White House wants black boxes in all future cars

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DucatiMonster696

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Is it really that "Big Brother"? The article you linked states that many cars already contain some kind of accident data recorder. If it only records data for, say, up to 5 minutes and has no position information kept and the data is only accessible if someone has physical access, is it that big a deal?

Someone please explain to me.

Obviously, if it's providing a full suite of information heading straight into government databases, then we have a problem. I see nothing to indicate that scenario though.

If many cars contain such devices then there should be no reason to force their inclusion in the market place.
 

1prophet

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You more than likely already have it in your car. They're already installed in 92% of all vehicles. They would be accessed by your dealer if you had to bring it in for a problem and would help in accessing safety issues.

I don't believe they could even be accessed for accidents without you giving someone access to your vehicle. The black box isn't something that can beam data to anybody wirelessly.

I hope all of those complaining about it, remove them from your vehicle today b/c you more than likely already have one.


Dealers don't have the tools to access the relevant information, you need one of these.

http://www.boschdiagnostics.com/testequipment/cdr/cdr/Pages/CDR.aspx

If the accident is serious enough the vehicles are impounded for accident investigators and usually they have no problem getting court approval for the data.
 

Albatross

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Watch out for speed tickets delivered from satellite data,just measure the time and distance.
 

Vic Vega

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Privacy and all that.

The government can't make a reasonable argument for having the device or collecting the data.
 

Chris A

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Toyota has used there black boxes for years to get out of paying warrantee repairs. Most often related to miss shifts.
 

feralkid

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No, they can't. Simple use of publicly funded roads is not a reasonable excuse to collect and monitor data in a vehicle by the government.


Ever flown on an airline? What gives them a reasonable excuse to scan your body and search your belongings?
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Privacy and all that.

The government can't make a reasonable argument for having the device or collecting the data.

You don't have warrants for wiretaps, you have no right to privacy for anything you upload to the internet, you can be locked up for being accused as a terrorist without legal representation or charges and the government needs a good reason for using a gizmo? Don't bogart that joint.
 

Vic Vega

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You don't have warrants for wiretaps, you have no right to privacy for anything you upload to the internet, you can be locked up for being accused as a terrorist without legal representation or charges and the government needs a good reason for using a gizmo? Don't bogart that joint.

All of those things involve third parties and existing infrastructures and in most cases are legal under existing laws.
 

feralkid

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No, it isn't and that isn't how the law works. You need to make your case FOR the law and why it's reasonable.


I edited my post with an example.


Here's more: How come they can force you to provide personal data like D.O.B. eye color, height, weight etc?

Because driving is not a right, so they can do just about anything they want.
 
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Vic Vega

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I edited my post with an example.

To your example. Have you ever taken a private chartered airline flight? Hint, there is no TSA, no body scanners and no x-ray machines.

You need to understand how the TSA works. The TSA exists at airports at the request of the airport and some airports do NOT have the TSA, Sanford-Orlando is one example. Furthermore, there is no law requiring you to be scanned or your luggage. Again, you're dealing with multiple third parties (airport and airline) and the agreements are largely between them and the TSA, not you.
 

feralkid

Lifer
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To your example. Have you ever taken a private chartered airline flight? Hint, there is no TSA, no body scanners and no x-ray machines.

You need to understand how the TSA works. The TSA exists at airports at the request of the airport and some airports do NOT have the TSA, Sanford-Orlando is one example.



But you're missing the fact that TSA COULD be at any and all airports if they so desired.
 

Vic Vega

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But you're missing the fact that TSA COULD be at any and all airports if they so desired.

No, by law, they cannot - their presence or lack of presence is 100% at the purview of the airport. Airports are, believe it or not, priveatly owned facilties - even the big ones (yes, being owned by a municipality counts).

Like I said, you don't understand how the TSA works, your example is null.
 

feralkid

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No, that link doesn't prove your point. Next.




Uh, O.K. then....

All commercial airports are regulated by TSA whether the actual screening is performed by TSA or private companies. So TSA’s policies – including advanced imaging technology and pat downs – are in place at all domestic airports.
 

Vic Vega

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Uh, O.K. then....

All commercial airports are regulated by TSA whether the actual screening is performed by TSA or private companies. So TSA’s policies – including advanced imaging technology and pat downs – are in place at all domestic airports.

That quote you posted explains to you WHY you don't understand and why you're wrong.
 

feralkid

Lifer
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The part you just bolded.

Seriously, you are far too stupid to converse with. The list just grows and grows.


All commercial airports are regulated by TSA.

What am I missing here?


If it's so obvious, why can't you tell me?
 
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