However, I'm not getting why the left insists on giving Karl Marx and the Communists a complete pass, given that the Communist movement killed even more people and was in some ways even more morally repugnant.
I've thought about this a bit, and I think it's because, in its pure form, communism is interested in the greater good of all the people. Of course in practice, it lends itself to dictatorial regimes and is not a model that should followed.
Nazis, on the other hand, are purely interested in supremacy, domination and subjugation.
The base motivations of the two ideologies are completely different.
Just a heads up you're arguing with people who conscientiously protect the nazis/klan in exchange for votes. Werepossum et al know their GOP can't win without white nationalists, which is why he's so eager to make charlottesville about communism or blacks or whatever other leftists, just like dear leader.
Of course there are plenty of "independents" or even democrats perfectly willing to go along with that transparent political charade for their own reasons.
I know exactly who I'm talking to. Werepossum and I have both been here a very long time.
But thanks for the heads up... I guess...
Yes, but very much worth the reposting.
That must be why you're playing along with the charade that he's "ignorant" of following in dear leader's footsteps for the cause. I'm sure he'll be "educated" by your obvious observation above.
So now we are guessing what someones "intent" is.
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Seriously, why do you have to interject yourself into every discussion?
This is what they were discussing, so fuck you.
I'm curious whether it's safe to assume you understood what I said, but felt compelled to mouth off in return since a coherent counterargument wasn't forthcoming between your ears. This is not a rhetorical question, it will have bearing on what I say next.
You presume that I care what you think.
Nazis will never have power in this country unless they try to take it by force. Should it come to that force would obviously be required to stop them.
There aren't nearly enough of them to succeed in that endeavor & there likely never will be, given the reaction from the public every time they crawl out from under their rocks. It's fine by me if the Klan & the rest of the Alt-right want to associate themselves with actual Nazis because they're showing their true colors. Now they're all fucking Nazis
Well said, and I agree. This is why I disagree with those who say we must win via education; those who embrace such an ethos may one day fix themselves, but I doubt anyone holds such views from a lack of education.
However, I'm not getting why the left insists on giving Karl Marx and the Communists a complete pass, given that the Communist movement killed even more people and was in some ways even more morally repugnant.
Communists ? Socialists? Yes, they are all guilty in the murders of millions of their citizens.
Interesting question. I strongly disagree with Nazis and their worldview, but I don't hate them in an emotional way.
Kind of a waste of time, he's advocated violence and murder against some members of this forum and anyone he labels as a Nazi for whatever the reason. He feels justified as do his lickspittles in calling for violence and murder in his jihad against his opponents. I'm just surprised he's been able to continue his rants.
so if the intent is to show up and stop Nazis before their admitted goal of stopping you...then what's the problem? I thought the right was all into self-defense and what not?
Why so defensive of Nazis and their intent to murder? this is bizarro world.
1930s Germany allowed the nazi to speak. Where did that get them?I asked if he wanted to kill people who have done nothing other than having admittedly bad beliefs. He said that the belief itself is violence so killing them is justified. I don't think this is a fight worth continuing. Put aside any disagreements you may have had in the past, because, that shit is crazy.
1930s Germany allowed the nazi to speak. Where did that get them?
So the only way to stop people who want to kill those they dislike is to kill them.
My god.
Its okay to kill all the bad people because you are part of the good people. What other solution is there right?
I wouldn't lump Karl Marx in with the actual 20th century communist movements in terms of giving anyone "a pass." Marx was a revolutionary. He didn't believe in totalitarian government. There's no evidence he believed in genocide. I've seen some statements of his interpreted that way, but I don't think those interpretations are correct. Anyway, Marx was right and wrong about many things. Evaluating him is complex. One thing I will say, however, is that it's ridiculous to hold him responsible for Stalin killing 10 million people 60 years after he died, or Pol Pot killing 3 million people 90 years after he died. I don't believe in whitewashing the crimes of real world communist movements. Stalin was a monster, every bit as awful as Hitler. However, I have a hard time putting that on Marx himself. I don't think it was necessarily foreseeable to Marx when did his thinking and writing in the late 19th century.
1930s Germany allowed the nazi to speak. Where did that get them?
You think Nazi's just dislike Jews? White Supremacists just dislike blacks? Holy shit, we have stupid people here.
No, I will not play your silly game either.
They believe in totally different things. If you don't know what those things are look it up.