WHITE NATIONALISM IS AS MUCH OF A THREAT TO U.S. AS ISIS, FBI'S OPEN INVESTIGATIONS SHOW

[senseamp]

Why does Trump refuse to say "Radical Conservative Extremism?"

 

[Puffnstuff]

All racism is equally dangerous.

 

[hal2kilo]

Same excuse different day. Blame whitey, or whoever you want based on where you're getting the info. Use labels too because we all need a great evil enemy to blame for everything.



https://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

The real enemies are ignorance and poverty.

Avatar name fits.

 

[Snarf Snarf]

Hot damn, this pleases me so much that the FBI is actually taking this seriously. In one of the other threads I chronicled my experiences with Neo-Nazi's from my youth and suggested that the level of violence perpetrated by White Nationalist groups would easily exceed that of any supposed ISIS terror cells on domestic soil. It's good to see them classifying these groups as terror groups, because it's exactly what they are, they have a terrible agenda, and their only means of achieving this agenda are through the use of violence.

 

[ivwshane]

Hot damn, this pleases me so much that the FBI is actually taking this seriously. In one of the other threads I chronicled my experiences with Neo-Nazi's from my youth and suggested that the level of violence perpetrated by White Nationalist groups would easily exceed that of any supposed ISIS terror cells on domestic soil. It's good to see them classifying these groups as terror groups, because it's exactly what they are, they have a terrible agenda, and their only means of achieving this agenda are through the use of violence.

The problem, as the OP pointed out and some posters glossed over, is that the FBI doesn't classify all crimes that could be considered an act of terrorism terrorist acts and instead file them under normal crime statistics.

So yes the FBI is giving them attention however that attention seems to be woefully inadequate. Which is why some senators decried, "only 1000".

 

[Snarf Snarf]

The problem, as the OP pointed out and some posters glossed over, is that the FBI doesn't classify all crimes that could be considered an act of terrorism terrorist acts and instead file them under normal crime statistics.

So yes the FBI is giving them attention however that attention seems to be woefully inadequate. Which is why some senators decried, "only 1000".

In my personal experience they very rarely get investigated as hate crimes, much less acts of domestic terror. I'm not sure if local PD are reluctant to do this because it immediately goes to the FBI or Homeland in the case of terror. When my friends were beaten by Neo Nazi's the police classified it as gang violence, and thus we were assigned a Vice detective, it wasn't reported as a hate crime despite our testimony and the evidence presented (Nazi flags and racist spray paint on the walls). Our detective told us it was better for us that it stay that way, because there was little to no chance of any serious action against the perpetrators if it was elevated to a federal case without significant signs of organization at the national level, it would be deemed an isolated case and simply be a statistic to them.

How much of this problem is bureaucratic is hard to say, but I'm 100% sure most of the hate crimes and domestic terror acts are reported as simple crimes because it's easier to deal with them that way.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Same excuse different day. Blame whitey, or whoever you want based on where you're getting the info. Use labels too because we all need a great evil enemy to blame for everything.



https://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

The real enemies are ignorance and poverty.

And to make your point you link to a white supremacist web site. Cool.

 

[justoh]

OP seems confused as to what the word "show" means. Comparing an ideology to a group of adherents of an ideology doesn't seem very sensible either. Changing nationalism to nationalists, or ISIS to Islam would rectify this issue, though it's still an absurd argument.

 

[cytg111]

Counterpoint: The only reason why there is white nationalism is because of black people....I mean inner city thugs and Mexicans...I mean illegal immigrant landscapers.

So the root cause of white nationalism are illegals and BLM.

Thanks Trump logic

I think that assesment holds true it is just not a one-two punch, it is like Newtons third law action reaction, if you pile up retards on one side an equal amount of retards, of opposite force, will enmass on the other side. A equals B, though its the political cultural climate that dictates the size of these variables... And we all know what Trump is doing... creating radical retards on both sides in numbers... the man is dangerous.

 

[cytg111]

OP seems confused as to what the word "show" means. Comparing an ideology to a group of adherents of an ideology doesn't seem very sensible either. Changing nationalism to nationalists, or ISIS to Islam would rectify this issue, though it's still an absurd argument.

Ok. What?

 

[justoh]

Ok. What?

You're essentially contrasting an ism with an ist (or forwarding on the comparison). White nationalism is the "ideology," and a white nationalist is one who follows it. Islam is an ideology, and a muslim a follower. Basically, compare like with like. A vegetarian isn't the same thing as vegetarianism.

"Show" usually means something like proves or demonstrates, and because of all the variables and problems involved, mentioned in the very article, it can't do much more than suggest. Or is this not the current year?

 

[cytg111]

You're essentially contrasting an ism with an ist (or forwarding on the comparison). White nationalism is the "ideology," and a white nationalist is one who follows it. Islam is an ideology, and a muslim a follower. Basically, compare like with like. A vegetarian isn't the same thing as vegetarianism.

"Show" usually means something like proves or demonstrates, and because of all the variables and problems involved, mentioned in the very article, it can't do much more than suggest. Or is this not the current year?

Isnt all the flattened by the fact that the FBI is issuing equal resources to deal with threat A and threat B? Thus A must be of equal size of B and vice versa?

 

[HomerJS]

You're essentially contrasting an ism with an ist (or forwarding on the comparison). White nationalism is the "ideology," and a white nationalist is one who follows it. Islam is an ideology, and a muslim a follower. Basically, compare like with like. A vegetarian isn't the same thing as vegetarianism.

"Show" usually means something like proves or demonstrates, and because of all the variables and problems involved, mentioned in the very article, it can't do much more than suggest. Or is this not the current year?

I doubt my black ass needs to be concerned with "ist"s or "ism"s vs concern over being lynched.

 

[justoh]

I doubt my black ass needs to be concerned with "ist"s or "ism"s vs concern over being lynched.

Not sure what you mean. Is it a time-management thing? Are you really so busy worrying about being lynched that you can't find the time to worry about nouns/language? That must be awful. Where do you live?

 

[HomerJS]

Not sure what you mean. Is it a time-management thing? Are you really so busy worrying about being lynched that you can't find the time to worry about nouns/language? That must be awful. Where do you live?

Point is, why my lynching is nowhere imminent I have more to fear from white nationalists in this country then jihadists and the stats bear that out. That is the point of this thread in case you forgot.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Point is, why my lynching is nowhere imminent I have more to fear from white nationalists in this country then jihadists and the stats bear that out. That is the point of this thread in case you forgot.

Having lived in the deep south, I can confirm half of this statement without hesitation. Stats back up the other half

 

[Paratus]

Says the guy posting stats from a white supremacist website. Fucking moron.

His username checks out though.

Edit. Hal beat me.

 

[justoh]

Point is, why my lynching is nowhere imminent I have more to fear from white nationalists in this country then jihadists and the stats bear that out. That is the point of this thread in case you forgot.

Sure. Especially ISIS, which is just a group of people, and not an ideology. A more sensible comparison would be a specific collection/group of white nationalists, and not white nationalism per se. Obviously you have more to fear from an idea held by many groups of people, locally, vs a single collection of muslims who live primarily overseas. And obviously Islam is more of a threat than white nationalism, if one does compare the actual ideologies.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Sure. Especially ISIS, which is just a group of people, and not an ideology. A more sensible comparison would be a specific collection/group of white nationalists, and not white nationalism per se. Obviously you have more to fear from an idea held by many groups of people, locally, vs a single collection of muslims who live primarily overseas. And obviously Islam is more of a threat than white nationalism, if one does compare the actual ideologies.

White nationalism in the US is far more consolidated/less fractured than Islamic Extremism is worldwide. The 'cogs' fit a lot better in the white supremacist machine than they do in the Islamic extremist one, hence why one can consider the white nationalism 'movement' or whatever to be much more coherent, as a single group, than one can consider Islamic extremism to be a single 'group'.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

So 1000 cases from within 0.9% of the population (islam) versus 1000 cases from within 63% of the population (white) is the same? Uh huh. Propaganda fail.

 

[mect]

So 1000 cases from within 0.9% of the population (islam) versus 1000 cases from within 63% of the population (white) is the same? Uh huh. Propaganda fail.

White =/ White Nationalist

 

[AnonymouseUser]

White =/ White Nationalist

You'd probably also say: islam =/ isis

 

[J.Wilkins]

So 1000 cases from within 0.9% of the population (islam) versus 1000 cases from within 63% of the population (white) is the same? Uh huh. Propaganda fail.

I like how you don't understand the concept at all and think that all white people are fucking retarded white nationalists like yourself.

Islamic terrorism does not include all Muslims and Neo Nazi terrorists do not include all white people.

 

[mect]

islam =/ isis

Very good. Now can you connect the dots?

 

[HomerJS]

Trump makes very little effort to deal with terrorism unless its committed by brown people. He didn't even talk about the mosque bombing in Minnesota a few months ago.