yup and I am sure there were some 'decent, family minded SS leaders who didn't fully grasp what hitler was trying to achieve'+1..Agree..Move his statue to a cemetery or a battlefield so he can "watch" over his troops. It shows respect for what he did without endorsing what cause he fought for....
As for Robert E. Lee the person..there needs to be some context here. From what i have read about the man. Before the civil war, Robert E. Lee did believe slaves to be no different then permanent indentured servitude. These were people who became permanent servants of a wealthy individual and were treated quite well, but still owned be someone. Robert E. Lee grew up in an environment where slaves were treated humanly, and because of this thought they were indeed better off in these conditions than that of Africa which wasn't developed.
He at the time of war did not really know of the atrocities of brutal and inhumane slavery. He really never saw it in his upbringing.
After the war he was introduced to how brutal and inhumane some slave owners in the south were and became a major advocate in condemning slavery in the south.
So while, yes I do believe the statue should be moved, I do not think it is proper to smear the name of a general who fought for what he thought was right... and better yet, when shown the bad, and the wrongs of his cause, he tried his best to help fix a problem that he and his family condoned during his whole life.
How anyone has any other stance on the topic of Nazis is mind boggling.
"I disapprove of what you say" is the actual wording in The Friends of Voltaire.Freedom of Speech is a tricky thing...it's easy to defend that speech with which you agree...it's much more difficult to defend something that you abhor...yet defend the speaker's right to say it we must. There are only a very few things that are not protected..and, sadly, this garbage isn't one of those things. Start limiting speech we disagree with and soon, we won't be able to say anything. (as one group takes power, what another group says become illegal)
(no, it wasn't actually Voltaire who said it.)
Better to combat hate and ignorance with education.
I'm not in favour of suppressing the free speech right of neo-Nazis. I vastly prefer letting them march, taking their photos, and systematically ruining their lives by outing them as racists to their family, friends, spouses and coworkers. The damage is far more long lasting.
I think the Union made a major mistake in dealing with the South after defeating them during the Civil War. The South actually got off lightly compared to what other Nations would have done after a Civil War.
He was afraid for his life and sought protection into a crowd of protesters where the brakes on his car failed?In a weird way I miss Spidey. I know he'd have some whacky reason why the car went into the protestors something like a black guy had a concealed laser and he pointed it at the driver to blind him, then he'd post some bizarre picture "proving" it.
You guys are putting way too much thought into this.He was afraid for his life and sought protection into a crowd of protesters where the brakes on his car failed?
Can you be specific? When you say everyone, you know you include people who act in self-defense, right? Makes you sound like an asshole.How so?
I think you need to read more about the reconstruction of the south after the civil war.
I do disagree with the protesters they are wrong in their actions. Everyone that participated in the violence should be held accountable.
I'm not in favour of suppressing the free speech right of neo-Nazis. I vastly prefer letting them march, taking their photos, and systematically ruining their lives by outing them as racists to their family, friends, spouses and coworkers. The damage is far more long lasting.
Are you a Southerner who is still touchy about losing the Civil War? Good grief, it's been 152 years since the South lost, you guys should get over it.How so?
I think you need to read more about the reconstruction of the south after the civil war.
I do disagree with the protesters they are wrong in their actions. Everyone that participated in the violence should be held accountable.
You guys are putting way too much thought into this.
The thugs were clearly attacking him and he fled for his life.
Duh.
Hitler was simply a misunderstood artist.
Damned well said.Sorry, I totally disagree. Free speech is the absolute right of anyone in this country, no matter how abhorrent, EXCEPT when such speech promotes violence against a specific person or leads to violence in an inflammatory situation (i.e. Michael Brown's stepfather urging the Ferguson rioters to "burn down the town"). Farrakhan is anti Semitic and anti white, but his speech is protected and etc. Your premise that the Nazi scourge could usurp our government is ridiculous, due to a variety of historical reasons I do not have the time to elaborate on here, and I think our government is a hell of a lot more stable than the Wiemar Republic in 1930's Germany. Now, here is one stat I could not find, and that is the number of white supremacists currently active in the U.S. Last figure I could find was 200,000, but outdated. However, there are 350 million (give or take) people in the U.S. population.
Now here's a thought. What if no one paid any attention to the Nazi, etc. rallies? What if there were no media coverage, no anti demonstrations (which includes the equally violent and free speech deniers ANTIFA), no audience to give them a modicum of credence. Actually, a month ago there was a KKK rally in Charlottesville with no anti protesters bussed in, little media coverage and not many (if any) illegal incidents. I guess ANTIFA missed the memo.
As for ISIS, a worldwide terror group espousing the destruction of all Infidels, they are designated a terror org. and illegal in the US...To compare the to the poor pathetic souls involved in white supremacy groups in this country, there is no comparison. I am NOT saying these US groups are not violent, obviously some of them are, but why give them any more attention than they deserve? Which is zero. Illegal acts get punished. Repugnant rhetoric does not. P.S. I am a moderate Republican.
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lol +1That and he only had one ball. That would make anyone want to invade poland.
Also well said, although I don't think either side of these riots can be educated. Best to just ignore them until they cross the line, then come down as hard as the law allows. And in the mean time, oppose their free speech with better free speech. Such speech is protected, but that doesn't mean it should be allowed to stand.Freedom of Speech is a tricky thing...it's easy to defend that speech with which you agree...it's much more difficult to defend something that you abhor...yet defend the speaker's right to say it we must. There are only a very few things that are not protected..and, sadly, this garbage isn't one of those things. Start limiting speech we disagree with and soon, we won't be able to say anything. (as one group takes power, what another group says become illegal)
(no, it wasn't actually Voltaire who said it.)
Better to combat hate and ignorance with education.
So you'd be fine with the next Democrat President erecting just a few statues to Karl Marx? Evil is evil. It's one thing to recognize major players in the war in museums or battlefields, but such statues of Confederate leaders and generals in government areas not dedicated to history gives them de facto equivalence with other Americans so honored. Even Confederates who went on the serve the country have questionable right to be so represented; most have no such right whatsoever.Those statues are so few and far between. Are there more than a handful left anymore? Yet the typical reactionary response is to take them down, which is ignorant. History should be preserved. When we were a more dignified country and civil discourse occurred CIVILLY (not with all the drama of crybabies as it does these days), statues like this were much more prevalent. The Stars and Bars of the Confederacy were even in some state flags. People could express respect for for any opinion even if they disagreed.
Sadly however, free speech is no longer tolerated. And to be honest, the hatred for free speech started in Europe.
We are letting European style censorship overtake America and that should be stopped asap.
He was afraid for his life and sought protection into a crowd of protesters where the brakes on his car failed?
So you'd be fine with the next Democrat President erecting just a few statues to Karl Marx? Evil is evil. It's one thing to recognize major players in the war in museums or battlefields, but such statues of Confederate leaders and generals in government areas not dedicated to history gives them de facto equivalence with other Americans so honored. Even Confederates who went on the serve the country have questionable right to be so represented; most have no such right whatsoever.
One of the true heros of the Somalia debacle is not recognized in the official history (or the movie) because some time afterward he had sex with a severely underage teenage girl. That's a very human and very minor evil compared to fighting to keep some people property, but it rightly cost him his place in history. Good men doing evil (and fighting in the service of evil IS evil) do not deserve to be celebrated, period. And yes, I too am a life long Southerner. I love the South, but not to the point of whitewashing evil.
Why do you accuse Karl Marx of being evil?
Do you even know who he was?
Karl Marx was born on 5 May 1818 to Heinrich Marx (1777–1838) and Henrietta Pressburg (1788–1863). He was born at Brückengasse 664 in Trier, a town then part of the Kingdom of Prussia's Province of the Lower Rhine.[16] Marx was ancestrally Jewish; his maternal grandfather was a Dutch rabbi, while his paternal line had supplied Trier's rabbis since 1723, a role taken by his grandfather Meier Halevi Marx.[17] Karl's father, as a child known as Herschel, was the first in the line to receive a secular education; he became a lawyer and lived a relatively wealthy and middle-class existence, with his family owning a number of Moselle vineyards. Prior to his son's birth, and to escape the constraints of anti-semitic legislation, Herschel converted from Judaism to Lutheranism, the main Protestant denominationin Germany and Prussia at the time, taking on the German forename of Heinrich over the Yiddish Herschel.[18] Marx was also a third cousin once removed of German Romantic poet Heinrich Heine, also born to a German Jewish family in the Rhineland, with whom he became a frequent correspondent in later life.[19][page needed]
So you'd be fine with the next Democrat President erecting just a few statues to Karl Marx? Evil is evil. It's one thing to recognize major players in the war in museums or battlefields, but such statues of Confederate leaders and generals in government areas not dedicated to history gives them de facto equivalence with other Americans so honored. Even Confederates who went on the serve the country have questionable right to be so represented; most have no such right whatsoever.
One of the true heros of the Somalia debacle is not recognized in the official history (or the movie) because some time afterward he had sex with a severely underage teenage girl. That's a very human and very minor evil compared to fighting to keep some people property, but it rightly cost him his place in history. Good men doing evil (and fighting in the service of evil IS evil) do not deserve to be celebrated, period. And yes, I too am a life long Southerner. I love the South, but not to the point of whitewashing evil.
I think I figured out why that retard were possum hates marx....