899 who has 8 posts.
 

MrPabulum

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Originally posted by: bob4432
Originally posted by: MrPabulum
Originally posted by: bob4432
Originally posted by: max8899
forgot to mention the price...

TURBO-COOL® 1KW : $474 (from newegg.com)
Galaxy 1kw : $339 (from directron.com ; frozencpu.com newegg dont have it )

most people are probably not going to give you an answer because you need to find some other independent testing other than toms for these units. plus the fact that you never even said your pc requirements may lead people to believe you are just wasting their time as i have seen quad pc/sli machines run on less than this much power. maybe you should also add your pc hardware that require this much power to people take you more seriously.

also that you are new here may lead people to think that you are just pulling others legs because i have yet to see anything that a normal "power user" build really need more than 600W of good clean power.


At well over 2,000 posts, I would not regard myself as new. My friend has already purchased the memory and the video, so this is far from a phantom creation. Let me then rephrase the question for those less...snippy: if it comes down to either an Enermax or PC Power Cooling unit, is the latter truly worth the additional expense?

MrPabulum i was not referring to you. i was referring to the person i quoted - max8899 who has 8 posts.

Well, I feel sheepish. I didn't read your post correctly. My apologies to Bob.
 

hoihtah

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at work, we use zippy exclusively for all servers.

on the consumer end, it's not well known brand...
at least, i've never heard of them until i started working here.

but on the server market, it's the name to know.
it stays very cool compared to other psus that we've tested.

also, on a side note...
why do you need that much power for your rig?
it's a complete waste if you ask me.
it's not about how much wattage your psu an deliver.
it's all about how clean/efficient it is.

i bet your rig won't pull more than 3.5 amp at peak... (that's 420w@120v at max!)
i'd suggest somewhere around 500w psu for your rig.
 

bob4432

Lifer
Sep 6, 2003
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Originally posted by: MrPabulum
Originally posted by: bob4432
Originally posted by: MrPabulum
Originally posted by: bob4432
Originally posted by: max8899
forgot to mention the price...

TURBO-COOL® 1KW : $474 (from newegg.com)
Galaxy 1kw : $339 (from directron.com ; frozencpu.com newegg dont have it )

most people are probably not going to give you an answer because you need to find some other independent testing other than toms for these units. plus the fact that you never even said your pc requirements may lead people to believe you are just wasting their time as i have seen quad pc/sli machines run on less than this much power. maybe you should also add your pc hardware that require this much power to people take you more seriously.

also that you are new here may lead people to think that you are just pulling others legs because i have yet to see anything that a normal "power user" build really need more than 600W of good clean power.


At well over 2,000 posts, I would not regard myself as new. My friend has already purchased the memory and the video, so this is far from a phantom creation. Let me then rephrase the question for those less...snippy: if it comes down to either an Enermax or PC Power Cooling unit, is the latter truly worth the additional expense?

MrPabulum i was not referring to you. i was referring to the person i quoted - max8899 who has 8 posts.

Well, I feel sheepish. I didn't read your post correctly. My apologies to Bob.

no probs
 

MrPabulum

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Let me also say..he may want to add another 7950 GX2 in the future, possibly a year. And I agree with Hoihtah - its all about clean/efficient power. That's what drew me to PC Power & Cooling years ago (Turbo-Cool 300 was awesome...i still have it). It doesn't necessarily have to be 1KW; it could be 700-850. If he wants to do two 7950 GX2s, does he need the quad cable hookup as seen in the PCP&C 1KW?
 

Operandi

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Originally posted by: MrPabulum
Let me also say..he may want to add another 7950 GX2 in the future, possibly a year. And I agree with Hoihtah - its all about clean/efficient power. That's what drew me to PC Power & Cooling years ago (Turbo-Cool 300 was awesome...i still have it). It doesn't necessarily have to be 1KW; it could be 700-850. If he wants to do two 7950 GX2s, does he need the quad cable hookup as seen in the PCP&C 1KW?
Nothing about that system requires an 850-1000 watt PSU. If it was just the single 7950 and no overclocking I would suggest a good 350-400 watt Seasonic, or Forton-Source. Considering the 2nd 7950 and the possibility of aggressive overclocking I would suggest the 500-600 watt Seasonic S12.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Originally posted by: Howard
Zippy PSL-6701P if noise isn't too big of a deal.

The 6701 has 12V@36A and 5V@50A. Yikes!! Uber-server 5V rail.
...Galvanized
No it doesn't.

http://overclockers.com/articles1313/index02.asp
Zippy specs

I still stand by my suggestion. MrPabulum, you can use 4-pin-to-PCIe adapters for PSUs with only 2 PCIe connectors.

O-Tay, I was looking at the wrong spec chart. I sit well corrected

...Galvanized

 
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