White Nationalist mass protest turns to riot at University of Virginia

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FelixDeCat

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Er, no.

There's a difference between occasional radicals and organized, large-scale radical movements. You don't see extreme elements of BLM holding massive protests demanding the deaths of police; you do see those protests from neo-Nazis.

And you see, BLM at large condemns extremists when they pop up within its ranks. I don't see you condemning these neo-Nazis at all; you're practically cheering them on. You're a spineless coward who sees overt racism and tries to excuse it rather than fight it like a decent human being.

I am a spineless coward for comparing one violent radical to another? There are several videos on Youtube where you can see BLM calling for the deaths of members of law enforcement. You are practicaally cheering this sort of behavior on. Perhaps you are the spineless coward for not admitting that?

Nevertheless, racist radicals in the Neo Nazi movement or BLM movement should be shunned by society as non productive and weird, to say the least.
 
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FIVR

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I just saw Jack Kingston on CNN make the argument that "These protestors are bad, but they're not as bad as BLM. From what I understand, there has only been one person arrested! BLM protestors were so violent, hundreds of them were arrested. Why are we getting all spun up about these protests when only a single person has been arrested? If they were acting so badly, surely the police would intervene"


Flawless logic there, eh? I can't see any flaws in it.


Surely the police will intervene when it becomes truly violent. Surely.
 

ch33zw1z

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I just saw Jack Kingston on CNN make the argument that "These protestors are bad, but they're not as bad as BLM. From what I understand, there has only been one person arrested! BLM protestors were so violent, hundreds of them were arrested. Why are we getting all spun up about these protests when only a single person has been arrested? If they were acting so badly, surely the police would intervene"


Flawless logic there, eh? I can't see any flaws in it.


Surely the police will intervene when it becomes truly violent. Surely.
Lol, just highlighting the difference in police treatment of minorities verse whites.
 

FIVR

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What's gonna be really funny, is if there are any off duty VSP or other cops who are dumb enough to show up to "protest" in civilian clothes and get photographed. I would bet money at least a couple get caught.



Lot of jobs are going to be lost over this riot. Not good for jobless numbers next quarter! Sad!
 

WackyDan

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You're right. Removing symbols of the people who fought and died to continue the oppression of entire races in no way would help bring unity. That's what divides us. Removing them.

We aren't talking about a statue of Jefferson Davis here... But one of Robert Lee. There are miles of separation between those two figures and if you study Lee you might think differently as to why a statue of him should not be considered offensive.

***But I forget that we are dealing with the leftists who have zero tolerance for anything just one of them finds fault with.
 

Commodus

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I am a spineless coward for comparing one violent radical to another? There are several videos on Youtube where you can see BLM calling for the deaths of members of law enforcement. You are practicaally cheering this sort of behavior on. Perhaps you are the spineless coward for not admitting that?

Nevertheless, racist radicals in the Neo Nazi movement or BLM movement should be shunned by society as non productive and weird, to say the least.

Here's the thing: I do condemn BLM extremists, as does the broader BLM movement. Shooting police is not the answer. But every neo-Nazi is a racist radical. Doesn't matter whether they couch their terms in euphemisms, like Richard Spencer, or participate in outright violence like we've seen this weekend; if you believe in white supremacy, you're a racist extremist.

So yes, you are a spineless coward. You equivocate a handful of extremists in a largely benign movement (BLM) with a group that is nothing but extremists. You're afraid of grappling with the severity of what we're seeing, because that would involve acknowledging that extremism among white Americans is far worse. All of these neo-Nazis genuinely want genocide and segregation, and you're acting as if they're just raising valid concerns in a rude way. They shout "white lives matter" not because white people are being persecuted (they aren't, sorry), but because they believe white lives are the only ones that matter.
 

WackyDan

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I agree. The Union should have executed the entire Confederate officer corps along with every last Confederate legislator.

Always find it funny when someone says something like this -assuming they are liberal/progressive. Bets are you were against the genocide and war crimes of WWII when you studied them... Perhaps even against the same thing you are advocating but in Kosovo... and perhaps you have even been against the same thing happening in Syria right now...

***But it's ok to go back in time and make the wish you did.
 

Sinsear

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We aren't talking about a statue of Jefferson Davis here... But one of Robert Lee. There are miles of separation between those two figures and if you study Lee you might think differently as to why a statue of him should not be considered offensive.

***But I forget that we are dealing with the leftists who have zero tolerance for anything just one of them finds fault with.


I'm not one for destroying history, but it's a statue of Lee in a park called Emancipation Park. Maybe move it somewhere else.

Also, looking at the protesters, i don't really think any of them are there to have a discussion on the appropriate place for a such a monument. A possible legitimate gripe (moving a monument) has been hijacked by those wishing to male another statement.
 

WackyDan

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Er, no.

There's a difference between occasional radicals and organized, large-scale radical movements. You don't see extreme elements of BLM holding massive protests demanding the deaths of police; you do see those protests from neo-Nazis.

And you see, BLM at large condemns extremists when they pop up within its ranks. I don't see you condemning these neo-Nazis at all; you're practically cheering them on. You're a spineless coward who sees overt racism and tries to excuse it rather than fight it like a decent human being.

I've seen large contingents of BLM protesters advocating for violence against the police. "pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon"... Remember that one? Plenty video evidence out there of large groups of BLM protesters spouting hate and advocating violence.

Don't pretend that only one side is wrong in their methods of message.
 

HomerJS

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Here's the thing: I do condemn BLM extremists, as does the broader BLM movement. Shooting police is not the answer. But every neo-Nazi is a racist radical. Doesn't matter whether they couch their terms in euphemisms, like Richard Spencer, or participate in outright violence like we've seen this weekend; if you believe in white supremacy, you're a racist extremist.

So yes, you are a spineless coward. You equivocate a handful of extremists in a largely benign movement (BLM) with a group that is nothing but extremists. You're afraid of grappling with the severity of what we're seeing, because that would involve acknowledging that extremism among white Americans is far worse. All of these neo-Nazis genuinely want genocide and segregation, and you're acting as if they're just raising valid concerns in a rude way. They shout "white lives matter" not because white people are being persecuted (they aren't, sorry), but because they believe white lives are the only ones that matter.
Some people refuse to acknowledge the underlying cause during these protests and conflate. Example

Surfing contest celebration - riot people injured
Baseball game celebration - riot people injured
BLM protest - riot people injured
White Nationalist rally - riot people injured.

While bad things happened at each of these events and each event had its extremists only one of these events had an evil underlying theme/cause. Only one of these events causes should be denounced.
 
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