White Nationalist mass protest turns to riot at University of Virginia

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ivwshane

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Nope, but I think that is how people want to play this. Absolutely racism and Nazis are bad. I think that until someone has committed acts of violence then we should also refrain in acts of violence against them. I'm not saying we have a standoff until they do, but I am saying lets not go around committing acts of violence.

There is a difference from having a belief and committing an act. Somehow, people see that the racism held by those people is enough to use violence.

So answer this, do you think attacking a Nazi is going to cure that person? I bet your answer is no. so what do you think the inevitable conclusion will be. Hint, it ain't a tea party.


Oh, so you do support violence! I guess it's just a matter of when. Congrats, you are now on the same page as most other people on this thread and including MLK who understood violence wasn't ideal but sometimes necessary.
 

agent00f

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realibrad

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Oh, so you do support violence! I guess it's just a matter of when. Congrats, you are now on the same page as most other people on this thread and including MLK who understood violence wasn't ideal but sometimes necessary.

WTF?

Yeah, defending your self from violence by using violence is not in question. What is in question is using violence for people that have not committed violence. You have people on here wanting to wipe out people because they have bad beliefs.

Are you okay with mob justice murdering people that they deem have bad beliefs? Pretty fucking scary world that would be.
 

pcgeek11

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It's not only their beliefs it's that they intend to act on them. That has always been true with Nazi's. Given the country's climate and that they feel emboldened by the guy at the top... They must be stopped.

So now we are guessing what someones "intent" is.

I have no use for Nazi's or what they believe in, but I do not believe in persecuting someone based on their beliefs or my guess on their intent may be. When a law is broken then justice should be swift.

In short I don't believe in thought police.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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WTF?

Yeah, defending your self from violence by using violence is not in question. What is in question is using violence for people that have not committed violence. You have people on here wanting to wipe out people because they have bad beliefs.

Are you okay with mob justice murdering people that they deem have bad beliefs? Pretty fucking scary world that would be.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing the topic of the OP where admitted nazis came armed and ready to fight and murdered counter protestors.

How silly of me.

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...an-conservatives.2515780/page-5#post-39039203

Called it.
 

Younigue

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So now we are guessing what someones "intent" is.

I have no use for Nazi's or what they believe in, but I do not believe in persecuting someone based on their beliefs or my guess on their intent may be. When a law is broken then justice should be swift.

In short I don't believe in thought police.

I don't disagree about thought police. Who knew we could ever agree on anything? Nazi's are different and I don't believe for a moment that you don't know that. Nazi's are not well intentioned people nor do they want to be.
 

alien42

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The objective reality here looks pretty simple: the gop can't afford lose to the klan/nazi vote, which is why all the conservatives are doing what they can for the charlottesville crowd.

nah, i think the GOP can't separate themselves from the klan/nazi vote because their core beliefs and policies are identical.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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No that's not the debate at all. That's what nazi apologists like you wish to make it about.

As usual you are wrong again. Read the thread.

They ( realibrad and j.wilkins ) are debating over killing for someones beliefs, In this thread.

And for the record show where I have apologized for any nazi.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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nah, i think the GOP can't separate themselves from the klan/nazi vote because their core beliefs and policies are identical.

Exactly, the venn diagram of gop constituent groups approximate a circle. It should come as a surprise to no one that soon as nazis/klan get in trouble, their buddies will come a-running to help out however they can same as dear leader:

So now we are guessing what someones "intent" is.

I have no use for Nazi's or what they believe in, but I do not believe in persecuting someone based on their beliefs or my guess on their intent may be. When a law is broken then justice should be swift.

In short I don't believe in thought police.
WTF?

Yeah, defending your self from violence by using violence is not in question. What is in question is using violence for people that have not committed violence. You have people on here wanting to wipe out people because they have bad beliefs.

Are you okay with mob justice murdering people that they deem have bad beliefs? Pretty fucking scary world that would be.
 

chucky2

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If you've experienced situations that you'd equate to racism that many times, you're likely the common denominator. That's just an abnormally high amount of incidences. If you're not lying in order to "prove" a point, logically, you are likely be the cause of a large number of these encounters. If you consider self-improvement to be a goal in your life, I would seriously consider talking to someone about these experiences.

Well, how many times do you need to ride the train to work with your earphones in but the music off, or, not even have any earphones on, listening to blacks run their racist mouths? Sitting there surrounded by blacks that could stamp out that racism, but, somehow, just can't bring themselves to? How many racist things do you listen to said in schools? Parking lots? Grocery stores? Etc? I know the modern Whitey likes to be the 'racist against Whitey' ostrich, but, if you just open your ears and eyes, and are in areas where you're a minority (well, minorities being racist is so accepted now they don't even need to be in their own areas), there is ample opportunity. Multiple that by 30 years or so, and you get my off the cuff SWAG of 300-400. Hell, it's probably more. I didn't arrive at where I'm at by accident...
 

alien42

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As usual you are wrong again. Read the thread.

They ( realibrad and j.wilkins ) are debating over killing for someones beliefs, In this thread.

And for the record show where I have apologized for any nazi.

it appears that they are debating over violence yet you somehow twisted that into "killing someone"

let's get this straight. you just accused someone for being wrong, then followed with a statement that was clearly wrong.

this isn't a new problem for you either.
 

jackstar7

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Improvement from killing them at least.

Also, what is the safeguard from Nazi (agreed bad) to locking up people for have beliefs the state does not like? Would you be okay with giving Trump the power to lock up people he thinks has bad beliefs?

I'll do you one better, will you start monitoring online activity and lock people up based on their IPs when they visit Stormfront or the like?

How badly do you want to clean things up?
 

ivwshane

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So now we are guessing what someones "intent" is.

I have no use for Nazi's or what they believe in, but I do not believe in persecuting someone based on their beliefs or my guess on their intent may be. When a law is broken then justice should be swift.

In short I don't believe in thought police.

Unless they are Muslim right?

Oh. So you didn't see all of those people jumping out of the windows in the world trade center buildings after those Islamic terrorist flew two planes into them? Or all of those bodies they dug out of the rubble? Thousands we are talking, innocent men and women. How about the reporters and aid workers getting their heads chopped off? I suppose you never heard about those either. How about the Christians in Iraq that were burned alive? Or the children?


It isn't the US against the Islamic Terrorist. It is the Islamic Terrorist against the rest of the world.


Really! You are slow.

Let me guess, killing 9 innocent black people while they attend church is different. Running people over at rally isn't really terrorism. Burning mosques and terrorizing people with turbans are just the actions of a few bad apples right?

Oops, looks like your hypocrisy is showing again.
 

agent00f

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Well, how many times do you need to ride the train to work with your earphones in but the music off, or, not even have any earphones on, listening to blacks run their racist mouths? Sitting there surrounded by blacks that could stamp out that racism, but, somehow, just can't bring themselves to? How many racist things do you listen to said in schools? Parking lots? Grocery stores? Etc? I know the modern Whitey likes to be the 'racist against Whitey' ostrich, but, if you just open your ears and eyes, and are in areas where you're a minority (well, minorities being racist is so accepted now they don't even need to be in their own areas), there is ample opportunity. Multiple that by 30 years or so, and you get my off the cuff SWAG of 300-400. Hell, it's probably more. I didn't arrive at where I'm at by accident...

Time for someone from the klan rally to join his colleagues.
 

pcgeek11

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I don't disagree about thought police. Who knew we could ever agree on anything? Nazi's are different and I don't believe for a moment that you don't know that. Nazi's are not well intentioned people nor do they want to be.

I agree, but until an actual action is taken and a law is broken there is no reason to be violent towards them. Observation and surveillance is fine and justified for suspected intent.
 

chucky2

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I don't give one iota of you're overweight. Your mind, heart and soul are small. Doesn't matter how much weight you carry

lol, whatever you need to tell yourself. As I've said, I get along just fine with my racist neighbors. If I was that small of a person, we'd all have restraining orders setup...

Additionally, concerning your other post... I have many good experiences with people of other races (including my own), sexuality, religion. That's because I'm a good person. I feel no white guilt or whatever it is you call it. I feel I owe humans decency for no other reason but that I am their fellow human. There is nothing about our history that makes me choose to be decent. I do it because that's who I want to be.

Sure you do, see below...

The experience I specifically mentioned, I did not approach these women with hat in hand. I approached them firmly, telling them that they did not know me and that they were closing themselves off to a large world by being presumptuous. That by doing so they would likely miss out on some truly wonderful people being in their lives. I told them that I am a funny, smart, kind, open-minded/hearted person and that regardless of what they might continue to feel about me after i walked away that my promise to them was to get to know them individually before forming an opinion. I became close with one of them from that moment on, she even walked away with me. She wanted to know about my Marine boyfriend (she had considered joining the Marines rather than the Navy).[/QUOTE]

You needed to run right over there and try and get that acceptance in. If you did that to any group doing that to you around here, they'd laugh right in your F'ing face. Or, be fake so they can fake use you, while you sucker White Guilt derp a derp like you're accomplishing something. But hey, maybe you found a diamond in the rough eh? Nothing you've said is going to change my 30 years of direct experience. When you can time travel with me back in time, see what I've seen, heard what I've heard, experienced what I've experienced, then maybe you'll get where I'm coming from. The sad thing is, the way sucka Whitey is raised now, they'll get the same stuff and can't White Guilt (omg my 'white privilege') fast enough...they are that mind F'd... (truly Mission Accomplished! for Liberals)
 

chucky2

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This has to be one of the funniest and least aware posts I have ever read on here. This idiot is tallying his perceived black on white racist incidents in order to justify his own racism.

Never change chucky, you always bring the laughs. That you don't seem to understand why just makes it better.

Lil Nickie!!!!! <bouncing bunny.giv> My god it's been so long since I've been Nick'd! AgentFail is my new favorite poster, displacing your entertainment, but don't worry Nickie, you know I still enjoy your Nick'ing!

P.S. Extra LOL for thinking I tally my racist experiences with minorities who can't possibly be racist (I mean, they're not White, so, they can't be racist!) Scream laugh...hahahahhahahaha....

P.P.S. WhyTF would someone who is always right change? Oh poor Nickie, your cousin AgentFail is just like you...hahhaahahaha....
 

agent00f

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Hey, I'll even have an RV this weekend...lol...

Speaking of which, has anyone ever seen any member of the klan defense force here ever say the least bad thing about rally attendee types like chuck/svnla/roflmouth/gamervivek/etc?
 

pcgeek11

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Unless they are Muslim right?



Let me guess, killing 9 innocent black people while they attend church is different. Running people over at rally isn't really terrorism. Burning mosques and terrorizing people with turbans are just the actions of a few bad apples right?

Oops, looks like your hypocrisy is showing again.

Oh my god, are you serious?

Show me where I have ever advocated for violence against someone for their beliefs or where I said " killing 9 innocent black people while they attend church is different, Running people over at rally isn't really terrorism or Burning mosques and terrorizing people with turbans are just the actions of a few bad apples ".

You are using the same tactic you always use against anyone that doesn't agree with you. Pull up some vague shit and post it out of all context just to attempt to discredit. I refuse to play your stupid game. You know I am right.
 

chucky2

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Speaking of which, has anyone ever seen any member of the klan defense force here ever say the least bad thing about rally attendee types like chuck/svnla/roflmouth/gamervivek/etc?

Why would they say something bad about me Fail? I'm generally never wrong, the Intellectuals and/or White Guilters just don't like being exposed to actual Reality...
 

agent00f

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Why would they say something bad about me Fail? I'm generally never wrong, the Intellectuals and/or White Guilters just don't like being exposed to actual Reality...

Of course, why would your colleagues ever disagree with you.
 

pcgeek11

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it appears that they are debating over violence yet you somehow twisted that into "killing someone"

let's get this straight. you just accused someone for being wrong, then followed with a statement that was clearly wrong.

this isn't a new problem for you either.

This is what they were discussing, so fuck you.

Jesus.

Here you have it people. Someone who literally wants to Kill people for their beliefs. If this is the type of world you want to live in the fuck us all. I really do hope people realize how fucked we will all be if people like you get their way.

Yes, if your belief is that you are part of the master race and a final solution is necessary and this is your goal then you have to be stopped. If the only way to stop you is to kill you then so be it.

Tens if not hundreds of millions of lives could have been spared if this had been done the last time around.
 

realibrad

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Oh I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing the topic of the OP where admitted nazis came armed and ready to fight and murdered counter protestors.

How silly of me.

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...an-conservatives.2515780/page-5#post-39039203

Called it.

You called nothing. I have been talking to those that want to use violence against those they consider Nazis but have committed no Acts. You created an argument in your head that was not had.
 
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