Which Vista to buy?

UltimaBoB

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Just got my new DX 10 card and going to play Crysis next week.

Thinking it is time to get Vista. My plan is to actually buy it at Yongsan.

Which Vista do I want? I want 64 bit. I tend to not do anything fancy with windows. I also don't want to blow 200 bucks + on an OS.

Advice?

Here is the newegg link:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...InDesc=Vista&Tpk=vista

I don't understand the difference between 1-pack for system builders and ones that don't say that. Also, is Ultimate really TWICE the price of Home Premium?
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Windows Vista 64-bit Home premium is probably the one you want. the only difference between the retail and oem software is the licensing. Retail versions are transferable to other computers and oem versions are not. Ultimate isn't twice as expensive but, it does not seem to offer value proportionate to the price.
 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: UltimaBoB
Just got my new DX 10 card and going to play Crysis next week.

Thinking it is time to get Vista. My plan is to actually buy it at Yongsan.

Which Vista do I want? I want 64 bit. I tend to not do anything fancy with windows. I also don't want to blow 200 bucks + on an OS.

Advice?

Here is the newegg link:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...InDesc=Vista&Tpk=vista

I don't understand the difference between 1-pack for system builders and ones that don't say that. Also, is Ultimate really TWICE the price of Home Premium?

Do you need a retail version or will a OEM version be sufficient? The 1 pack for system builders is an OEM copy that will be tied to the mother board it is installed on. If you keep the same system for long periods of time this is the way to go.

Home Premium 64 bit OEM

This one is $99 and has 90% of what Ultimate has. Unless you need something particular like bitlocker, there is no need for Ultimate for the average user.

Vista Ultimate 64 bit OEM

Ultimate is $169.

You just have to review the features and decide which one you want. If you upgrade motherboards frequently, then just go with a retail version of Home Premium.

 

nerp

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I believe you will be satisfied with Vista 64 bit home premium OEM.
 

WildHorse

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Well the Langa newsletter, Windows Secrets, says to just get Vista SP1 and install that on a clean empty hard drive:

QUOTE:
The original Windows Secrets article contains step-by-step instructions on upgrading Vista in this way. In a nutshell, the procedure involves booting a PC from the Vista upgrade DVD. Next, a clean install is performed without the user entering the disc's product key or downloading any patches.

Once this unactivated, trial version of Vista is running, the setup program is launched again ? this time from within Vista. At this point, the "upgrade" option is selected, the product key is entered, and Vista can be activated exactly like the full edition of the product.

Step 1. Boot the PC from the Vista DVD.

Step 2. Select "Install Now," but do not enter the Product Key from the Vista packaging. Leave the input box blank. Also, turn off the option Automatically activate Windows when I'm online. In the next dialog box that appears, confirm that you really do want to install Vista without entering a Product Key.

Step 3. Correctly indicate the version of Vista that you're installing: Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, or Ultimate.

Step 4. Select the "Custom (Advanced)" install, not the "Upgrade" install.

Step 5. Vista copies files at length and reboots itself one or more times. Wait for the install to complete. At this point, you might think that you could "activate" Vista, but you can't. That's because you haven't installed the Vista upgrade yet. To do that, run the DVD's setup.exe program again, but this time from the Vista desktop. The easiest way to start setup again is to eject and then reinsert the DVD.

Step 6. Click "Install Now." Select Do not get the latest updates for installation. (You can check for these updates later.)

Step 7. This time, do enter the Product Key from the Vista packaging. Once again, turn off the option Automatically activate Windows when I'm online.

Step 8. On this second install, make sure to select "Upgrade," not "Custom (Advanced)." You're not doing a clean install now, you're upgrading to Vista.

Step 9. Wait while Vista copies files and reboots itself. No user interaction is required. Do not boot from the DVD when asked if you'd like to do so. Instead, wait a few seconds and the setup process will continue on its way. Some DOS-like, character-mode menus will appear, but don't interact with them. After a few seconds, the correct choice will run for you automatically.

Step 10. After you click a button labeled Start in the Thank You dialog box, Vista's login screen will eventually appear. Enter the username and password that you selected during the first install. You're done upgrading to Vista.

Step 11. Within 30 days, you must "activate" your copy of Vista or it'll lose functionality. To activate Vista, click Show more details in the Welcome Center that automatically displays upon each boot-up, then click Activate Windows now. If you've dismissed the Welcome Center, access the correct dialog box by clicking Start, Control Panel, System & Maintenance, System. If you purchased a legitimate copy of Vista, it should quickly activate over the Internet. (You can instead activate by calling Microsoft on the phone, which avoids your PC exchanging information with Microsoft's server.)ENDQUOTE
 

devilchrist

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neither.. You dont' want vista 64.. I have not yet tried vista x86 but when running oblivion i get about 60% of the FPS i get from XP.

I'm going to install XP64 and see how that works, but for now.. I will never use vista64 again. until they workout the performance issues.

It really is pathetic.

There are no obvious benefit to running DX10.

In my opinion It's just not worth it. Stick with XP.
 

nerp

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Originally posted by: devilchrist
neither.. You dont' want vista 64.. I have not yet tried vista x86 but when running oblivion i get about 60% of the FPS i get from XP.

I'm going to install XP64 and see how that works, but for now.. I will never use vista64 again. until they workout the performance issues.

It really is pathetic.

There are no obvious benefit to running DX10.

In my opinion It's just not worth it. Stick with XP.

You sound like an isolated case. I get better performance in Vista64 than I do 32 bit and I don't see any performance difference in games. I get about 99 percent the performance in games as I did in XP.
 

Noema

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Originally posted by: nerp
Originally posted by: devilchrist
neither.. You dont' want vista 64.. I have not yet tried vista x86 but when running oblivion i get about 60% of the FPS i get from XP.

I'm going to install XP64 and see how that works, but for now.. I will never use vista64 again. until they workout the performance issues.

It really is pathetic.

There are no obvious benefit to running DX10.

In my opinion It's just not worth it. Stick with XP.

You sound like an isolated case. I get better performance in Vista64 than I do 32 bit and I don't see any performance difference in games. I get about 99 percent the performance in games as I did in XP.

Same here.
 

EndGame

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Originally posted by: devilchrist
neither.. I dont' want vista 64.. I have not yet tried vista x86 but when running oblivion iget about 60% of the FPS i get from XP.

I'm going to install XP64 and see how that works, but for now.. I will never use vista64 again. until they workout the performance issues.

It really is pathetic for me.

There are no obvious benefit to running DX10 for me.

In my opinion It's just not worth it. I will Stick with XP.

Fixed for accuracy....

Just because you have Vista problems does not mean everyone else has. Don't be afraid of change and figure your problems out and repair them.

OP, get HP X64. Been running X64 Vista over a year now with absolutely no problems.

 

devilchrist

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LOL thanks Endgame,

I have Vista Ultimate 64, XP, Ubuntu linux installed on my 3pc all seperate drives.

I find that Vista is very slow, It may be different with the HP version. Vista also rates my PC as 5.8 if that's makes a difference.

 

Tempered81

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Originally posted by: devilchrist
neither.. You dont' want vista 64.. I have not yet tried vista x86 but when running oblivion i get about 60% of the FPS i get from XP.

I'm going to install XP64 and see how that works, but for now.. I will never use vista64 again. until they workout the performance issues.

It really is pathetic.

There are no obvious benefit to running DX10.

In my opinion It's just not worth it. Stick with XP.

I also prefer xp pro sp2 32 bit over my old vista home premium. all games across the board are faster and i too don't see the need in dx10 or 64 bit just yet.
 

UNCjigga

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Originally posted by: jaredpace
Originally posted by: devilchrist
neither.. You dont' want vista 64.. I have not yet tried vista x86 but when running oblivion i get about 60% of the FPS i get from XP.

I'm going to install XP64 and see how that works, but for now.. I will never use vista64 again. until they workout the performance issues.

It really is pathetic.

There are no obvious benefit to running DX10.

In my opinion It's just not worth it. Stick with XP.

I also prefer xp pro sp2 32 bit over my old vista home premium. all games across the board are faster and i too don't see the need in dx10 or 64 bit just yet.
So is the consensus to use XP for gaming, and Vista for everything else? Because in my experience, Vista feels snappier for everyday computing than XP does. But if you make the argument that XP is better for gaming, MS really needs to include DX10 in SP3!

 

Mem

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Originally posted by: UNCjigga
Originally posted by: jaredpace
Originally posted by: devilchrist
neither.. You dont' want vista 64.. I have not yet tried vista x86 but when running oblivion i get about 60% of the FPS i get from XP.

I'm going to install XP64 and see how that works, but for now.. I will never use vista64 again. until they workout the performance issues.

It really is pathetic.

There are no obvious benefit to running DX10.

In my opinion It's just not worth it. Stick with XP.

I also prefer xp pro sp2 32 bit over my old vista home premium. all games across the board are faster and i too don't see the need in dx10 or 64 bit just yet.
So is the consensus to use XP for gaming, and Vista for everything else? Because in my experience, Vista feels snappier for everyday computing than XP does. But if you make the argument that XP is better for gaming, MS really needs to include DX10 in SP3!

I find Vista x64 just as fast as XP for gaming,70 plus games installed and I have yet to have any issues,you won't see DX10 in SP3,besides DX10 is not just a simple update, XP is coming towards the end of its life cycle,it has had a long run,time to move forward.

As to Oblivion comment well obviously something is wrong since I don't get anything like 40% performance drop you meantion and I even have the Shivering isles expansion pack too,I would look at what is causing the problem rather then blaming the OS(too easy to blame the OS rather then do some real trouble shooting),have you installed latest DX9.0C in Vista,disabled Defender real time scan etc?

I say it again Vista x64 is the best OS Microsoft have released so far,show me another OS with the same sort of security/game compatibility and able to withstand Starforce/TAGES,SecuROM drivers etc... and still not bat an eyelid,I know XP would fail at this hurdle with most users.

I forgot to say I agree Home Premium is the way to go unless you need the features of Business/Ultimate versions.
 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: UNCjigga
So is the consensus to use XP for gaming, and Vista for everything else? Because in my experience, Vista feels snappier for everyday computing than XP does. But if you make the argument that XP is better for gaming, MS really needs to include DX10 in SP3!


All the recent benchmarks show little to no difference between the two platforms for gaming. Those are a much better indicator it is ok to go with Vista for gaming than a few users who are posting they are having trouble.

All operating systems give some users trouble for various reasons. Nine times out of ten it is either a driver problem or the software they have installed conflicts with the operating system. (Crapware that comes on pc's from the major vendors is notorious for causing Vista issues.) Buy components that are well supported under Vista and use software with a light footprint and you will avoid the majority of the issues that people experience with Vista.
 

Canterwood

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Originally posted by: nerp
Originally posted by: devilchrist
neither.. You dont' want vista 64.. I have not yet tried vista x86 but when running oblivion i get about 60% of the FPS i get from XP.

I'm going to install XP64 and see how that works, but for now.. I will never use vista64 again. until they workout the performance issues.

It really is pathetic.

There are no obvious benefit to running DX10.

In my opinion It's just not worth it. Stick with XP.

You sound like an isolated case. I get better performance in Vista64 than I do 32 bit and I don't see any performance difference in games. I get about 99 percent the performance in games as I did in XP.

No, not an isolated case.

I've noticed a difference in frame rates between XP and Vista on my test rig.

FEAR MP in XP was smooth, whereas in Vista there was noticeable slow down at certain map points.

Nvidia XP drivers seem better than their Vista ones, but that doesn't surprise me as Nvidia suck with decent Windows driver support right now.
 
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