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kogase

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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: mwtgg
It's not "believing in nothing". Saying that presumes that the theists are correct. "Oh well you have to believe in something if I do!" It's extremely faulty logic. There is no belief involved in saying there is no god.

Okay, prove to me there's no God. If you can't, but still say there is none, you have faith.

No, theists made the assertion. It's up to them to prove it.

But if you say without a shadow of a doubt that it doesn't exist, you have to prove that as well.
 

mwtgg

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: mwtgg
It's not "believing in nothing". Saying that presumes that the theists are correct. "Oh well you have to believe in something if I do!" It's extremely faulty logic. There is no belief involved in saying there is no god.

Okay, prove to me there's no God. If you can't, but still say there is none, you have faith.

No, theists made the assertion. It's up to them to prove it.

But if you say without a shadow of a doubt that it doesn't exist, you have to prove that as well.

Why should someone be forced to disprove a claim that can't even be validated by those who make it?
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Why should someone be forced to disprove a claim that can't even be validated by those who make it?

No one's forcing you. But if you want to make the statement that God does not exist, you have to prove it.
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Why should someone be forced to disprove a claim that can't even be validated by those who make it?

No one's forcing you. But if you want to make the statement that God does not exist, you have to prove it.

Easily proved.

Children are raped every day. Any being capable of stopping such actions would. Since those actions occur anyway, it's clear that there is no God. Or, alternately, that Jesus is a pedophile.
 

TBone48

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Non-denominational Christian who wishes he took advanced math so I could understand wtf those braniacs are talking about.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Easily proved.

Children are raped every day. Any being capable of stopping such actions would. Since those actions occur anyway, it's clear that there is no God. Or, alternately, that Jesus is a pedophile.

OMG, call the President of Christianity right now!
 

mwtgg

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Why should someone be forced to disprove a claim that can't even be validated by those who make it?

No one's forcing you. But if you want to make the statement that God does not exist, you have to prove it.

Ok, argue with my diction, not my content. Nice tactics.

I'm saying, how can I prove there is no God when you can't even prove there is one? Theists made the claim first, back it up.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Why should someone be forced to disprove a claim that can't even be validated by those who make it?

No one's forcing you. But if you want to make the statement that God does not exist, you have to prove it.

Ok, argue with my diction, not my content. Nice tactics.

I'm saying, how can I prove there is no God when you can't even prove there is one? Theists made the claim first, back it up.

Exactly. You can't prove there is no God. Hence my other comment in this thread about (at least in the context of God) being unable to "prove a negative".
 

mwtgg

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Why should someone be forced to disprove a claim that can't even be validated by those who make it?

No one's forcing you. But if you want to make the statement that God does not exist, you have to prove it.

Ok, argue with my diction, not my content. Nice tactics.

I'm saying, how can I prove there is no God when you can't even prove there is one? Theists made the claim first, back it up.

Exactly. You can't prove there is no God. Hence my other comment in this thread about (at least in the context of God) being unable to "prove a negative".

But it's not up to the atheists to prove anything. Are you stupid or do you just play it on the internet?
 

RallyMaster

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Agnostic. Used to be atheist but then I had some sort of a revelation and decided that faith helps the needy and unfortunate by giving emotional support. Etc etc.
 

oddyager

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I don't follow a religion (unless you count chocolate). I follow philosophies... though I suppose that could be loosley defined as a religion but it isn't!
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: mwtgg
But it's not up to the atheists to prove anything. Are you stupid or do you just play it on the internet?

Nobody is asking you to prove anything. I'm just saying you can't, and therefore can't make the proclomation that there is no God.
 

mwtgg

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: mwtgg
But it's not up to the atheists to prove anything. Are you stupid or do you just play it on the internet?

Nobody is asking you to prove anything. I'm just saying you can't, and therefore can't make the proclomation that there is no God.

Ok, why do I bother? Honestly. Why? Are you intentionally being dense or what?
 

Reckoner

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I have a feeling that a lot of the so-called Atheists on this board, will turn to God at their final hours when their long journey finally comes to an end.
 

SuepaFly

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What about non-denominational Christianity? I believe in God, but I don't really subscribe to any particular historical interpretation? (ie Protestants are Christians that subscribe to the interpretations of Martin Luther)...

PS - I read once that atheist do believe in a supreme power, themselves, thus it is considered a religion.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Ok, why do I bother? Honestly. Why? Are you intentionally being dense or what?

Acknowledging that you can't prove the nonexistance of God does not mean you are saying there is proof of God's existance. It's saying there might be a God but you just can't know. I don't believe there is a Christian God. It seems obvious to me that it was made up by ignorant tribespeople thousands of years ago. But because I can't prove the nonexistance of God, I accept the fact that he could indeed exist.
 
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