Which would you buy? Win 7 or Win 8.1?

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bbhaag

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You are not quoting my words
; pls take the obliterating flowers out of you ear and eyes, so you can GET I pasted data from outside sources. Did those data echo my own first hand conclusions about the OS. which I SAID CLEARLY? Indeed they did! But I only even went to look for such AFTER. Over a YEAR after.

And, when you are out of gas, which face it, you are now, doing Yo Mama and trying to crash the boards (no pun intended but I just smiled anyhow) speaks desperation and don earn respect/credibility cept if U R a Blood or a Crip, and they are all about desperation anyhow.

Bet U R better than that. Just manifest health and elegance and say "I stand corrected." Course, that might make you have to rethink yr signature.
 

bbhaag

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I think you guys are missing the point,Win8/8.1 is about a new modern hybrid OS that can accomodate any hardware, you can use it like I do with just a mouse and keyboard or touch etc ,down to you so your choice,desktop OS of the old days is becoming a relic with the old design,it also has a lot more modern competition,desktop PC users are no longer the main kid on the block whether you like it or not.

It's no longer about liking or disliking but about going in a new modern direction for Microsoft,sort of like how hardware goes in a different direction and sooner or later changes.

We all embrace changes in hardware , software is just as much a part of that,pretty sure the old desktop UI days are very much numbered for the future so that leaves you with either accepting the new direction or going over to the competiton etc..


End of the day PC desktop users should be use to all this,its been happening for decades,DOS,Win3.0 etc are all relics of the past.

Revamp was long overdue,how are guys really surprised?..I was not,I also expect things to change and get revamped again down the road.


I look back at my old DOS 6.22 days or even Sinclair ZX/Commodore 64 for those old guys here and think how things have moved in different directions ,regardless its nothing new.

One old happy PC user here.


No I understand it just fine. Microsoft needs a cross platform OS so that they can break into the mobile phone and tablet markets. Unfortunately Microsoft is once again late to the party because Android and iOS have a strong foothold already.
 

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No I understand it just fine. Microsoft needs a cross platform OS so that they can break into the mobile phone and tablet markets. Unfortunately Microsoft is once again late to the party because Android and iOS have a strong foothold already.


To be fair somebody has to be late to the party,as for being late you have to ask Microsoft why they waited so long,end of the day its just another new area where they can focus on to try and compete against the competition etc...
 

bbhaag

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Thats fine I guess but usually when a big company is late in getting into a certain market they tend to half ass the products they are trying to push in order to get them out faster.

Honestly I don't find Win8/8.1 bad at all. I find it really easy to use once you get used to it but there is a learning curve. I just make stupid blanket statements about it like on the previous pages because people are so passionate about a product that many of them haven't even used.
 

Virgorising

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No I understand it just fine. Microsoft needs a cross platform OS so that they can break into the mobile phone and tablet markets. Unfortunately Microsoft is once again late to the party because Android and iOS have a strong foothold already.


THEY DID NOT NEED IT. They are opportunists, often without integrity, so they simply saw WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS AN OPEN WINDOW, (no pun intended again, but it's kinda cute), hallucinated bars of gold on the other side, and in their overweening greed, their vision was compromised shamefully: they failed to get what is obvious: serious PC users would not go for it, and, I submit, for all the reasons I delineated. Hence, the stats re sales, hence, the hurry up and try to alienate fewer consumers and write Windows 8.1.
 
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Thats fine I guess but usually when a big company is late in getting into a certain market they tend to half ass the products they are trying to push in order to get them out faster.

Honestly I don't find Win8/8.1 bad at all. I find it really easy to use once you get used to it but there is a learning curve. I just make stupid blanket statements about it like on the previous pages because people are so passionate about a product that many of them haven't even used.


I always thought it was both but more their hardware side being a bit more more late to the party,when Win8 was released they did not really have a lot of tablets out unlike the competition,obviously now they can concentrate on both hardware tablet side and Win9 down the road.

Every OS has some sort of learning curve,Win8 being their first hybrid OS you can argue had a little more then normal, to be expected due to previous operating systems by Microsoft being desktop only.

I also think any person now should accept things will change quite often in modern times,disliking and liking is normal but we should all accept companies will do whats in their best interest ,progress and changes comes in many forms, whether its hardware or software it waits for no-one.
 

Virgorising

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I think you guys are missing the point,Win8/8.1 is about a new modern hybrid OS that can accomodate any hardware, you can use it like I do with just a mouse and keyboard or touch etc ,down to you so your choice,desktop OS of the old days is becoming a relic with the old design,it also has a lot more modern competition,desktop PC users are no longer the main kid on the block whether you like it or not.

It's no longer about liking or disliking but about going in a new modern direction for Microsoft,sort of like how hardware goes in a different direction and sooner or later changes.

We all embrace changes in hardware , software is just as much a part of that,pretty sure the old desktop UI days are very much numbered for the future so that leaves you with either accepting the new direction or going over to the competiton etc..


End of the day PC desktop users should be use to all this,its been happening for decades,DOS,Win3.0 etc are all relics of the past.

Revamp was long overdue,how are guys really surprised?..I was not,I also expect things to change and get revamped again down the road.


I look back at my old DOS 6.22 days or even Sinclair ZX/Commodore 64 for those old guys here and think how things have moved in different directions ,regardless its nothing new.

One old happy PC user here.



First, heartfelt thanks for offering opinions with thoughtfulness and literacy, class, and (thank God, cause WUT????) no pathetic infant personal attacks.

But....MODERN never means better. In commerce, new, when it is is not properly evolved, can be a total disaster. Those, most often, are rabid greed based attempts at exploitation which belie everything viable or worthy. What is polar opposite to RESPONDING to the marketplace? Trying to FORCE something ill conceived on the marketplace.

Re hybrid, in this case, it should be clear what the marketplace wants, and for obvious reasons, is to celebrate touch on our phones, ebook readers, and tablets.......but not appropriate for serious PC users.

In nature, hybrids are healthier and stronger than overbred purebreds who often have inherent genetic issues. Same deal in breeding orchids (I grow orchids) re species vs hybrids. The upsides of hybrid reflect the natural world evolving organically, and insure a more diverse, and so richer/healthier gene pool.

But in no way is there any analogy re the above health re hybrids in nature with MS trying to maximize profits by missing the obvious. Quite the opposite.

Hard to believe they did any market research or even focus groups. Tho to anyone clear, it should have been obvious from the Get.

Reminds me: I would never buy a multifunction peripheral. I stick with stand alone. I did not come to that capriciously either, and the decision serves me well.
 
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Virgorising

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I always thought it was both but more their hardware side being a bit more more late to the party,when Win8 was released they did not really have a lot of tablets out unlike the competition,obviously now they can concentrate on both hardware tablet side and Win9 down the road.

Every OS has some sort of learning curve,Win8 being their first hybrid OS you can argue had a little more then normal, to be expected due to previous operating systems by Microsoft being desktop only.

I also think any person now should accept things will change quite often in modern times,disliking and liking is normal but we should all accept companies will do whats in their best interest ,progress and changes comes in many forms, whether its hardware or software it waits for no-one.


Forgive me, but you are missing something nuclear and foundational: Capitalism, when it is manifesting its true potential, centers on the CONSUMER RULING THE MARKETPLACE and so, deciding what succeeds and what fails. Not business running smoke and mirrors and spending a fortune on slick TV and print spots, trying to create dissatisfaction in malleable humans with this week's model to foster lust for next weeks model.

That is the healthy heart of the Capitalism model. WE the consumers, are posed to be THE DECIDERS. But that depends always on discerning consumers who are behind the wheel of their vehicles and not in the back seat or the trunk.

How many times have I found myself posting right here: do not become an unwitting slave to commerce? All slavery is The Worst.
 
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Forgive me, but you are missing something nuclear and foundational: Capitalism, when it is manifesting its true potential, centers on the CONSUMER RULING THE MARKETPLACE and so, deciding what succeeds and what fails. Not business running smoke and mirrors and spending a fortune on slick TV and print spots, trying to create dissatisfaction in malleable humans with this week's model to foster lust for next weeks model.

That is the healthy heart of the Capitalism model. WE the consumers, are posed to be THE DECIDERS. But that depends always on discerning consumers who are behind the wheel of their vehicles and not in the back seat or the trunk.

How many times have I found myself posting right here: do not become an unwitting slave to commerce? All slavery is The Worst.


You are missing the point,you are not forced ,was I forced to use WinME or any Windows you can name?...no I was not,end of the day consumers buy what they want,but that does not take away the fact that companies will always act in their best interest and make changes etc when they think its best for them,future is always a bit of an unknown however there is always competition of one sort or another,as a desktop/gamer user myself I can understand why Microsoft have gone in this direction.


Try not to think about yourself only but how companies think,you see its a different ball game then,right or wrong does not come into it.
 
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Virgorising

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To be fair somebody has to be late to the party,as for being late you have to ask Microsoft why they waited so long,end of the day its just another new area where they can focus on to try and compete against the competition etc...

The competition? U mean in the ginormous PC---not smart phones, not tablets, not ebook readers--- arena? Cause that is what we are addressing here, yes?

Seeing the important differences between PCs and what humans use them for and all the other devices some people think, are convinced are cool. (Know I luv my phone and my ebook reader and would not be without either, cause both are SERIOUSLY USEFUL. But a tablet? A combo lappy and tablet? No way.

There's some TV spot for some I can be everything to U! device, don even know the Mfg....basically a tablet, comes with a sad little separate KB made of handi wipes, they exult and scream, this is the ONLY DEVICE U will evah need! U can load MS Office and so, do SERIOUS WORK!!!!!

PT Barnum is wild with laughter in his grave.
 
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Virgorising

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You are missing the point,you are not forced ,was I forced to use WinME?...no I was not,end of the day consumers buy what they want,but that does not take away the fact that companies will always act in their best interest and make changes etc when they think its best for them.

What is best for business---ANY business, is to BUILD A BETTER MOUSETRAP. Not a newer mousetrap, a BETTER mousetrap.

That, is precisely what MS missed here. And predictably, they are paying the price.
 
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Aldon

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I'd buy Windows 7 at any time. I don't even understand how Microsoft came to the idea to make operating systems more visual, window-based, and somewhat... completely different right away.
 

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What is best for business---ANY business, is to BUILD A BETTER MOUSETRAP. Not a newer mousetrap, a BETTER mousetrap.

That, is precisely what MS missed here. And predictably, they are paying the price.

Personally, I find Win8.1 to be better in just about every way. It's not perfect but neither is Win7, Android, iOS, Linux, or any OS.

I think MS is ahead of the game here. Eventually PCs, phone's, tablets, smart watches, etc will share a common interface.

Apple has slowly been iOS-ifying OS X (that's a mouthful) for awhile now. Android is creeping towards PCs. Microsoft jumped right in and unified both, whether that will work for them is unknown.
 

evident

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good lord. i just got my sister a laptop for christmas and in process of setting it up. this is my first experience with windows 8.1, coming from using windows 7 the last few years. it's totally unintuitive and hard to figure out having never used it before. what the hell was MS smoking when they created this OS? How did they expect computer illiterate people to transition from windows 7 to something like this?

I still cant even figure out how to multi task yet without always going back to the full start screen. instead of chugging along and installing apps for my sis im trying to figure out how this all works.

this is really sad...
 

Berryracer

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good lord. i just got my sister a laptop for christmas and in process of setting it up. this is my first experience with windows 8.1, coming from using windows 7 the last few years. it's totally unintuitive and hard to figure out having never used it before. what the hell was MS smoking when they created this OS? How did they expect computer illiterate people to transition from windows 7 to something like this?

I still cant even figure out how to multi task yet without always going back to the full start screen. instead of chugging along and installing apps for my sis im trying to figure out how this all works.

this is really sad...
just install StartIsBack and it's exactly like Windows 7
 

Berryracer

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i guess, but the point i think i was trying to make was that the average user shouldnt have to install a third party app to the OS work, they should have a positive experience right out of the box.

Im with you on this 100%, but as end users, what else can we do? sit and cry at Microsoft and nothing will happen or pay $2 USD for a decent start menu app and get over it
 

flexy

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i guess, but the point i think i was trying to make was that the average user shouldnt have to install a third party app to the OS work, they should have a positive experience right out of the box.

EXACTLY. The funny thing is, 8.1 can work/look like 7 and you NEVER have to even see "start". (Eg. by installing "classing shell").

Why MS chose to deliberately screw over desktop users is beyond me. Because support for mobile/touch does NOT automatically mean needing to spit in desktop user's face.

They even had A SECOND chance with 8.1...they had all the complains...and still only made a half-ass solution with 8.1

Uhh..let me guess...because without the ugly abomination which "start" is....8.1/8 would look just like a slightly "enhanced" 7....so they are unable to sell it as a "new" OS ??? (my 8.1 now looks and feels like 7 as well..hard to tell it even IS an entirely new OS)
 

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EXACTLY. The funny thing is, 8.1 can work/look like 7 and you NEVER have to even see "start". (Eg. by installing "classing shell").

Why MS chose to deliberately screw over desktop users is beyond me. Because support for mobile/touch does NOT automatically mean needing to spit in desktop user's face.

They even had A SECOND chance with 8.1...they had all the complains...and still only made a half-ass solution with 8.1

Uhh..let me guess...because without the ugly abomination which "start" is....8.1/8 would look just like a slightly "enhanced" 7....so they are unable to sell it as a "new" OS ??? (my 8.1 now looks and feels like 7 as well..hard to tell it even IS an entirely new OS)

Win9 should be interesting then from UI point of view,however even if they went to a Win7 UI you would always get somebody complaining about something.

I see Win9 sticking with a hybrid OS but probably new features and refinement in the UI.

As to changes and things being removed etc well I got use to that since my favourite DOS 6.22 went the way of the dodo so nothing new there.
I also wonder what Linux will come up with in the near future.
 
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Bradtech519

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I just upgraded to Windows 8.1 Pro from Windows 7 Pro. I have no regrets at all. I switch back and forth between Modern UI and Desktop. The install went quick off a USB flash drive. It feels a little bit quicker, and I like the improvements to task manager. I like the arrow down/swipe down in modern UI to reveal all the programs/apps installed. It's kind of like what the Start Button used to do if you are looking for something. I only paid $69.99 because of an .edu email address. I do like it better than Windows 8 which I held off on upgrading my desktop to. Modern UI doesn't really bother me much. Some stuff I prefer accessing through the desktop based web browser over apps in the market place that lack some functionality. If you hate Modern UI just boot to desktop, and install classic shell to enjoy the under the hood performance improvements. I'm in the minority which actually likes Modern UI even on my desktop as long as I can get back to Desktop. Either way Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 are both good operating systems. I still run windows 7 on my laptop either one should serve you well.
 

Maximilian

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Probably 8.1

Dont get me wrong its a POS, having to install your own start menu is the lamest thing, but its newer and has DX 11.1/11.2
 

monkeydelmagico

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I am not a fan of the Win 8 interface and had alot of difficulty making it work. That being said I appreciate the efforts to make a unified OS that crosses platforms. I just wish my brain could figure it out and use it more intuitively. I'm getting too old to accept re-programming from my computer overlords. I get random memory freezes, re-boots, and occasional fits of nostalgia.

For those of us who have labored and loved such arcaic and unfriendly relics as VAX, DOS, and UNIX this should be a piece of cake, right? Right......
 

Seba

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Which one I would want to use: Windows 7.

Which one I would want to buy: Windows 8.1. Because here it is almost half the price (Windows 8.1 non-Pro FPP/Retail compared with Windows 7 Home Premium FPP/Retail).
 
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