Which would you buy? Win 7 or Win 8.1?

2cats

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I'm fitting out a new pc, and I originally thought I was going to put FreeBSD on it, but, I probably need to have windows to keep up with my ASP .net work. I'm really not excited about spending $140.00, but, you have to pay if you want to play right?

I've read some negative things about 8.1, and I don't have a clue what all this Metro stuff is about. The missing Start button was enough to turn me off of 8 when I first heard about it. The issue I guess I'm having is wondering how fast MS will stop supporting 7.

I have XP SP1a loaded on to the new pc. It starts up. I CAN open IE6 and go to a couple of sites without it crashing. You can find SP2 anywhere.

So, anyway, Which way would you go? 7 or 8.1?
 

escrow4

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XP SP1 and IE6 . . . . . in 2013? Kill it now.

I'd get 8.1, that's where Microsoft is focusing on now and 7 is already coming on 5yrs old.
 

ninaholic37

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I'd just keep XP myself, and download a lite version of Firefox (and SP2 and SP3). Enough money saved to buy over 20 Hot & Ready Pizzas at Little Caesars. Microsoft would have to pay ME to upgrade.
 

PliotronX

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Here you go dude, don't waste money on 8.

Oh and use Firefox 12 for security. If there is a reason you can't or won't run SP3, this is the best browser you can run IME. Ideally you would have SP3 with a newer version. But yeah, if someone hands you a free copy of 8, trash it.
 
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code65536

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Uh, why SP2? If you're gonna stick with XP (which I don't recommend--and this is coming from someone who stubbornly stuck with XP on my main laptop until last year), you should be using SP3. Not 2, and certainly not 1.

And I say go with 8.1. Lost in the Start Menu hubbub is the fact that 8/8.1 greatly improves on the desktop experience in every other way, and it doesn't take long to get used to the Start Screen (or you could spend a couple of bucks on StartIsBack to get the Start Menu and banish Metro).
 

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If your sticking to XP, SP3 it no doubt.

If you want a new os id say trial 8.1. Its great and most people that give it an honest go love it.
 

Kneedragger

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I've come to like windows 8. My PC starts up so much faster. I just don't care for the tiles so I use it in desktop mode.
 

PliotronX

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If your sticking to XP, SP3 it no doubt.

If you want a new os id say trial 8.1. Its great and most people that give it an honest go love it.
Great if it's on a tablet. Zero redeeming interface qualities for mouse and keyboard. I have a lot of experience with it and it is awful (forceful policy at work). There are underlying changes that cannot be reverted with StartIsBack etc.. It starts up faster and includes Security Essentials OOB. Not worth the pricetag.
 

CRCSUX

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Great if it's on a tablet. Zero redeeming interface qualities for mouse and keyboard. I have a lot of experience with it and it is awful (forceful policy at work). There are underlying changes that cannot be reverted with StartIsBack etc.. It starts up faster and includes Security Essentials OOB. Not worth the pricetag.


*Power user menu
*Can pause file tranfers
*Improved Task Manager
*Can mount iso`s oob
*Can start programs faster
*Runs on less resources
*Runs games better (more fps)
*Will get updates win 7 wont (dx)
*Looks better (ok ignore that one as thats opinion :$)
*Costs the same as win 7 or less.
 

PliotronX

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The task manager is preposterous. Getting rid of msconfig was a dumb move for troubleshooting. Thank goodness Mike Lin's Startup CPL still works but geeze. Change for change's sake does not equate to better. The file explorer interface is ridiculous, charms bar is worthless. Oh I did find the neat picture password feature. True the interface is subjective but going back to 2001's XP beta watercolor UI is pretty humorous and fugly compared to Aero. Still a waste of money.

Oh the power user menu is sweet but that is something that should be offered in a registry tweak, not an OS designed for touchscreens (try long-touching that far corner with anything but a stylus).
 
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flexy

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I have a second "multimedia" PC which is about 900 years old. (AMD64, 1GB ram) Even that one runs better on 7 as compared to XP (and would likely even run better on 8.1, but I don't bother). For a new build (and also my current work PC, it's also quiet old) I would definitely do 8.1 (For me personally it's NOT metro or "touch" which causes problems, all this can be tweaked so you NEVER see it again). It's more that 8.1 is still a tad flaky in my opinion. (But that's probably because my PC is old, some drivers, Audigy etc. ancient and I did not do a fresh instal either). So or so, I'd say 8.1.

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*Looks better (ok ignore that one as thats opinion :$)
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As said, with some tweaking you can make it look and feel like 7. Metro is NOT an issue, this *was* my main problem before I installed 8/8.1...based on the WRONG assumption that I am forced to use it, no start-button etc.etc..blah blah...but as said all that can be tweaked, removed etc.
 
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SimMike2

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If Windows Media Center runs without glitches, I heard it is troublesome in Windows 8 and 8.1, and it doesn't cost extra to install WMC, than maybe Windows 8. Otherwise Windows 7.
 

Charlie98

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If you're gonna stick with XP (which I don't recommend--and this is coming from someone who stubbornly stuck with XP on my main laptop until last year...

That's me, too. I went kicking and screaming to W7 for my '11 desktop build. Once I pulled my head out and started working with it, it was pretty nice... and have since installed it on my HTPC and I may try to install it on my old XP Dell laptops (although I fear driver issues with such old hardware ('05 & '07 laptops.)

I think W8.1 would probably be a safe bet, certainly there will be fixes for the most nagging issues just like they did with W8. And, as much as I hate to admit it, XP is done.
 

code65536

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The task manager is preposterous.
It shows much more information and is FAR more useful, once you flip on the detailed view. How exactly does that make it "preposterous"? You are just throwing around these things without any form of elaboration. I, for one, think the new task manager is much better than before. I still prefer Process Explorer, though.

Getting rid of msconfig was a dumb move for troubleshooting.
Um, it's still there in 8.1. (I've never had to use msconfig, though: Autoruns is better for cleaning startup.)

The file explorer interface is ridiculous,
You just hate everything, don't you? I, for one, love the new File Explorer. I still miss the classic Explorer from XP, but the Explorer in Windows 8/8.1 goes a LONG way to fixing all the things that Vista broke.
* Toggling hidden items in 8: 2 mouse clicks. Toggling hidden items in 7: a keypress, a bunch of mouse clicks (I think it was 7 when I counted?) and a bunch of mouse movement in between.
* Toggling between details and thumbnail view in 8: 1 mouse click. Toggling between these in 7: 2 clicks. (I switch back and forth a LOT when managing photos.)
* The status bar is back.
* The detailed information pane is now off to the side, which makes better use of excess horizontal pixels and saves vertical pixels, and because there is more space, a lot more information can be shown. This alone right here made me want to ditch Windows 7.
* The most common complaint that I see (since you didn't bother to even explain why you dislike the new File Explorer) is that the ribbon takes up too much space, but that's only if you leave it expanded all the time. By default, it's minimized, and clicking on a tab doesn't expand it permanently, so it behaves a lot like a menubar. If you use it like a toolbar, then, yea, it's space inefficient, but who the heck actually made use of Explorer's toolbar? In Windows 7, I used keyboard shortcuts for common things like copying/pasting/etc. and then had to go menu-digging for the more advanced (and far less frequent) things. The toolbar was completely useless. In 8, the ribbon is, as I said, more like a menubar, except more convenient and capable.
* Oh, and the search tab fixes much (though not all) of the biggest Explorer regression from XP to Vista.

I honestly can't think of a single reason how 8's Explorer is worse than 7's, and for me, the single biggest reason I use 8/8.1 is the new File Explorer.

charms bar is worthless.
Yes, it is. So what? I disabled the charms hints and made it so the upper-right corner won't activate it. I virtually never see it.

True the interface is subjective but going back to 2001's XP beta watercolor UI is pretty humorous and fugly compared to Aero.
Aero (as in the GPU-accelerated compositor) is now always-on; the old fallback system's been completely axed. So I get Aero inside a VM. I get Aero over RD. I get Aero even when I play Blu-Rays (which used to kick me into Basic on 7).

What you are referring to is the lack of the "Aero Glass" visual effect, which is separate from Aero-the-compositor, but I never liked that garish faux-glass thing. Almost as cheesy as Apple's fake aluminum texture in their programs. But Aero now being always-on? That's a HUGE plus for me because I do a lot of stuff over Remote Desktop. Which is the second biggest reason I love 8/8.1: Remote Desktop is SO much better now. There's the always-on Aero, and there's the automatic lossy compression that kicks in to maintain responsiveness. Gone are the days when accidentally launching a video over a WAN Remote Desktop essentially made the session unusable.

Oh the power user menu is sweet but that is something that should be offered in a registry tweak, not an OS designed for touchscreens (try long-touching that far corner with anything but a stylus).
Wait, so you claim that 8/8.1 is all about the touchscreen and that it offers nothing for mouse/keyboard users, and then you complain that the biggest gift to mouse/keyboard users (since there are really only two ways to activate the power-user menu: using the mouse or using the keyboard shortcut) isn't touch-friendly. Seriously?

If Windows Media Center runs without glitches, I heard it is troublesome in Windows 8 and 8.1, and it doesn't cost extra to install WMC, than maybe Windows 8. Otherwise Windows 7.
I'm a huge Media Center fan (I have multiple SiliconDust tuners on my network), and I haven't noticed any problems in WMC in either 8 or 8.1.
 
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glugglug

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Power user menu
Added to 7 with registry hack found here

Can pause file tranfers
Teracopy is free and adds this to win 7. But I will say the windows 8 interface is a lot nicer for this.

Improved Task Manager
Better looking task manager. The functionality it adds was almost all there in the separate resource manager in Win7. And it loses some functionality that was there since NT4, like changing the list of columns displayed and sorting options.

Either way, Process Explorer is better than both of the built-in task managers.

Can mount iso`s oob
Plenty of 3rd party utilities do this even in Win2K. I like MagicDisc


Can start programs faster
Are you sure about this? I know there are improvements to the default boot process, but I haven't seen anything about apps starting quicker once you are booted.

Runs on less resources
This is true. It seems well optimized for lower powered systems, which makes sense with the tablet push.

Runs games better (more fps)
Depends what game. There are some where 7 is getting better benchmarks, although I would say 8 is beating in most. Always within 10% with the exception of BF4.

*Will get updates win 7 wont (dx)
THIS is the only reason I would consider eventually trying it again, after a nightmarish first round trying to get Win8 or 8.1 RTM to fully work right on a Haswell desktop. Not DX specifically, but future non-security updates past Jan 2015 in general.

Also, you lose Media Center (unless you pay for Pro + another $10, and even after paying that the feature set is in some ways reduced vs. Win 7 MC), and break compatibility with a lot of things, although compatibility will gradually get better.
 

Torn Mind

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Windows 8 system builder OEM because it has the cheapest legal transferable license out there and you have a free upgrade to 8.1.

XP SP2 is dead and a security risk. Run it in a VM if you still really need it.

Losing the start menu does not mean you lost the things you did with the start menu.

"Type in and search" is still there in the start screen.
Control Panel is accessed through the charm bar with a similar number of movements. So is shut down.
Right clicking the start button bypasses the Control Panel for certain things and you'll find Run, command prompt(both current user and admin)
 

CA19100

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So, anyway, Which way would you go? 7 or 8.1?

I'd go with 8.1. The "missing start button" is a non-issue; in both 7 and 8, the action is the same: click in the lower-left corner or hit the Windows key. It's the start menu being removed that caused a lot of the issues.

I gave the new start screen an honest try for two months, and still hate it on a desktop machine. My solution? I simply never use it. 95% of my program launches are either clicking an icon on the taskbar (most common), or tapping the Windows key and typing part of a program name and hitting return.

If you think you'd use the start menu more, the $5 Start8 is excellent, and has a 30-day free trial. Although with the new menu available by right-clicking the lower-left corner, you probably don't even need to bother with an add-on anymore. (One of the biggest hassles I had with 8.0 was the contortions required to get to the stupid Sleep and Shut Down commands. The right-click menu in 8.1 has those available easily again.)

I hated 8.0, and ended up going back to 7 after a couple of months. For me, 8.1 fixed all the little quirks about 8.0 that were preventing me from using it. Windows update is massively improved in that I hardly ever need to even look at it. It can all work in the background. Much of the system is faster, the built-in backup utility is simpler, and so on.

I still think the start screen was misguided on anything other than a touchscreen, but I can live in the familiar desktop environment with no issues. (It looks almost identical to 7, minus some rounded corners.) For me, all the advantages of the updated OS outweigh the UI mess that is the Metro/Modern UI. Since I rarely see that side anyway, it's a very small con for a lot of big pros.
 

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I still miss the classic Explorer from XP, but the Explorer in Windows 8/8.1 goes a LONG way to fixing all the things that Vista broke.
* Toggling hidden items in 8: 2 mouse clicks. Toggling hidden items in 7: a keypress, a bunch of mouse clicks (I think it was 7 when I counted?) and a bunch of mouse movement in between.
* Toggling between details and thumbnail view in 8: 1 mouse click. Toggling between these in 7: 2 clicks. (I switch back and forth a LOT when managing photos.)
* The status bar is back.
* The detailed information pane is now off to the side, which makes better use of excess horizontal pixels and saves vertical pixels, and because there is more space, a lot more information can be shown. This alone right here made me want to ditch Windows 7.
* The most common complaint that I see (since you didn't bother to even explain why you dislike the new File Explorer) is that the ribbon takes up too much space, but that's only if you leave it expanded all the time. By default, it's minimized, and clicking on a tab doesn't expand it permanently, so it behaves a lot like a menubar. If you use it like a toolbar, then, yea, it's space inefficient, but who the heck actually made use of Explorer's toolbar? In Windows 7, I used keyboard shortcuts for common things like copying/pasting/etc. and then had to go menu-digging for the more advanced (and far less frequent) things. The toolbar was completely useless. In 8, the ribbon is, as I said, more like a menubar, except more convenient and capable. Oh, and the search tab fixes much (though not all) of the biggest Explorer regression from XP to Vista. I honestly can't think of a single reason how 8's Explorer is worse than 7's, and for me, the single biggest reason I use 8/8.1 is the new File Explorer.

Me too. Given how much time I spend in file explorer, those features you mention are worth solid gold.

Aero (as in the GPU-accelerated compositor) is now always-on; the old fallback system's been completely axed. So I get Aero inside a VM. I get Aero over RD. I get Aero even when I play Blu-Rays (which used to kick me into Basic on 7)

About time too. GDI(+) has been here far too long.
 

code65536

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I still think the start screen was misguided on anything other than a touchscreen

I used to think that, too.

I don't like digging through menus or typing because that was too slow--I like being able to launch something with just one or two clicks, so the programs that I use, I pin. On Windows 7, this meant a dozen items on the taskbar and so many pinned items on the start menu that it nearly reached the top of my screen (which was a lot, as I have 1080 vertical pixels to work with). On Windows XP, it meant that my desktop was littered with program icons.

On Windows 8, I unpinned every Metro app (except for weather, since that's genuinely useful) and pinned every single desktop app that I had installed (along with shortcuts to things like the root of my user profile, which used to be a part of the Start Menu); with 1920x1080 pixels, I can divide everything into neat groups and have it all fit in one screen), so now every program that I use can be launched with, at most, two clicks. No menu digging, no need to move my hand off the mouse to type, no need to fill half my desktop with program icons. And that's how I went from hating the Start Screen to realizing that it actually worked better than the Start Menu.
 

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I used to think that, too.

I don't like digging through menus or typing because that was too slow--I like being able to launch something with just one or two clicks, so the programs that I use, I pin. On Windows 7, this meant a dozen items on the taskbar and so many pinned items on the start menu that it nearly reached the top of my screen (which was a lot, as I have 1080 vertical pixels to work with). On Windows XP, it meant that my desktop was littered with program icons.

On Windows 8, I unpinned every Metro app (except for weather, since that's genuinely useful) and pinned every single desktop app that I had installed (along with shortcuts to things like the root of my user profile, which used to be a part of the Start Menu); with 1920x1080 pixels, I can divide everything into neat groups and have it all fit in one screen), so now every program that I use can be launched with, at most, two clicks. No menu digging, no need to move my hand off the mouse to type, no need to fill half my desktop with program icons. And that's how I went from hating the Start Screen to realizing that it actually worked better than the Start Menu.

So instead of a start menu that almost reaches the top of your screen, you now have an entire screen full of apps? I am glad you think that is more organized.
 

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Thanks all for all the replies. I had to wait to get back to work to reply. Just for future reference, The Anandtech forums don't show work in IE6.
 
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