White Nationalist mass protest turns to riot at University of Virginia

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DrunkenSano

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Buzzfeed has a somewhat less biased view of what exactly happened based on reports from people on the ground:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/blakemontgomery/heres-what-really-happened-in-charlottesville

Highlights:
- The right-wingers were more prepared for violence. Most white supremacist and Nazi groups arrived armed like a paramilitary force — carrying shields, protective gear, rods, and yes, lots of guns, utilizing Virginia’s loose firearm laws.
- The opposition was largely winging it, preferring to establish bases in other parks with water, coffee, food, first aid, and comfort.
- A few of the counterprotesters — namely members of a group called Redneck Revolt — were armed with shotguns, assault rifles, and pistols. But there were many more guns on the right, many carried by a group called the Three Percenters, a heavily armed “patriot” militia group that’s acted as security at other alt-right rallies in Portland and elsewhere.
- Those groups [Redneck Revolt & Three Percenters], evidently aware of the real danger, appeared to keep members of each side separate from the other in certain areas. Three Percenters stood on one side of Emancipation Park, Redneck Revolters a few blocks away at a different park.

Three Percenters said in an official statement after the rally that they disowned the racist groups at Unite the Right and issued a stand-down order during the rally.
- The weapon of choice — for the police, right-wing fighters, and antifa alike — was pepper spray. Police used the most, blasting it from large canisters at protesters. None of the fights that broke out lasted very long because one side or the other would use pepper spray to rescue their combatants.
- Right-wing extremists and white nationalists fought the police, which is highly unusual. (At previous rallies in Berkeley and Portland, the alt-right has complied with police direction and sought permits for their gatherings, which has helped them maintain the stance that they are acting in self-defense when things get violent. The permits, in particular, ensure that their left-wing antagonists, often antifa in Black Bloc formation, end up on the wrong side of a police riot shield.)
- Police pushed [Unite the Right] along the entire length of the park and down the stone steps into a waiting, screaming crowd [of counter-protestors]

Sounds like both sides of extremists were just prepped for violence and the police were idiots for not keeping them far apart from each other, but in fact did the opposite. It's sad that non-violent people were caught in the middle of the mess and the tragedy ended up happening. Law enforcement really need to step up their game when rallies by controversial groups on the right and left side happens. Keep them the fuck away from each other, it's not hard to understand that having the two groups in proximity will just incite violence.
 

ch33zw1z

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Sounds like both sides of extremists were just prepped for violence and the police were idiots for not keeping them far apart from each other, but in fact did the opposite. It's sad that non-violent people were caught in the middle of the mess and the tragedy ended up happening. Law enforcement really need to step up their game when rallies by controversial groups on the right and left side happens. Keep them the fuck away from each other, it's not hard to understand that having the two groups in proximity will just incite violence.
Seems one side is much better prepared for it. Antifa should start bringing cars to a gun fight I guess.

Law enforcement stepping it up would be nice, but they need to maintain control of their own actions as well.
 

brandonbull

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Black man BAD!
White Supremacists GOOD!

You Trump lemmings should be so proud.

More like:

Non-White people good = correct
White and Non-White people good = uneducated, racist, homophobe nazi Trumptard thinking.
 

brandonbull

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Seems one side is much better prepared for it. Antifa should start bringing cars to a gun fight I guess.

Law enforcement stepping it up would be nice, but they need to maintain control of their own actions as well.
Instead of their normal IEDs, bike locks, pepper spray, rocks, and any other deadly handheld object?
 

brandonbull

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I'm taking the side that's against violence and any form of bigotry/racism. Please explain why you find that so telling?

And, if this was a Muslim who plowed his car into a crowd of people, I would judge that act evil as well....just as I do in this case. The insinuation that I would judge this somehow differently is wrong.

You seem to want to say that since you believe one side hates more than the other...that this in some way rationalizes the other's hate. Hatred begets hate...and it inevitably escalates into violence....especially when large groups of people are involved. This story is as old as humankind. Will the circle be unbroken?

Because you are only to specifically state "Nazis" and any possible left hate group call out is not permissible. General stereotyping of left and right hate groups is bad.
 

ch33zw1z

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Instead of their normal IEDs, bike locks, pepper spray, rocks, and any other deadly handheld object?
Guess cars are what the nazis want to use. Get some demolition derby action going.

Tell us again what the nazis brought?
 

brandonbull

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they are mad because antifa is a violent group, which is certainly true. Obviously, then, their violence is the same as the Nazis, therefore #bothsides# seems a statement of value to the typical Nazi-minded conservative like tajmahal and DSF. Such alt-righters don't accept the fact that groups like antifa exist and become active only because Nazis and other fascists exist. This is too complicated for them.

LOL, WHAT????? Did you just say that left leaning hate groups are ok because of the right leaning hate groups? The bad hate needs to be balanced out by the good hate in your universe?
 

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Because you are only to specifically state "Nazis" and any possible left hate group call out is not permissible. General stereotyping of left and right hate groups is bad.

LOL, WHAT????? Did you just say that left leaning hate groups are ok because of the right leaning hate groups? The bad hate needs to be balanced out by the good hate in your universe?

Sounds like both sides of extremists were just prepped for violence and the police were idiots for not keeping them far apart from each other, but in fact did the opposite. It's sad that non-violent people were caught in the middle of the mess and the tragedy ended up happening. Law enforcement really need to step up their game when rallies by controversial groups on the right and left side happens. Keep them the fuck away from each other, it's not hard to understand that having the two groups in proximity will just incite violence.

BothSides is the official klan party line today. Let's wait for @Starbuck1975 and co to join in parroting it.
 

chucky2

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LOL, WHAT????? Did you just say that left leaning hate groups are ok because of the right leaning hate groups? The bad hate needs to be balanced out by the good hate in your universe?

What he's really saying is he's mad when white people don't stay silent and compliant and don't let every other group constantly push their pet agenda narratives. Like, when how many murders by Blacks on Whites happen, there isn't a massive emo response from The Left, but one guy on the hated Not Left runs his car into some protesters, killing one, and it's the end of the world emo rage whine fest that must be met with the most biblical of condemnations. Intellectuals...if ya can't beat'em, run'em over...just kidding, just kidding (we don't want those unbiased mods to think I actually meant that)...
 

agent00f

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LOL, WHAT????? Did you just say that left leaning hate groups are ok because of the right leaning hate groups? The bad hate needs to be balanced out by the good hate in your universe?

What he's really saying is he's mad when white people don't stay silent and compliant and don't let every other group constantly push their pet agenda narratives. Like, when how many murders by Blacks on Whites happen, there isn't a massive emo response from The Left, but one guy on the hated Not Left runs his car into some protesters, killing one, and it's the end of the world emo rage whine fest that must be met with the most biblical of condemnations. Intellectuals...if ya can't beat'em, run'em over...just kidding, just kidding (we don't want those unbiased mods to think I actually meant that)...

^ How this rally got started.
 

brandonbull

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So instead of 74% of all killings it is really 74% of the narrow subset of "extremist killings". Which is a total of 372 over the last 10 according to the cited link.

https://areomagazine.com/2017/05/28...ght-wing-extremist-than-an-islamic-terrorist/

September 12 2001 - December 31 2016:
Muslim extremists = 119 deaths
Right wing extremists = 106 deaths

http://www.snopes.com/2017/06/07/threat-extremists-more/
September 12 2001 - December 31 2016:
Muslim extremists = 119 deaths
Right wing extremists = 158 deaths

Either source doesn't come close to your 74% even before including the black extremists. It goes back 15 years and would actually bias it towards the right wing point and still doesn't add up. Not good in any case but stop trying to mislead people about the dangers of extremists in the US considering the % of the population Muslims comprise in the US.
 

agent00f

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So instead of 74% of all killings it is really 74% of the narrow subset of "extremist killings". Which is a total of 372 over the last 10 according to the cited link.

https://areomagazine.com/2017/05/28...ght-wing-extremist-than-an-islamic-terrorist/

September 12 2001 - December 31 2016:
Muslim extremists = 119 deaths
Right wing extremists = 106 deaths

http://www.snopes.com/2017/06/07/threat-extremists-more/
September 12 2001 - December 31 2016:
Muslim extremists = 119 deaths
Right wing extremists = 158 deaths

Either source doesn't come close to your 74% even before including the black extremists. It goes back 15 years and would actually bias it towards the right wing point and still doesn't add up. Not good in any case but stop trying to mislead people about the dangers of extremists in the US considering the % of the population Muslims comprise in the US.
Wasn't the rally peaceful until the Anti's showed up? Hmmm.....

^ Supports everything about the klan, but totally-not-klansmen.
 
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