Which sportbike is good?

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sze5003

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On a hot summer day, how do you manage to keep cool with all the gear on?

My jacket is a Joe rocket 4.0 with the armor inserts on the back, shoulders and elbows. It's waterproof and has zippers you can open up to let air in. It's textile and mesh underneath. Also has a lining you can take out when it's not going to rain.

The overpants I bought on eBay for $40 bucks. Also textile with ce knee inserts. It's not as hot surprisingly wearing them over jeans. They are quite baggy and I found out it's better to let them flow down to my feet rather than curl up the end parts of the legs. This way the area where you fold them to curl them up won't get caught on stuff.

My gloves are leather and mesh with small knucle bumpers.

I haven't rode in some time this season since my sv's shifter likes to come loose while I ride. Found myself trying to shift to first and didn't find a shifter only to look down and see it dangling. I hate how the second gen sv shifters are just screwed in with no washer on the other side of the bolt.

I bought some loctite blue to put on the head of the screw when I go to tighten it up next time I ride.

It gets hot but not too hot for me. I usually ride after work when traffic is lower and the sun is about to go down.

This is the jacket I use. Good for a start but there are plenty to choose from in the $140+ range.

 
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It's a fun car, but NOTHING like a 911, or even my old M3. There is a huge difference between a real sports car and a hopped up hatchback. The STi handles merely OK. But, living in NJ, it's very practical as an all weather car, and it packs a punch in a straight line.

My car was dynoed at EFI in CT, at 297HP and 368ft-lb of torque to the wheels. Mods are an Invidia downpipe, MadDad full exhaust, EFI Stage II Open Source Tune, Whiteline 22mm adjustable ant-roll bars (front and rear), Kartboy front and rear end links, and Polyeurethane bushings.

The M3 was less powerful, but much more fun to drive, since between rear wheel drive and excellent dynamics, it communicated and handled much better. But, the STi hauls a bike trailer to the track, goes through any snow when I swap rims in the winter, and will haul my camping gear and anything else i need.
 
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Riding on the street today is beyond stupid. Too many idiots and way too much traffic. I enjoy my functioning legs and arms too much.
 

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I ride, shop, commute and do everything with my bike. Why live in fear? Ride smart, and keep your wits about you.

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I have different gear for different purposes...

For most days.. Rukka GoreTex Pro Argo jacket, and matching pants, both with the D3O Air armor and back protector.. Waterproof shell on the outside, so it does not soak through. Pricy, but I can ride all day, and let it drip dry in an hour, instead of having the shell soak through. No liner to install, and it breathes very well, even with the vents shut. Rukka and Klim make excellent gear, but since I am short, I prefer the sport cut of the Rukka over the 3/4 length jacket cut of the Klim Badlands Pro. Both companies make gear you can ride all day through heavy rain, and not a drop gets in.





For warmer days..

Teiz Camino perforated leather.. all leather.. and breathes well.. I have matching pants it zips with for the track.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12045897&postcount=1238

I have a few pairs of gloves and boots, depending on the weather, and a Shoei Qwest touring helmet.
 
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sze5003

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I should look into new gear but I barely have time to ride anymore. It takes time to go to a place and try out the gear too.

It's cheaper online but for pants and jackets you need to try on. Then online you go and find it for either the same price or lower but it may be a different model with a different fit.

Have you guys bought most gear online ? The pants are the hardest to find for me. I wear 30x32 pants normally, same with jeans but some overpants don't come in that size or are a bit bigger at times.

For what it's worth my gear has lasted me since I started. I wish I had more time to ride though, and fix up all the annoying issues I find with my bike in seperate rides.
 

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I should look into new gear but I barely have time to ride anymore. It takes time to go to a place and try out the gear too.

It's cheaper online but for pants and jackets you need to try on. Then online you go and find it for either the same price or lower but it may be a different model with a different fit.

Have you guys bought most gear online ? The pants are the hardest to find for me. I wear 30x32 pants normally, same with jeans but some overpants don't come in that size or are a bit bigger at times.

For what it's worth my gear has lasted me since I started. I wish I had more time to ride though, and fix up all the annoying issues I find with my bike in seperate rides.


You could try price matching in IRL stores you shop at. Just simply find some stuff online, print the product, the website URL address and price and ask the store to give it to you for that price. If you're lucky you can get it for cheaper. I can't guarantee the store will actually do it, but if they're making a guaranteed sale on things then maybe they will allow it. I guess I will eventually have to do this too myself. Even for PC parts at fry's electronics they do this nowadays.
 

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I try and hit showrooms.

I got to Philly occasionally, so I stop in at RevZilla once in a while. I bought my TCX Air boots and my Held Air n Dry gloves there last trip. I will generally also try on examples of different brands, and then either buy there, or order online. I bought the Rukka pants there, but that jacket is a Europe only model, so I ordered it from Germany.

I try and order from RevZilla if I can though. They have great support, and bend over backwards to help you out.
 

papadage

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Here's my leathers, when I was touring last year. Top of the Blue Ridge. Two guys from Texas, One from NY, one from VT, and me in the middle..

 

sze5003

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I try and hit showrooms.

I got to Philly occasionally, so I stop in at RevZilla once in a while. I bought my TCX Air boots and my Held Air n Dry gloves there last trip. I will generally also try on examples of different brands, and then either buy there, or order online. I bought the Rukka pants there, but that jacket is a Europe only model, so I ordered it from Germany.

I try and order from RevZilla if I can though. They have great support, and bend over backwards to help you out.

I live 25 minutes from RevZilla. I got my jacket, cortec AR latigo boots, and gloves there. They are extremely helpful and each purchase gives you some money off for the next trip over there. They know their stuff and the one guy spent over an hour with me helping me pick a jacket, trying on different options, even shipped the stuff to me in no time if they didn't have it in stock.

Their prices are not bad sometimes but if you are looking for specific things it can get pricey.

What I'll do is try it on at the store and look online for the same exact model. Many times I'll just order through RevZilla since I can drive down on a weekend and return it if I have fitting issues.
 

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It's a fun car, but NOTHING like a 911, or even my old M3. There is a huge difference between a real sports car and a hopped up hatchback. The STi handles merely OK. But, living in NJ, it's very practical as an all weather car, and it packs a punch in a straight line.

My car was dynoed at EFI in CT, at 297HP and 368ft-lb of torque to the wheels. Mods are an Invidia downpipe, MadDad full exhaust, EFI Stage II Open Source Tune, Whiteline 22mm adjustable ant-roll bars (front and rear), Kartboy front and rear end links, and Polyeurethane bushings.

The M3 was less powerful, but much more fun to drive, since between rear wheel drive and excellent dynamics, it communicated and handled much better. But, the STi hauls a bike trailer to the track, goes through any snow when I swap rims in the winter, and will haul my camping gear and anything else i need.



I actually like Porsche 911's myself actually. Specifically the 911 Turbo "S" model with twin turbos and all the newest gadgets the car has.
I've never ridden in a 911, but I'm willing to bet there's no substitute! :biggrin:
Unfortunately, for me its too expensive. That's why I mentioned the WRX STi because its more practical for me. If I had the dough I wouldn't mind owning one.


@DigDog. Finally to answer your question on why I want to ride a motorcycle specifically a sport bike:



1.) Sportbikes look cool. . This is an important selling point to me for a motorcycle. Once upon a time I majored in Industrial Design and wanted to get into car design. But that dream faded when reality hit:
competitive job market, not enough jobs, long hours of work without sleep for days, VERY under paid. But I did develop a somewhat a "better taste" of what good design looks like. Italian sportbikes like Ducatis and MV F3 and F4 are sleek and appealing to look at. Even the Honda CBR 600RR with the tail pipe underneath is simple, yet also appealing to look at.

2.) Because inline-4 engines sound awesome! I ALWAYS enjoy listening to a rider on the street with one of those inline-4 japanese 600cc sportbikes ride fast. I guess you can tell the engine performance of cars and bikes based on the sound.
Here's a vid of Michael Dunlop in isle of man tt on a Honda 600cc bike:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWZG1nhgwgg
Its interesting and reminds me of an F1 car....


3.) Because sportbikes are fast and fun. Maybe I played too much racing videogames as a kid and enjoyed riding as a passenger for some quick accelerating cars in the past, but I would definitely say the looks of sportbikes are really cool, but the riding experience and brutal acceleration of sportbikes is probably a fun thing to experience. But I agree on the posts that mention there are lots of road factors like other drivers tailgating, wind factor (riding at high speed with lots of wind tossed your way MUST be difficult), rocks and other debris to consider and avoid when riding, etc.

4.) Because they're more affordable than sports/super cars
And also the fact trying to develop through R&D a decent sportbike cost lots of $$$ and time and proper prototype research, I"m willing to bet the sportibkes like the ones I'm interested in are well thought out and everything including the engine reliability, performance, gas consumption, styling, etc... are taken into consideration making for a fun experience.


I've hit a few points on why I like specifically sport bikes in particular. To some degree if there was say a Honda CBR 600cc inline-4 engine on a bike with an upright position like those sport naked types or any other upright position bike I would consider that as well. As long as the power and engine sound of the inline-4 is there that would be okay as well I would say.
 

Fenixgoon

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Yamaha FZ6.

Or, more interesting these days, the FZ-09. (Incredible Bike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCIg4S52aCs )

But both are too much for a new rider.

having owned an FZ6R (further neutered from the FZ6 - slightly more mid range but way less top end),

the absolutely max sport/standard i'd recommend for any beginner is an FZ6R or SV650.

And really, i'd say stick to a 250 or 500. Even my 70hp FZ6R got to 60 in 4s flat.

My ninja1000 now does that in 3.2s now though
 

sze5003

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question? Is it possible to start on a 1992 Honda CBR 250RR? And is it possible to find one in the Untied States?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID2p_rq9pcQ

Sure it is. Over at my mother's apartment complex, each time I go to visit there is a guy that has a cbr 250. Not sure where he got it, or when but I always see it.

The later ninja 250 bikes are what you should look for. I had a 2009 ninja 250. I bought it off a professor for 2k. It had about 2k miles on it too. Fixed it up all summer, spent a majority of my summer doing maintenance, ripping the carburetor out, taking it apart , cleaning and reassembling the jets. It ran like a champ after that.

They look nice too, like a sport bike but don't sound like an inline 4. The sv650 also does not sound like an inline. Mine has a yoshimura exhaust so it's pretty loud, still sounds sharp.

I also agree with the fz6r. A bit heavier than my sv, but very comfortable seating position and less torquey. At least the newer model is. I was looking for one before I went with an sv but could not find one for a good price I wanted to pay.

The sv is enough bike for me but I do wish I could get something that sounds like an inline 4. My problem is I can not stand the seating position of super sport bikes. I'm tall, and I feel cramped, also have lower back pains sometimes randomly. Not related to any accidents, just in general so being hunched over like that isn't so comfortable for the street riding that I do.
 
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The old CBR 250RR is not street legal in the US. Aside from that, it's a real race bike, completely inappropriate for the road. It's a bad idea.

Track riding is not street and highway riding, and attitudes like yours are why the crash rate for new riders is so high.
 

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Yeah, that's the modern one, much like the Ninja 300, which is probably a better bike right now.

The CBR250RR is a cut down super sport with an inline 4. It was sold in japan and Australia only, and has a cult following for a good reason.

The one I am waiting for is the KTM RC390. A single cylinder 390cc, 43HP, torquey little beast with inverted forks, proper brakes, and a 50lb weight drop below the Ninja 300. THAT will be the premier light track bike.

And with all the torque, it should be practical for the street. One of the issues with super sports is that they have very little torque down low, so they have to be wound up to ride normally. It's cool at first, but once you decide to do a LOT of riding, it gets old, fast. That's another reason I like my Nija 650. Same torque as a ZX6-R or CBR600RR, but at a much lower rpm range.
 

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I'm really liking the look of the new ninja 300. I miss my ninja 250. Being able to flick it each and every way I pleased. I could keep up with my friend on his cbr as long as we weren't on a straight away and he hammered the throttle. Such a fun bike to ride but eventually I found myself yanking the throttle revving high wanting a little more oomph. I wish I could have kept it and saved for my SV but my apartment complex sucks they would not let me have two bikes and a car.

Earlier this winter due to all the snow I had to move my bike because someone told them it's been parked there 2 years and not used. I live around a bunch of old people. It's 30 degrees out with ice on the ground, I wasn't going to ride it during winter just like the year before. Ehh..stupid people complaining because everyone started taking up parking spots out of nowhere.
 

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I had a Ninja 250 also. Great little bike. It is very much flickable. But, my 650 is almost as much fin, and has a lot more torque, and will carry a shit ton of stuff with luggage, so it's more practical for me.

But I did have a friend in DFW that put a full Ohlins shock and Racetech front suspension on a Ninja 250, and added Givi luggage racks to it, and he kept it for a long time, until he started riding in mountains, and needed something with more power, so he got a Street Triple.

Thankfully, I have a second garage, and half of it is for my bike, gear stands and tools. I don't think I would have gotten a bike in my neighborhood if I couldn't lock it inside. I even encouraged my long time friend and neighbor to ride again, and offered him a slot in my garage to keep any bike he can fit in there.
 
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Yeah, that's the modern one, much like the Ninja 300, which is probably a better bike right now.

The CBR250RR is a cut down super sport with an inline 4. It was sold in japan and Australia only, and has a cult following for a good reason.

The one I am waiting for is the KTM RC390. A single cylinder 390cc, 43HP, torquey little beast with inverted forks, proper brakes, and a 50lb weight drop below the Ninja 300. THAT will be the premier light track bike.

And with all the torque, it should be practical for the street. One of the issues with super sports is that they have very little torque down low, so they have to be wound up to ride normally. It's cool at first, but once you decide to do a LOT of riding, it gets old, fast. That's another reason I like my Nija 650. Same torque as a ZX6-R or CBR600RR, but at a much lower rpm range.

The same friend that's looking for a bike whom I qouted earlier got a new Duke 390 last September as a first bike.
He is sufficiently disappointed with it, that he wants to get rid of it ASAP, and get another bike.

Basically the bike wasn't usable in winter conditions as delivered (and we're not even talking properly freezing - don't think he tried much sub 0C-running).
It took a week at the shops, a valve tune, an oil change from the run-in oil to some lighter oil, to get it to turn over and start on cool mornings.
This issue also appears to be not all that isolated.
Plus, there are apparently frequent oil leaks, and the engine is a tad rattly.

He's still considering simply upgrading to the 690, but of course, who knows what issues those have.

So while on paper the 390 is a great little engine, there's reason to be a bit skeptical about using it as a learning bike, on which you really want to get the maximum miles in all conditions.

Also, he very quickly grew bored of his bike, and wants something more powerful now. Though I suppose a street-oriented bike with the 390 might be a bit more fun, because of the lower cog and the resulting better handling.

Still, the engine/QC issues are a turn-off.
 

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That's sad to hear. The 390 is built for KTM in India. The 690 is manufactured in Austria.

For a good beginner street bike, my current recommendation is the CBR500R. Very predictable, linear power delivery, high Honda quality control, and enough power to keep it practical.

But beginner bikes should be bought used, and then re-sold for almost the same price you buy them. That way you can move up with little extra cost when the time is right, and you know what kind of riding you enjoy.
 

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That's sad to hear. The 390 is built for KTM in India. The 690 is manufactured in Austria.

For a good beginner street bike, my current recommendation is the CBR500R. Very predictable, linear power delivery, high Honda quality control, and enough power to keep it practical.

But beginner bikes should be bought used, and then re-sold for almost the same price you buy them. That way you can move up with little extra cost when the time is right, and you know what kind of riding you enjoy.

Well, you don't get ABS on most used bikes, and that is a very nice safety feature to have on any bike. Plus, he's not willing to screw around with a bike, so he greatly appreciates being able to have the bike taken back to the dealer when issues like the above crop up, which on a used bike would have probably cost the depreciation value to get fixed, and there'd be no loaner on hand either.
 

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The cbr 500 is pretty new still but they are nice bikes. I was going to trade my 250 in for a cbr 500 but it was too new at the time.

Buying used is the best but you have to be prepared to tinker with the bike. Most people in my area don't know a thing or two about the bikes they ride. So when you buy it there's quite a few maintenance items to take care of. Which as a new rider can be annoying because all you want to do is learn but you end up working more on the bike than riding. But it's trivial sometimes you don't have to do anything.
 

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A newish used bike with maybe 4,000 miles on it should need nothing but an oil change if you stick with the Japanese brands, and it has not been crashed. Modern fuel injected bikes are pretty bullet proof. You would have to take a sledge hammer to a Ninja 250 to kill it. Just check the tires for cracks and flat spots, and make sure the chain has been kept clean. That's the sign of a tended to bike.

And any rider should at the very least carry a mini-pump and a tire plug kit, and join the AMA or add the bike to AAA for road service.
 

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it's true some the msf advanced course and the lee parks total control classes do ask that you have a minimum # of miles. It's more of a guideline though, although I do think you will get more utility from the class if you have some mileage under your belt. i definitely recommend total control. their level 1 class teaches you throttle control, vision, reference points, and a little session on suspension set up.

some track schools are ok with new riders also. (ie california superbike school, yamaha champions riding school). reason is they want you to learn the right way instead of trying to retrain you.

There's also schools like cornerspin. You ride in the dirt on dirt bikes using street tires.
http://www.cornerspin.com/main.html. some of the track guys said this helped them, others said not so much. everyone says it's a fun school though.

ideally you pick up a used bike and you practice in a parking lot or during non peak traffic times. if you're in the city it can be tough because you'll have to be ready for emergency braking all the time due to left turners.

a few good books to read are:
lee parks total control <- class is based off this book
twist of the wrist 2 <- all about turning
Proficient Motorcycling: The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well <- great book on riding safely on the street.

if you need some gear, sportbiketrackgear has a sale going on some alpinestars stuff. A lot of their stuff is good.
 
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