White Nationalist mass protest turns to riot at University of Virginia

[ch33zw1z]

For racists Obama must have been a total nightmare. A constant reminder that a black man is greater than them and achieved more than they ever will. They must have wet the bed every night for eight years.

At least 20 million more bed wetters had access to healthcare

 

[HomerJS]

For racists Obama must have been a total nightmare. A constant reminder that a black man is greater than them and achieved more than they ever will. They must have wet the bed every night for eight years.

This was one of the goals of the birther movement. They tried to dehumanize Obama as a man and an American

 

[VRAMdemon]

Trump has been the President of the United States now for roughly six months. And one thing that we have come to understand about him is that he is NOT reluctant to single out people or institutions that he sees as enemies.

Even when it is not in his best interest to do so, even in instances where party members, advisors, or even family members urge him to show restraint, he insists on calling out people as enemies. He has called out members of Gold Star Families, a sitting senator who was a POW, NATO, the Speaker of the House of his own party, the press, any number of alliances no matter how long standing, and even the Contstitution itself.

It is part of his political DNA. It is fundamental and irreducible to his brand of "leadership": if he thinks anyone or anything is an enemy, he will publicly name them with no hesitation, with no regard for previous custom or any notional propriety.

So the fact that he is somehow reluctant to name American white supremacists as enemies is quite easy to explain: he simply does not agree that they are his enemies.

In order not to see that, you have to not want to see it, or not care.

It is as clear as day.

 

[pmv]

I always wondered why you guys had a problem with Republicans no matter what.....you are dyed in the wool comrades of Lenin.

Guess what, America will never embrace communism.

Ever.

We are freedom loving capitalists who reject Lenin and Marx 100%!

I was going to post the widely-reported quote, but after looking into it, honesty compels me to admit that it's not proven to be authentic -

http://www.snopes.com/bannon-leninist-destroy-state/

But it does seem that Trump is in some ways fewer degrees-of-separation away from Lenin than someone like Hillary. Putin's rise owes something to the 'red-brown alliance'.

Though the link is more to Stalin than Lenin. Lenin was more of an internationalist, Stalin bought the nationalism in.

 

[HomerJS]

Trump has been the President of the United States now for roughly six months. And one thing that we have come to understand about him is that he is NOT reluctant to single out people or institutions that he sees as enemies.

Even when it is not in his best interest to do so, even in instances where party members, advisors, or even family members urge him to show restraint, he insists on calling out people as enemies. He has called out members of Gold Star Families, a sitting senator who was a POW, NATO, the Speaker of the House of his own party, the press, any number of alliances no matter how long standing, and even the Contstitution itself.

It is part of his political DNA. It is fundamental and irreducible to his brand of "leadership": if he thinks anyone or anything is an enemy, he will publicly name them with no hesitation, with no regard for previous custom or any notional propriety.

So the fact that he is somehow reluctant to name American white supremacists as enemies is quite easy to explain: he simply does not agree that they are his enemies.

In order not to see that, you have to not want to see it, or not care.

It is as clear as day.

Right on point. Do I have your ok to steal this post?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

For racists Obama must have been a total nightmare. A constant reminder that a black man is greater than them and achieved more than they ever will. They must have wet the bed every night for eight years.

They never viewed him as better. He was beneath them and that is why they tried everything they could think of to delegitimize him. Birthers, secret Muslim, college transcripts. There was never a point that he obtained what he did because of who he was and the merits of his actions.

 

[luv2liv]

is there a website with photos of the people who attended?
i wanna make sure none of my friends are Nazis.
in some ways the con man in chief is great! he has helped us identify people who we definitely should stay away from.

 

[HomerJS]

is there a website with photos of the people who attended?
i wanna make sure none of my friends are Nazis.
in some ways the con man in chief is great! he has helped us identify people who we definitely should stay away from.

Yes. One of the attendees was outed and fired from his job.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/charlottesville-anti-racism-vigilantes-join-110300178.html

 

[brycejones]

Yes. One of the attendees was outed and fired from his job.

Well that should lead to some interesting posts from our conservative friends.

 

[mizzou]

After listening more to the news story, I will say the one thing that strikes me about Trump's comments is the hypocrisy. Trump would have lambasted Obama loudly for not calling something "Radical Islamic Terrorism" and would have very much stayed on the point of calling a spade a spade. Here we have, admittedly, one extremely unsavory group of people with with a terrifying agenda. Why is Trump all of a sudden afraid of calling the situation what it is? Even if you take into account the scattered unsavory people on the good side, he held back.

Either way, let's be honest with what was on presentation. Wannabe Nazi neckbeard trolls. These guys are not winning any popularity contests. Sucker punching them in the face is akin to beating up the weird kid in high school that loves Satan and tortures animals. Good job, you are really good at beating up retarded people. Punch enough of them in the face, one of them is going to come back to school and shoot everyone. Nobody needs to be convinced these guys are idiots. I think Captain Obvious would even say, I already knew these guys were losers.

I'm glad they were met by counter-protestors. Too see them spew hatred without opposition would be unusual. I'm saddened people were injured and killed over this. I do not feel this was a fight worth dying over. These are not the "Nationalists" people need to be draw the line against.

Perhaps I'm incredibly naive about the power they possess, but now that I'm starting to be an old guy, the type of people that listen to David Duke or extreme right wing nationalism seem to be consistently the same small group of people. But outside of that small group, the people who are afraid of change and have never really experienced life outside of their little world, who are Nationalistic but know Nationalism can go too far, are the ones that can come around to the other side with some maturity and education. let me bold that, maturity and education. Some will never come around, but those that can, they will.

The way the protests have been going though, I have a hard time thinking people are willing to actually bring people into the fold.

 

[fskimospy]

In case no one else has mentioned it, the easiest contrast is looking at Trump reaction to Islamic terrorists murdering people by running them over as compared to Nazi terrorists murdering people by running them over. In London he freaked out and called for a ban of Muslims entering the country, in Charlottesville he condemned violence from all sides.

Imagine if a bunch of armed ISIS supporters had a march during which a counter-protester was murdered and more than a dozen others injured. What do you think Trump's response would have been then?

(sorry if I'm repeating anyone, it's a long thread)

 

[Commodus]

After listening more to the news story, I will say the one thing that strikes me about Trump's comments is the hypocrisy. Trump would have lambasted Obama loudly for not calling something "Radical Islamic Terrorism" and would have very much stayed on the point of calling a spade a spade. Here we have, admittedly, one extremely unsavory group of people with with a terrifying agenda. Why is Trump all of a sudden afraid of calling the situation what it is? Even if you take into account the scattered unsavory people on the good side, he held back.

Wouldn't be surprised if Bannon played a role, but at the same time, Trump already has a pathological aversion to acknowledging any hate crimes committed by white people. It doesn't fit his "brown people are to blame for your problems" narrative.

 

[brycejones]

Wouldn't be surprised if Bannon played a role, but at the same time, Trump already has a pathological aversion to acknowledging any hate crimes committed by white people. It doesn't fit his "brown people are to blame for your problems" narrative.

This might actually be one of Trump's few real beliefs. He has been harping on this since the 80's.

 

[UNCjigga]

So will Kelly, Ivanka, Jared and McMaster somehow turn this whole thing into an excuse to fire Bannon? I hear grumblings...will be surprising to see what damaging info leaks this week from the WH...

 

[UNCjigga]

In case no one else has mentioned it, the easiest contrast is looking at Trump reaction to Islamic terrorists murdering people by running them over as compared to Nazi terrorists murdering people by running them over. In London he freaked out and called for a ban of Muslims entering the country, in Charlottesville he condemned violence from all sides.

Imagine if a bunch of armed ISIS supporters had a march during which a counter-protester was murdered and more than a dozen others injured. What do you think Trump's response would have been then?

(sorry if I'm repeating anyone, it's a long thread)

Has Trump attacked the Mayor of Charlottesville yet? I'm pretty sure that's on his standard list of things to do after a city plays host to a terrorist attack.

 

[zinfamous]

I do not feel this was a fight worth dying over. These are not the "Nationalists" people need to be draw the line against.

But outside of that small group, the people who are afraid of change and have never really experienced life outside of their little world, who are Nationalistic but know Nationalism can go too far, are the ones that can come around to the other side with some maturity and education. let me bold that, maturity and education. Some will never come around, but those that can, they will.

The way the protests have been going though, I have a hard time thinking people are willing to actually bring people into the fold.

Well, these are the Nazis that we have, whatever brand of weak-kneed snowflakes they may be, they are the ones we have and thus they must be opposed at every turn. Every turn. And it starts with their president.

Second, I don't agree that they are small in number. The internet (and Trump) has made them strong. While before these Nazis may have been isolated by miles and miles of cornfields and coal-filled mountain ranges, linked only through snail mail mailers and pamphlets, they can now see each other from coast to coast, and across continents. They are no longer a disorganized hodge podge of hundreds of 10-member cells of Nazis, they are now one, single community. They are and are more and more becoming a unified community of anti-American fascist Nazis. They have their leader in the White House (believe this: it really only matters what they see, for them to realize their power. Trump can say whatever he wants in public, but he is their leader. They feel empowered by him, and that is all that matters for the rest of us.)

It doesn't help that the posts of OroaraorRORORoaoror and Blue Max and other AT Nazis go on and on here, as if their opinions somehow weigh as equally as those of the non-fascists. These are the individuals that have been unashamedly posting for the previous 3 years the same fake Russian propaganda that has been universally proven to be planted information, again and again. They continue to post as if they have some protected right that their opinions are valid simply for the fact that they claim to have an opinion. This is not the case, was never the case, and is certainly not a protection granted by our constitution. (i.e: anyone can have an opinion; not all opinions are equal.)

 

[fskimospy]

Has Trump attacked the Mayor of Charlottesville yet? I'm pretty sure that's on his standard list of things to do after a city plays host to a terrorist attack.

Hmm, he attacked the CEO of Merck who resigned from some presidential economic council over his remarks. No attacks on the mayor yet, but I'd bet those will be forthcoming.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

For racists Obama must have been a total nightmare. A constant reminder that a black man is greater than them and achieved more than they ever will. They must have wet the bed every night for eight years.

As a so called "white person" (who prefers the term "Caucasian"),. having been raised before Civil Rights and housing laws in an all-white neighborhood, I've probably had 60 years to examine the subtleties of racism. You're not "prejudiced," but you find some old black guy to buy liquor for you as a teen. You're a coward and don't know it if you're reticent about working for a black person because "what other people will think" as you progress in your work and career life. You might have been acquainted with someone later accused of murdering two police officers when three black men were framed for it, but as soon as the newspapers make it appear that they were guilty, you accept that view because -- after all -- "they were black."

And you might finally buy in to the notion that racism had disappeared if you lived and worked in some place like the District of Columbia with maybe 30 or 40% black people in white-collar jobs. You might have thought it was a thing of the past, but you still hear people at lunch making "Martin Lucifer King" jokes or other jokes that fall into the category of racist "N****r" humor.

So with Obama, it took me a while to see what was happening. I had Democrat friends dismayed at his nomination, exclaiming "Oh, no! The black guy can't win!"

And they'll never admit to it. Yet, you can see where they're coming from: towns and states where the percentage for people of color is unusually low.

So -- yeah -- they can say so many different things like "Obama LIED about keeping your doctor" (a miscalculation of fact -- not a lie.) But you can see from the abject refusal to cooperate with Obama on anything, that they were terrified he might appear "successful." Especially, their reaction to Executive Orders -- each and every one -- were telling. Nobody can be completely wrong in all respects, but they made sure to oppose each and every order, each and every legislative initiative.

They could not let a black man stand in history as an example of that sort of achievement. And like I said, it's the nature of the beast: in a prevailing number of cases, situations and individual subjects -- they often live in self-denial of their own attitudes.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'm glad this is being investigated. Looks like a shit-ton of blame to go around.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I'm glad this is being investigated. Looks like a shit-ton of blame to go around.

Well, it will be a lesson to be understood and learned across the board. It is easy to forget how the ballast of our established institutions can protect us from foolish Utopian change. The system originally intended actually embraced gridlock and Incrementalism. So it was accurate in the aftermath of the 2017 Inauguration that LA Times would point to the career civil service no less than the Law and the other branches of government as a protection against Trumpian foolishness.

With that prolix paragraph, I'll add the main point that I still have confidence in the FBI and the careerists in the DOJ.

But "blame to go around?" You can counter-demonstrate against anything. Those guys from the Alt Right neo-Nazi fringe were prepared for violence. I was very pleased with Governor McAuliffe's profound response.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm glad this is being investigated. Looks like a shit-ton of blame to go around.

Yea, that automaker better answer why the gas pedal can just get away from someone like that.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Yea, that automaker better answer why the gas pedal can just get away from someone like that.

Are you trying to be an idiot...or does it just come natural?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Are you trying to be an idiot...or does it just come natural?

Again, I'm aiming for president. The bar is so low now, why bother trying?

 

[sactoking]

It's now been approximately 60 hours since the Nazis held their march, which resulted in one of them murdering one person and injuring 19 others, and he hasn't come close to publicly denouncing any of it.

A black man quit an advisory panel and was publicly attacked within minutes.

That should tell you everything you need to know about his views and priorities.

 

[talkcc144Anand]

Keep fighting among yourselves while the real powers that be control all of us.

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