Which to overclock? 2.4c or 2500+ ?

[mrgoblin]

Theres a hefty difference in the two, about 150-200 bucks and I wanna know which you would get. Obviously the 2500+ has more bang for the buck but what would a 2500+ compare to in the intel line? What kind of results would I expect with the intel? Thanks

 

[Corporate Thug]

i dont think the difference is that big. 2.4C run $170, 2500+ run $90. and 80 difference. you will most likely get the 2.4C to 3.0+ Ghz and the 2500+ to 2.2 Ghz. the 3.0+ ghz with 1000 mhz FSB will be faster in most cases and it has hyperthreading. i would go for the 2.4C esp if you do video encoding

 

[Arcanedeath]

It depends on the apps your going to use it for and your budget, but in general an Overclocked P4 is gonna be faster than the overclocked athlon, they both overclock very well, if cost isn't a big concern I'd go P4, but if you have a somewhat tight budget I'd go w/ the athlon. Just my 2 cents...

 

[orion7144]

Don't forget that you would need a better HSF for the AMD so that would increase the price sincethe Intel comes with a HSF combo that is more than sufficiant to hit 3gig+

 

[StraightPipe]

why would you need to oc the P4? (i mean now, obviously in 2 years it will need it)

 

[orion7144]

Originally posted by: StraightPipe
why would you need to oc the P4? (i mean now, obviously in 2 years it will need it)

LOL if only the AMD peeps would just try the new P4's they would never look back. I am not bashing AMD here just that the cost to performace difference is not that big anymore between AMD and INTEL. The only big difference is the way AMD marks their processors.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: orion7144

Originally posted by: StraightPipe
why would you need to oc the P4? (i mean now, obviously in 2 years it will need it)

LOL if only the AMD peeps would just try the new P4's they would never look back. I am not bashing AMD here just that the cost to performace difference is not that big anymore between AMD and INTEL. The only big difference is the way AMD marks their processors.

i hear a lot of people saying that, but a 2500+ is only about half as much as a 2.4C

 

[Chumpman]

Yes, I'm a 15 year old who has to fund all of his own computer purchases. Trust me when I say that when the Intel chip is twice as much as an AMD chip that's maybe 15% slower, I'll always go with AMD.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: orion7144

Originally posted by: StraightPipe
why would you need to oc the P4? (i mean now, obviously in 2 years it will need it)

LOL if only the AMD peeps would just try the new P4's they would never look back. I am not bashing AMD here just that the cost to performace difference is not that big anymore between AMD and INTEL. The only big difference is the way AMD marks their processors.

 

[mrgoblin]

Whoever said that theyre cost is about the same is completely false. COMPARE MOBOS AND PROCESSORS! The difference between the ic7 and nf7 with their chips is quite a difference. So whats better? 3.0c performance amd or 3.4 performance with 1k fsb and 220 bucks more?

 

[Jeff7181]

If you only have $200 to spend, get an AMD system... if you can afford $300+, go with Intel.

 

[orion7144]

Originally posted by: mrgoblin
Whoever said that theyre cost is about the same is completely false. COMPARE MOBOS AND PROCESSORS! The difference between the ic7 and nf7 with their chips is quite a difference. So whats better? 3.0c performance amd or 3.4 performance with 1k fsb and 220 bucks more?

But why do you compare an IC7 (875 chipset) to an NF2? This is exactly what I am talking about. You can get the same features in an IS7 (865 chipset) as an NF2 board at the same price. But, no AMD fanboys have to come up with a reason not to switch. I was there, I was the one saying Intel sucked but since I spent the extra $20 I am a much happier person. Not only do I not have to deal with all of the conflicts but my system is way faster than anything AMD has to offer, and I didn't even buy the fastest one (at this time). So get off the band wagon, spend an extra $20 and try it. I would bet you you would not go back.

 

[Jeff7181]

An extra $20? 170 - 90 = 20 ?!?!?!? (2.4C - XP2500)

BTW... if you had conflicts with your AMD rig, maybe you didn't know what you were doing? I've had zero driver trouble with mine.

 

[orion7144]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
An extra $20? 170 - 90 = 20 ?!?!?!? (2.4C - XP2500)

BTW... if you had conflicts with your AMD rig, maybe you didn't know what you were doing? I've had zero driver trouble with mine.

I have probably been putting computers together before you knew what a computer was but I won't get into name calling. None the less A Barton 2500+ for $93 and a 2.4C for $165 thats ~$70 now add the extra $30 for a decent HSF combo to your Barton (the Intel comes with a perfectly fine one just like their CPU). Now granted my calculations earlier included other things to even give the Barton a chance compared to the P4C. From reading your garbage I can't believe I used to say the same things. I would gladdly spend the extra money to have a machine that was more reliable, longer lasting, and had less headaches. I could link the numerous bechmarks to prove my point but then I might get blamed for a repost since they have been posted so many times. I guess the AMD Fanboys just don't want to believe it.

 

[Jeff7181]

You don't need to spend $30 on a heatsink and fan... and I've never had any problems that were related to my processor that would have been different if I had an Intel processor. I've never had an AMD processor fail (not my 166 Mhz K6, not my 333 Mhz K6-2, not my 700 Mhz Duron, not my 1.2 Ghz Athlon, not my XP1700 Palomino, no my XP1700 T-Bred A, and neither of the XP2500's that I've had), although I do have a dead 486 Cyrix, and a dead 233 Pentium that I acquired from other people for free.
Again I'll say... if you have $200 in your pocket, you can't even begin to buy a worth while Intel CPU/motherboard combo. But you can get a damn good AMD CPU/motherboard combo for $200.

 

[DrPara]

how I see IT :

barton 2500 + kt600(asus) =~ 185 USD
2.4B + p4p800 (asus ,865) =~ 290 USD
or
2.4C + p4p800(asus ,865)=~ 335 USD

so , we got in first case a difference of about 105 $
the p4 oc better but barton beats it if a very high fsb is achieved (on socket a platform)

in the 2.4c case , the difference is bigger , ~150 $
the 2.4c beats the barton in all tests


BUT lets not forget that the P4 need another stick of RAM if you want max performance , so add another 80 $

CONCLUSION : 56% pricier for a max 5 % performance (depending on the amd fsb ,this 5 % for P4 can be a -5% )
or
81% pricier for a max 10-12 % performance

*not regarding the RAM difference

i personally wont pay such a price difference for this little difference in performance

..my 2 cents(tell me your opinions)

 

[beatle]

I'm |_| this close to switching from my Barton @ 2.2 to a 2.4C. After selling my CPU/MB/Alpha 8045 it'd cost me ~$100 to upgrade. AMD's setup (w/soundstorm) has superior onboard sound, which was a factor to me. Speedwise, I'd probably go for Intel.

 

[MDE]

Budget = AMD
Rich Uncle Pennybags = Intel
This broke-ass unemployed soon to be 18 year old's perspective

 

[draco8099]

Originally posted by: DrPara
how I see IT :

barton 2500 + kt600(asus) =~ 185 USD
2.4B + p4p800 (asus ,865) =~ 290 USD
or
2.4C + p4p800(asus ,865)=~ 335 USD

so , we got in first case a difference of about 105 $
the p4 oc better but barton beats it if a very high fsb is achieved (on socket a platform)

in the 2.4c case , the difference is bigger , ~150 $
the 2.4c beats the barton in all tests


BUT lets not forget that the P4 need another stick of RAM if you want max performance , so add another 80 $

CONCLUSION : 56% pricier for a max 5 % performance (depending on the amd fsb ,this 5 % for P4 can be a -5% )
or
81% pricier for a max 10-12 % performance

*not regarding the RAM difference

i personally wont pay such a price difference for this little difference in performance

..my 2 cents(tell me your opinions)

Um check the prices at newegg, here is a price comparison using the above mentioned components.

Barton 2500+ (retail) $88
Asus A7V600 (has KT600 chipset) $92.99
$88+$92.99=$180.99

P4 2.4C (retail) $171
Asus P4P8X (865P chipset) 99.99
$171+99.99=$270.99

$270.99-$180.99=$90

Yep, still a price difference but not quiet as bad as it might have seamed. If I were to buy an AMD right now I would get an Nforce2 board with dual channel memory or that new Soltek Nforce2 that is single channel but almost performs as well as a dual channel board, the dual channel Nforce2 is about the same price as a Kt600 chipset and the Soltek single channel is ~$10-$12 less than either of them.

Your price list might have been a little dated , happens to the best of us.

 

[Snufalufagus]

I just purchased my second 2.4C for $142 and an ABIT IS7 for $108, that is $250 total.

 

[DojoWarlord]

I would go for a 2.4C....

 

[orion7144]

Originally posted by: Snufalufagus
I just purchased my second 2.4C for $142 and an ABIT IS7 for $108, that is $250 total.

Did you get that from Staples? Gota love there special orders. Of course you can get the IS7 for $99 so that brings the price down to $240 so that is only a $60 price difference and don't even talk about ram adding in cost since most people on this board who would get the Barton would already have the two sticks or get another stick anyway to take advantage of the NF2 DDDR. So for $60 you get a faster machine with HT technology. Nothing that is going to break the bank not to mention that the Barton OC'd to it's max does not perform as well as the 2.4C stock. And we all know that the 2.4C will easily hit 3gig. I have 3 and my main one is at 3.5gig with stock cooling, my daughters is at 3gig (memory limitation) and my sons is stock since his board does not offer OC'ing.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: orion7144

Originally posted by: Snufalufagus
I just purchased my second 2.4C for $142 and an ABIT IS7 for $108, that is $250 total.

Did you get that from Staples? Gota love there special orders. Of course you can get the IS7 for $99 so that brings the price down to $240 so that is only a $60 price difference and don't even talk about ram adding in cost since most people on this board who would get the Barton would already have the two sticks or get another stick anyway to take advantage of the NF2 DDDR. So for $60 you get a faster machine with HT technology. Nothing that is going to break the bank not to mention that the Barton OC'd to it's max does not perform as well as the 2.4C stock. And we all know that the 2.4C will easily hit 3gig. I have 3 and my main one is at 3.5gig with stock cooling, my daughters is at 3gig (memory limitation) and my sons is stock since his board does not offer OC'ing.

I would say that the bolded statement is about 90-95% false.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: mrgoblin
Whoever said that theyre cost is about the same is completely false. COMPARE MOBOS AND PROCESSORS! The difference between the ic7 and nf7 with their chips is quite a difference. So whats better? 3.0c performance amd or 3.4 performance with 1k fsb and 220 bucks more?

Overclocked P4C is potentially a lot faster, which might mean it will be fast enough for a longer time, but the AMD is fast enough too.

So I think the P4 is worth the extra money, but if you don't want to spend the money the AMD is an excellent choice too. Either one is great.

 

[Snufalufagus]

It just arrived about 30 min ago, it is a Malaysia packed CPU. I don't think it matters where is comes from because my Costa Rica 2.4C does 3.21GHz on air with no problem. I used a coupon code from Staples for $30 off $150, it expires on 8-15-03. PM if you need it.