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dominicr

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which video card would be better to use and why for running solidworks, catia, and unigraphics

1 gtx 680, a pair of ati 7950, or a quadro 4000/firepro v7900

i know what i want to get but our purchasing department has different ideas and are being sold on something else by salespeople. any input towards any of the cards would be appreciated.
 

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pair of 7950 is fastest hardware, but I'm not sure if it will have the professional driver support of the quadro or firepro cards.
 
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what do you mean by professional driver support?

Take a look at this review.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/quadro-fx-4800,2258-10.html

See how the Quadro absolutely buries the GeForce at all the workstation stuff even though they're basically the same card?

When you buy a FirePro or a Quadro card, you're not really buying a card. You're buying a card, yes - and one that is made under closer supervision and takes less design risks than most gaming cards, because it's intended to last a very long time in a production workstation - but you are also buying a very expensive license for highly optimized drivers, developed by the GPU manufacturer at great expense. (AMD or nVidia.) These drivers are very carefully designed to maximize performance and stability with professional graphics and CAD software, and to hell with gaming.

Drivers for gaming cards, otoh, are not optimized this way. Frankly, it seems like AMD/nVidia intentionally cripple OpenGL performance.

You will also find that AMD/Intel's drivers are often better optimized for specific software packages. The difference in a given benchmark between two cards that perform similarly for gaming can be... dramatic.
 
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dominicr

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so what your saying is that the quadro cards will beat the gaming cards doing 3d cad work? i have a 6850 in my computer at home and run solidworks there seamlessly...i have a quadro fx380 in my computer at work and it jumps, skips, and lags. would this be more of a cpu/ram issue then or would you think that has to do with the video card? i have a topic going on over at the cpu board also talking about a xeon vs i7-3930 processor. basically it boils down to i want our new computers in the engineering office to have i7-3930 processors...16gb of 1600 ram minimum....and a pair of gtx 680's or 7970's as the video cards....our purchasing depart is wanting to buy us xion qc-e5-2643 processor...16gb of 1600 ram...and a quadro 4000m video card at the cost of 2000 dollars more...which is better for what i need?
 
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so what your saying is that the quadro cards will beat the gaming cards doing 3d cad work? i have a 6850 in my computer at home and run solidworks there seamlessly...i have a quadro fx380 in my computer at work and it jumps, skips, and lags. would this be more of a cpu/ram issue then or would you think that has to do with the video card?

I'm going to assume you're serious.

RAM/CPU could be an issue. But the FX380 is so old and slow, that even with the benefits provided by "professional grade" drivers, the 6850 - a much more modern card - will be faster.

The FX380 has 16 cores. The Quadro 4000 has 256 much faster ones. The 6850 has 960/5= 192, still running faster than the FX380. (Divide stream processor count by five to get CUDA core equivalent.)

In that review I linked, the "bonus" from having the pro version of a given video card was a little under 5x. 5 < 12, so there you go.

Not even taking into account VRAM or memory bandwidth. *shudder*

i have a topic going on over at the cpu board also talking about a xeon vs i7-3930 processor. basically it boils down to i want our new computers in the engineering office to have i7-3930 processors...16gb of 1600 ram minimum....and a pair of gtx 680's or 7970's as the video cards....our purchasing depart is wanting to buy us xion qc-e5-2643 processor...16gb of 1600 ram...and a quadro 4000m video card at the cost of 2000 dollars more...which is better for what i need?

The Xeon vs. i7 thing is a wash. They're basically the same, assuming same size cache, clock speed and core count. Some Xeons will support SMP if you want to do dual socket motherboards, of course.

For what you need, I'd probably do it a little differently. Get an LGA1155 server grade motherboard with SAS, drop in a consumer grade i7, and get a Quadro 5000 (not 4000.)

Your purchasing department is probably closer to right though. It sounds like you're trying to build a gaming rig. They want a professional grade workstation with, more than likely, and more importantly, a professional grade onsite support contract. Just for starters, most of the Quadro 4000 boards I see on Newegg have a three year warranty.
 
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dominicr

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i am trying to build a gaming rig because i know that works and you are correct they are more worried about warranty and having someone come fix a problem if one comes up. i gave my recommendation on the gaming rig since we have been through several "workstations" here that have failed and my computer at home is still mowing through the software.
 
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