Which would you buy? Win 7 or Win 8.1?

[code65536]

Faustian, gratuitous crap which insults our intelligence as individuals

ROTFL.

(Do you even understand what those words mean?)

Windows 8 enhanced the user experience for power users: improved Explorer, under-the-hood changes, axing the old window manager, power-user menu, etc.

Windows 8 offers a new UI for casual, consumptive touch-based users.

These coexist and are not replacements for each other. Hell, Sinofsky himself said that desktop users will probably spend most of their time on the desktop. So why are traditional desktop users judging the OS based on features that they don't have to use? Don't like Metro? Fine, don't use it. Desktop's still there. But it sure is nice to have the option to play a tablet game on my desktop or to open a command prompt on my tablet.

It's a bloody tempest in a teapot here.

 

[Virgorising]

ROTFL.

(Do you even understand what those words mean?)

For me, just normal discourse. What I DON'T understand, is why anyone would ask. I mean it.

As for the rest of your post, I believe, pasted directly from MS. Are U an unwitting agent of their ad agency?

Re tempest in a teapot, methinks, that shoe don fit. At least not for anyone discerning.
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Edit: I will now count MS among those who get that shoe don fit, as sales of 7 continue to rise, now far above sales of 8. This, despite the usual deals they cut with new hardware Mfgs.

Addendum re the above edit: http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

 

[CRCSUX]

...Edit: I will now count MS among those who get that shoe don fit, as sales of 7 continue to rise, now far above sales of 8. This, despite the usual deals they cut with new hardware Mfgs.

Addendum re the above edit: http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

I wonder why they put windows 8 and 8.1 separate segment in the graph?

Seems a little dishonest.

 

[Virgorising]

I wonder why they put windows 8 and 8.1 separate segment in the graph?

Seems a little dishonest.

Dishonest? I think, the opposite: meticulous, and so, engendering trust. Anyone moved can combine 8.1 with 8. Still don add up to much.

It's a pie chart, by the way. And we are free to chose which slice we wanna eat.
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Edit: re choosing the pie slice we want: I will always choose the one with the least amount of refined carbs.

 

[CRCSUX]

Dishonest? I think, the opposite: meticulous, and so, engendering trust. Anyone moved can combine 8.1 with 8. Still don add up to much.

It's a pie chart, by the way. And we are free to chose which slice we wanna eat.

Why not be consistent then? Split windows 7 into win 7 and win 7 sp1? And split xp in 4

 

[Virgorising]

Why not be consistent then? Split windows 7 into win 7 and win 7 sp1? And split xp in 4

It is ENTIRELY consistent. Also, accurate. MS did not release 8.1 as a service pack.

An MS Service Pack is simply a roll up of hotfixes/patches re a given OS. It does not comprise the kind of changes 8.1 does.
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Late edit:
Microsoft Windows 8.1 Review - Watch CNET's Video Review

The text is where the data are, not in the video, re the above.

 

[CRCSUX]

From the cnet review

"the OS is hard to use without a touch screen"

I think we can safely ignore anything this author had to say about an os after that comment.

 

[Cygnus X1]

If your machine has touch install 8.1 if not install 7. Nuff Said.

 

[Virgorising]

From the cnet review

"the OS is hard to use without a touch screen"

I think we can safely ignore anything this author had to say about an os after that comment.

As expected re yr criticism of that meticulous pie chart separating 8 from 8.1, now you are throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

 

[Virgorising]

If your machine has touch install 8.1 if not install 7. Nuff Said.

Thing is, most do not. And most serious users of PCs choose not.

 

[CRCSUX]

As expected re yr criticism of that meticulous pie chart separating 8 from 8.1, now you are throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

How can anyone say with a straight face that using 8.1 without touch is hard?.

They are obviously not technical ppl or more likely didn't give it a fair go.

So if the author doesn't know much about computers or doesn't give the thing hes reviewing a fair chance we can safely ignore what hes saying right?

 

[bbhaag]

If your machine has touch install 8.1 if not install 7. Nuff Said.

Maybe if you're using a Surface or smaller netbook I would agree with you but in a desktop/laptop setting that is not true.

Win8.1 works surprisingly well with a mouse and keyboard. So much so that I quickly went back to using a mouse and keyboard even though my desktop supports touch interface.

 

[Virgorising]

How can anyone say with a straight face that using 8.1 without touch is hard?.

They are obviously not technical ppl or more likely didn't give it a fair go.

So if the author doesn't know much about computers or doesn't give the thing hes reviewing a fair chance we can safely ignore what hes saying right?

Clearly, U need to think what you need to think. In school, did U not learn that no source is inviolate in every detail? Did u not learn to read thoroughly and not form cavalier, self serving conclusions?

YOU, who, without shame railed against the pie chart properly differentiating between 8 and 8.1? Saying so, then, they should have divided XP into 4 sections? SERIOUSLY?

The author has a discerning sensibility, viable perspective and offers accurate specifics. READ THE WHOLE THING. Ironic that someone as facile as you in addressing this, is criticizing the author of that piece!

It's the glass house syndrome. Always good to make sure you don't live in one before you start throwing the stones.

 

[CRCSUX]

Clearly, U need to think what you need to think. In school, did U not learn that no source is inviolate in every detail? Did u not learn to read thoroughly and not form cavalier, self serving conclusions?

The author has a discerning sensibility, viable perspective and offers accurate specifics. READ THE WHOLE THING. Ironic that someone as facile as you in addressing this, is criticizing the author of that piece!

It's the glass house syndrome.

Yes how dare I cherrypick something, I should leave that to pros such as yourself.

The simple fact remains windows 8.1 without touch is very capable to capable people. You cant cope with it? Seems like a personal shortcoming not an os fault.

 

[Virgorising]

Yes how dare I cherrypick something, I should leave that to pros such as yourself.

The simple fact remains windows 8.1 without touch is very capable to capable people. You cant cope with it? Seems like a personal shortcoming not an os fault.

Thinking for even one nano, anyone should lump windows 8 with windows 8.1 in a pie chart.......hardly certifies you as a worthy farm worker in the cherry pickin specialty.:whiste:

Finis.

 

[JEDIYoda]

For me, just normal discourse.

Normal as in you normally use words you don`t understand??

 

[Virgorising]

Maybe if you're using a Surface or smaller netbook I would agree with you but in a desktop/laptop setting that is not true.

Win8.1 works surprisingly well with a mouse and keyboard. So much so that I quickly went back to using a mouse and keyboard even though my desktop supports touch interface.

MS messes up. That over time, they have managed to dominate the marketplace worldwide, largely because of infinite litigation and the money to support it, is what it is.

But they are also not morons, and so, no way would they mess up to the extent they would release ANY OS, wherein someone would have trouble using a mouse and KB, given, touch screen will never approach that accuracy. If they did, their shareholders, many bearing rocket launchers and assault rifles, would organize and surround their headquarters.

And so, the phrase which leapt out at me re yr post was:
"surprisingly well."

 

[Virgorising]

Normal as in you normally use words you don`t understand??

It is obviously not I who does not understand them. Proper usage ends that wishful thinking postulation. Shadow boxing with a symbolic (not actual) enemy, for reasons it seems you do not get, is just bad cardio and a colossal waste of life minutes.

What is this? Pre school in the projects? Not to mention, off topic pre school.

 

[bbhaag]

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And so, the phrase which leapt out at me re yr post was:
"surprisingly well."

A lot of people are under the impression that in order to fully use Win8/8.1 in a desktop/laptop environment that a touch screen is necessary.
That is why I used the term "surprisingly well" because a lot of people are uniformed about Microsofts new OS and how it works.
You are to if I'm not mistaken.

snip....
I just came upon below, and it, more than anything so far, speaks my take on W8:

Posted 01 July 2013 - 04:05 AM
And here's one reason why it's completely insane to use Windows 8 at all, at least on the PC:

Touch on a PC is about as useful as teats on a boar hog. Actually, less useful. Does Microsoft really expect 100 million CAD/CAM designers, accountants, and other industrial content makers to hold their arms up horizontally all day inaccurately poking smudges on their 42" monitors with their fat fingers, working at 1/100th the speed as before Windows 8 with 1000 times the physical effort, in the mean time destroying their neck and shoulder girdle for life?

Touch is an extremely low bandwidth input method with horrendous inaccuracy and extremely harmful ergonomics when compared to a keyboard and mouse. Touch might be ok for looking up the latest cat video, or tweeting, texting, or talking, but that's about it.

 

[Virgorising]

A lot of people are under the impression that in order to fully use Win8/8.1 in a desktop/laptop environment that a touch screen is necessary.
That is why I used the term "surprisingly well" because a lot of people are uniformed about Microsofts new OS and how it works.
You are to if I'm not mistaken.

OK, help me out here: precisely what part of what I pasted in another thread, confirming my take re W8 (which I tested early on), and which you quote above, would have you believe I am "uninformed" about Windows 8?

Or, EVER thought, including before it was released and until Globlal Warming gets us all, that in this life, MS, on its worst day would ever consider writing an OS for PCs not mouse/KB friendly???????

Seriously, what EVER lead you to think that??????????

And, "a lot of people" includes nobody I know, and for SURE, no member of this site, given the level of puter savviness which marks most, if not all of its active members.

Now focus: what do you think was the modus vivendi for MS investing the time and the money to write Windows 8 (however sad the lack of judgement that reflected is, tho nothing Faustian can reflect sound judgement)?

 

[bbhaag]

OK, help me out here: precisely what part of what I pasted in another thread, confirming my take re W8 (which I tested early on), and which you quote above, would have you believe I am "uninformed" about Windows 8?

This part.

snip....
I just came upon below, and it, more than anything so far, speaks my take on W8:

Posted 01 July 2013 - 04:05 AM
And here's one reason why it's completely insane to use Windows 8 at all, at least on the PC:

Touch on a PC is about as useful as teats on a boar hog. Actually, less useful. Does Microsoft really expect 100 million CAD/CAM designers, accountants, and other industrial content makers to hold their arms up horizontally all day inaccurately poking smudges on their 42" monitors with their fat fingers, working at 1/100th the speed as before Windows 8 with 1000 times the physical effort, in the mean time destroying their neck and shoulder girdle for life?

Touch is an extremely low bandwidth input method with horrendous inaccuracy and extremely harmful ergonomics when compared to a keyboard and mouse. Touch might be ok for looking up the latest cat video, or tweeting, texting, or talking, but that's about it.

 

[Virgorising]

This part.

Not one thing in that quote suggests the normal use of a mouse and a KB is PRECLUDED in Windows 8!

It is the abject uselessness of touch screen for PC users which is being dramatized. It is how unimaginably GRATUITOUS (and so INSULTING) it is which is being illustrated.

Edit: It just struck me, many broad brush snobs, esp those who build their own rigs, impugn the proprietary glut loaded with most commericially built PCs. I hate that gratuitous stuff too. Another reason (tho not a principal one) I only get used but in perfect condition Dell Optiplex work stations for my desktops, as they have none of it; they are mainly built for businesses.

BUT, the very people who rail against THAT gratuitous, insulting crap, however innocuous objectively, I think, are among those right HERE virulently defending Windows 8, where the inherent crap could win a trophy (tho a really ugly, cheap, pot metal one!!!!

 

[bbhaag]

Hey sweetheart I'm just quoting your own words. If you don't get how Microsofts new OS works don't feel bad. You're not the only one.

 

[Virgorising]

Hey sweetheart I'm just quoting your own words. If you don't get how Microsofts new OS works don't feel bad. You're not the only one.

You are not quoting my words; pls take the obliterating flowers out of you ear and eyes, so you can GET I pasted data from outside sources. Did those data echo my own first hand conclusions about the OS. which I SAID CLEARLY? Indeed they did! But I only even went to look for such AFTER. Over a YEAR after.

And, when you are out of gas, which face it, you are now, doing Yo Mama and trying to crash the boards (no pun intended but I just smiled anyhow) speaks desperation and don earn respect/credibility cept if U R a Blood or a Crip, and they are all about desperation anyhow.

Bet U R better than that. Just manifest health and elegance and say "I stand corrected." Course, that might make you have to rethink yr signature.

 

[Mem]

Hey sweetheart I'm just quoting your own words. If you don't get how Microsofts new OS works don't feel bad. You're not the only one.

I think you guys are missing the point,Win8/8.1 is about a new modern hybrid OS that can accomodate any hardware, you can use it like I do with just a mouse and keyboard or touch etc ,down to you so your choice,desktop OS of the old days is becoming a relic with the old design,it also has a lot more modern competition,desktop PC users are no longer the main kid on the block whether you like it or not.

It's no longer about liking or disliking but about going in a new modern direction for Microsoft,sort of like how hardware goes in a different direction and sooner or later changes.

We all embrace changes in hardware , software is just as much a part of that,pretty sure the old desktop UI days are very much numbered for the future so that leaves you with either accepting the new direction or going over to the competiton etc..


End of the day PC desktop users should be use to all this,its been happening for decades,DOS,Win3.0 etc are all relics of the past.

Revamp was long overdue,how are guys really surprised?..I was not,I also expect things to change and get revamped again down the road.


I look back at my old DOS 6.22 days or even Sinclair ZX/Commodore 64 for those old guys here and think how things have moved in different directions ,regardless its nothing new.

One old happy PC user here.