White House wants black boxes in all future cars

[SandEagle]

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/white-house-wants-black-boxes-all-future-cars-1C7497442

The White House has given its OK to a plan that would require all future cars and trucks be equipped with event data records – most commonly referred to as “black boxes.”

Welcome to 1984. Big Brother is watching you. Next they will install black boxes in your bathroom to monitor how many times a day you take a crap

 

[Nintendesert]

The government already monitors facebook and twitter so they already know how often you have a bowel movement.

 

[Jaskalas]

Welcome to 1984. Big Brother is watching you. Next they will install black boxes in your bathroom to monitor how many times a day you take a crap

That's not your toilet, it belongs to the FEMA camp. D:

 

[Incorruptible]

Thank you to all the idiots who support big government and attacked the Constitution.

 

[Moonbeam]

Great, now I will have proof I'm innocent.

 

[Jhhnn]

Thank you to all the idiots who support big government and attacked the Constitution.

And a big thank you to all the raving idiots who don't read links. 90% of all vehicles currently sold have such devices, w/ no govt intervention at all.

What the usual loons fail to appreciate about all of this is that nobody is actually paying attention to any of it until after the fact, until there's reason to do so. None of the information on your car's black box will ever be retrieved w/o reason, and what's there has the same sort of short memory problem as Righties in general. The vast, vast majority of such devices will never be read at all, and will still be virgin when the vehicle goes to the crusher. It's basically the same story wrt video surveillance & electronic data storage.

It's not the ebil gubmint using such information, anyway, but rather shrewd marketers-

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmir...teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/

 

[piasabird]

Maybe your car will email you the traffic ticket. The government keeps increasing the price of the automobile. Put them on all the commercial vehicles like Trucks and cabs and police cars, rental cars. It is more likely technology will be used against the private citizens. I can see it now. The NSA will be able to track every automobile in the USA in real time.

Here Comes Sky-Net!

A black box is a piece of technology that is like 50 years old.

 

[Smoblikat]

Thank you democrats to all the idiots who support big government and attacked the Constitution.

Fixed. It is the same thing, but in fewer words.

 

[MovingTarget]

And a big thank you to all the raving idiots who don't read links. 90% of all vehicles currently sold have such devices, w/ no govt intervention at all.

What the usual loons fail to appreciate about all of this is that nobody is actually paying attention to any of it until after the fact, until there's reason to do so. None of the information on your car's black box will ever be retrieved w/o reason, and what's there has the same sort of short memory problem as Righties in general. The vast, vast majority of such devices will never be read at all, and will still be virgin when the vehicle goes to the crusher. It's basically the same story wrt video surveillance & electronic data storage.

It's not the ebil gubmint using such information, anyway, but rather shrewd marketers-

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmir...teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/

This. While I personally prefer not to have one in my vehicles, I can see the reason for making them standard. At the end of the day, you still own the data generated by your vehicle. It cannot be retrieved by a government entity without warrant. You are also not required to equip your older vehicles with these boxes, so if you want to fix up your old Chevrolet Vega to drive around without any nanny devices, more power to you.

 

[piasabird]

Your car will be required to send in reports via satelite.

 

[techs]

so if you want to fix up your old Chevrolet Vega to drive around without any nanny devices, and never have another date ever, more power to you.

ftfy

 

[Double Trouble]

And a big thank you to all the raving idiots who don't read links. 90% of all vehicles currently sold have such devices, w/ no govt intervention at all.

What the usual loons fail to appreciate about all of this is that nobody is actually paying attention to any of it until after the fact, until there's reason to do so. None of the information on your car's black box will ever be retrieved w/o reason, and what's there has the same sort of short memory problem as Righties in general. The vast, vast majority of such devices will never be read at all, and will still be virgin when the vehicle goes to the crusher. It's basically the same story wrt video surveillance & electronic data storage.

It's not the ebil gubmint using such information, anyway, but rather shrewd marketers-

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmir...teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/

Holy moly, that's some amazingly screwed up reasoning. The fact that most of these devices will go unread is absolutely meaningless and irrelevant. I can put a camera in your house and record everything you do since it will only be used in rare cases right? Not to worry, we'll only look at the cameras if there's reason to do so.

That's the kind of thinking that has brought us the patriot act.

Any opportunity for surveillance should be carefully evaluated and checks and balances put in place, because it eventually WILL be abused and misused. If anything history has taught us that this surveillance (like every form of surveillance) will be expanded over time and misused or abused. How long until these black boxes will be required to include GPS? (just like phones now have to have GPS).

As an example, if they're going to demand black boxes in all vehicles, there needs to be legislation in place that clearly spells out when and how that information can be used, and that the information can not ever be used for non law enforcement uses (marketing, civil suits etc). Unfortunately, the way this stuff works is that there will be a mandate to have these devices, but how and when it can be used will be sorted out in courts and messed up. Ultimately the freedom loses.

 

[dmcowen674]

White House wants black boxes in all future cars

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/white-house-wants-black-boxes-all-future-cars-1C7497442

Welcome to 1984. Big Brother is watching you. Next they will install black boxes in your bathroom to monitor how many times a day you take a crap

Idiots sign up every day for Progressive Insurance Blackbox they call Snapshot.

They buy into that commercial that it will save them money.

Bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk8yNKWpG2s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VchvF7Rm1rs

 

[Jhhnn]

As an example, if they're going to demand black boxes in all vehicles, there needs to be legislation in place that clearly spells out when and how that information can be used, and that the information can not ever be used for non law enforcement uses (marketing, civil suits etc). Unfortunately, the way this stuff works is that there will be a mandate to have these devices, but how and when it can be used will be sorted out in courts and messed up. Ultimately the freedom loses.

Another non-reader of the link in the OP. Unsurprising.

When you take the car to the dealership for work, they'll read the info if it's applicable to what they're doing. You sign a consent form for that already. When you buy auto insurance, I suspect that circumstantial provisions for such are in the contract. When law enforcement wants to look, they need a warrant. The only way marketers can get the info is from the dealer, if they ever read it, and you already consented when you took it in for work.

The information can do as much to help you as to hurt you in the event of an accident investigation, and it's actually part of how an advanced vehicle adjusts to your driving habits & style, to altitude & so forth.

They're relatively simple devices that are not in contact with Skynet in any way, shape, or form.

If you're so tweaked about surveillance, you definitely want to stay out of casinos. You probably want to avoid convenience & liquor stores, too, along with many roads & intersections, not to mention public transit. Pay cash for everything, encrypt email birthday greetings. Get the schedules for mapping satellites so they won't know when you were in the backyard.

The part of it all that conspiracy theorists really don't get is that nobody cares, nobody even pays attention to any of it until something weird happens. Yes, they could be tracking your every move, but on the other hand they don't bother with insignificant pissants who are just living their lives. Big brother isn't watching, because he's too lazy to even pay attention.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Your car will be required to send in reports via satelite.

hahahahaaaaaaaa....best funny of the morning!! hahahaaaaaa

you get the Hahahahaha Award!!

 

[Brainonska511]

Welcome to 1984. Big Brother is watching you. Next they will install black boxes in your bathroom to monitor how many times a day you take a crap

Is it really that "Big Brother"? The article you linked states that many cars already contain some kind of accident data recorder. If it only records data for, say, up to 5 minutes and has no position information kept and the data is only accessible if someone has physical access, is it that big a deal?

Someone please explain to me.

Obviously, if it's providing a full suite of information heading straight into government databases, then we have a problem. I see nothing to indicate that scenario though.

 

[BoberFett]

This. While I personally prefer not to have one in my vehicles, I can see the reason for making them standard. At the end of the day, you still own the data generated by your vehicle. It cannot be retrieved by a government entity without warrant. You are also not required to equip your older vehicles with these boxes, so if you want to fix up your old Chevrolet Vega to drive around without any nanny devices, more power to you.

Naivete is so adorable...

 

[Incorruptible]

And a big thank you to all the raving idiots who don't read links. 90% of all vehicles currently sold have such devices, w/ no govt intervention at all.

What the usual loons fail to appreciate about all of this is that nobody is actually paying attention to any of it until after the fact, until there's reason to do so. None of the information on your car's black box will ever be retrieved w/o reason, and what's there has the same sort of short memory problem as Righties in general. The vast, vast majority of such devices will never be read at all, and will still be virgin when the vehicle goes to the crusher. It's basically the same story wrt video surveillance & electronic data storage.

It's not the ebil gubmint using such information, anyway, but rather shrewd marketers-

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmir...teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/

Its this type of idiotic thinking that gave us the Patriot Act as was pointed by others. This thinking is dangerous, you leftists may be alright with giving up your civil liberties but not everyone is

Maybe we should put a camera in your washroom, dont worry no one will look at it though

 

[SparkyJJO]

And a big thank you to all the raving idiots who don't read links. 90% of all vehicles currently sold have such devices, w/ no govt intervention at all.

What the usual loons fail to appreciate about all of this is that nobody is actually paying attention to any of it until after the fact, until there's reason to do so. None of the information on your car's black box will ever be retrieved w/o reason, and what's there has the same sort of short memory problem as Righties in general. The vast, vast majority of such devices will never be read at all, and will still be virgin when the vehicle goes to the crusher. It's basically the same story wrt video surveillance & electronic data storage.

It's not the ebil gubmint using such information, anyway, but rather shrewd marketers-

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmir...teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/

So explain to me then, if they aren't going to be accessed then why would the government want them installed in the first place? And what determines this "reason" to look at it?

"We want to be able to monitor you but don't worry, we won't really do that." Are you really falling for such a lame excuse?

Stop letting go of your civil liberties and privacy because "well it won't affect me most of the time." You should always balk at anyone's attempt to take that away from you. Why willingly give up so much?

 

[Capt Caveman]

So explain to me then, if they aren't going to be accessed then why would the government want them installed in the first place? And what determines this "reason" to look at it?

"We want to be able to monitor you but don't worry, we won't really do that." Are you really falling for such a lame excuse?

Stop letting go of your civil liberties and privacy because "well it won't affect me most of the time." You should always balk at anyone's attempt to take that away from you. Why willingly give up so much?

You more than likely already have it in your car. They're already installed in 92% of all vehicles. They would be accessed by your dealer if you had to bring it in for a problem and would help in accessing safety issues.

I don't believe they could even be accessed for accidents without you giving someone access to your vehicle. The black box isn't something that can beam data to anybody wirelessly.

I hope all of those complaining about it, remove them from your vehicle today b/c you more than likely already have one.

 

[Demo24]

These things only record like 10-20 secs at a time and then rewrite, theres no gps nor any radio devices present. You can't 'monitor' anything with them. How exactly is 10-20 seconds of traveling on a public road, recording only the physical events of what your car is doing, being stored on your car, and 99% of the time only going to be accessed in the event of an accident investigation, some hit to your privacy/civil liberties?

 

[Incorruptible]

So explain to me then, if they aren't going to be accessed then why would the government want them installed in the first place? And what determines this "reason" to look at it?

"We want to be able to monitor you but don't worry, we won't really do that." Are you really falling for such a lame excuse?

Stop letting go of your civil liberties and privacy because "well it won't affect me most of the time." You should always balk at anyone's attempt to take that away from you. Why willingly give up so much?

Your talking to a leftist and thats the problem right there, he wouldn't even go against this and he said it was alright since it wont be used. People like him should not be in this country because they think giving up your civil liberties is alright. We need people in this country who believe in freedom

 

[Thump553]

Reading this thread reminds me of a statement made to me by a purported sane colleague earlier this week:

"Her: What do you think of Obamacare? You know that they are going to implant chips in all of us by 2014 under that law."

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

These things only record like 10-20 secs at a time and then rewrite, theres no gps nor any radio devices present. You can't 'monitor' anything with them. How exactly is 10-20 seconds of traveling on a public road, recording only the physical events of what your car is doing, being stored on your car, and 99% of the time only going to be accessed in the event of an accident investigation, some hit to your privacy/civil liberties?

That's currently correct. Since these will now be govt. mandated what specs are required? What will the regs dictate? I'd like to see the details.

 

[abaez]

Wow, why isn't there this huge opposition to black boxes in airplanes?