White Florida deputy shoots black man who witnesses say had hands up

JEDIYoda

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Here we go again...

When are we going to stop allowing cops a free ride when they obviously used excessive force or reverted to their training to lie and say I thought he had a gun??

None of us as citizen could get away what Cops get away with on a daily basis!

In fact did you know it is legal for the Police to lie to you but if you lie to a cop you can get in trouble...and YES people do lie all the time, but it does not make wjhat I said any less true!!

http://news.yahoo.com/white-florida-deputy-shoots-black-man-witnesses-had-004052289.html


ORLANDO, Fla. (Reuters) - A Florida sheriff called for calm after a 28-year-old unarmed black man in a stolen car was shot and critically wounded early on Monday by a white officer, after witness reports that the man had his hands up and amid racially charged protests nationwide about police violence.

"I ask everyone to not rush to judgment and allow the investigation to be completed," Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings said at a news conference in Orlando.

Demings, who himself is African American and was surrounded by six religious leaders from the black community, said investigators have found some eyewitness accounts that conflict with that of the officer involved.

Witnesses at the apartment complex said that the men had their hands up when the deputy opened fire, according to local media reports.

Cities across the United States have seen major protests in recent days after grand juries declined to indict anyone in the deaths of two unarmed black men at the hands of white police officers in New York and Ferguson, Missouri.


After locating a stolen car at an apartment complex just after midnight on Monday, Sergeant Robert McCarthy fired three shots, one of which hit Cedric Bartee.

Demings said Bartee failed to comply with McCarthy's commands and "made extensive furtive movements," making the deputy fear for his safety.

Bartee underwent surgery and was in stable but critical condition late in the afternoon, the sheriff said. A second man in the car was arrested unhurt.

The shooting also comes only a few days after a 32-year-old Latino man was shot and killed in a car by an Orlando detective investigating a burglary. Police said the detective opened fire after he saw Alejandro Noel Cordero had a gun.

On Monday Demings said he was trying to be transparent in holding the press conference "because of the backdrop of everything happening in the country at this time."

He added: "It's concerning to me" how the public might react.

Bartee had a history of arrests on at least 45 charges since 1999, according to a list provided by the sheriff, but the deputy was not aware of his background at the time of the shooting, Demings said.

McCarthy has been reassigned to administrative duties for at least a week, and the shooting is being investigated by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement as part of a standard procedure. The FDLE is also investigating Cordero's shooting.
 

Remobz

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The Black man will become an extinct race in the USA only read about in History books..lol!
 

pcgeek11

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The headline should read:

White Florida deputy shoots black man who SOME witnesses say had hands up

Demings, who himself is African American and was surrounded by six religious leaders from the black community, said investigators have found some eyewitness accounts that conflict with that of the officer involved.
 

railer

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ROFL: Bartee had a history of arrests on at least 45 charges since 1999, according to a list provided by the sheriff, but the deputy was not aware of his background at the time of the shooting, Demings said.

I'll bet my 401k that this idiot did NOT have his hands up, and probably deserved to be shot.
 

Meghan54

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ROFL: Bartee had a history of arrests on at least 45 charges since 1999, according to a list provided by the sheriff, but the deputy was not aware of his background at the time of the shooting, Demings said.

I'll bet my 401k that this idiot did NOT have his hands up, and probably deserved to be shot.


You sound like Mike Ditka: "I don't know exactly what did happen, but I know that's not what happened.."
 

pcgeek11

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No, actually he is just playing the odds.

If I was a betting man, I would also lean this way.
 

Jaepheth

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When you see the enemy mage start casting you gotta use your projectile to go for the interrupt.
 

compuwiz1

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So he was in a stolen car. Nope, not a criminal at all. I'll wait for the rest of the investigation to unfold and not rush to judgement. What I can say is people need to stop attracting attention to themselves by breaking laws. Maybe there won't be so much of this going on?
 

JEDIYoda

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So he was in a stolen car. Nope, not a criminal at all. I'll wait for the rest of the investigation to unfold and not rush to judgement. What I can say is people need to stop attracting attention to themselves by breaking laws. Maybe there won't be so much of this going on?

criminals have no rights..hmmm
 

shortylickens

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So he was in a stolen car. Nope, not a criminal at all. I'll wait for the rest of the investigation to unfold and not rush to judgement. What I can say is people need to stop attracting attention to themselves by breaking laws. Maybe there won't be so much of this going on?

You arent allowed to shoot a thief when he's unarmed and not acting threateningly.

Of course, its possible in the above case the guy DID have a weapon.

I've noticed lately the news has a habit of omitting details to make a story seem more interesting and generate buzz.
 

compuwiz1

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criminals have no rights..hmmm

Not my point at all. Again, it seems like another model citizen (NOT) has had a scuffle with the law. We definitely have pattern(s). Seems you might have already tried this case in your mind and found the officer automatically guilty, no?
 

mikeymikec

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compuwiz1, why do you need a justice system at all when you can have the police doing the judging and punishing?
 

compuwiz1

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compuwiz1, why do you need a justice system at all when you can have the police doing the judging and punishing?

People will have their day in court, unless they are dumb enough to resist arrest or endanger an officer. Police wouldn't have a reason to stop people, if people would stop giving them a reason to. Stealing a car might be such a reason, don'tcha think?
 

mikeymikec

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People will have their day in court, unless they are dumb enough to resist arrest or endanger an officer. Police wouldn't have a reason to stop people, if people would stop giving them a reason to. Stealing a car might be such a reason, don'tcha think?

Throw in a few "alleged"s in there, as well as an "if the suspect survives", then your logic looks somewhat shaky.

I realise this is to do with NYC not Florida, but the wave of news articles from America regarding coloured people getting shot isn't localised in NYC AFAIK:
http://www.wnyc.org/story/can-the-nypd-spot-the-abusive-cop/

"Resisting arrest" is subjective, as is "reasonable cause".
 

MustISO

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Let me know when this happens and the person isn't doing something illegal or breaking the law.
Was it excessive, maybe, but we don't know what actually happened.
Witness testimony can be very flawed.
 

elitejp

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or we can just have black cops called out to police all the black people. Media takes anything that could have any kind of racial tone to it and runs with it. You truly have to be stupid to not take news without a grain of salt. Then the african american religious leaders need to spend more time getting the youth out of crime rather than jumping in front of the tv camera to put there disapproval on ongoing investigations.

I find it highly unlikely that the kid had his hands up peacefully giving himself up. But if the cop did shoot the kid for no reason then the investigation should prove that out.
 
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