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realibrad

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Did the violence done to the Nazis last time around stop them?

Nope. That is why their ideas are still around.

What is your proposition here? Ignore them until they are too many to ignore?

Already answered this, but I'll answer it again. I have not and will not advocate for ignoring these people. We do things like what Tina Fay is doing and make these people into a joke. We show how fucked up their ideas are and talk about it openly. We shun the bad ideas and promote the good ideas.

You are not born a racist. Ill use this quote by someone who said it far better than I ever could.

“People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite... Man's goodness is a flame that can be hidden but never extinguished.”

You have a fucker in charge of DailyStormer that encourages murder and says he's glad the girl is dead, how should that be dealt with?

Depends. If he is saying and promoting murder that is a crime and punishable. If he is saying he is glad for a sick act such as the girl who was murdered, we do the aforementioned.

Same as ISIS or are Nazis too special little creatures that you somehow consider too precious to fuck up?

This is the important part. You have bloodlust and want to take it out on someone. You want to personally punish those people. You are morally justified to hurt people. You dont want to hurt them to improve society, you just want to hurt them.

I don't think anyone has supported ISIS and I know I have not. I have also never supported Nazis and racist. I do believe in a society bound by rules and laws. I am not for anarchy and letting individuals come up with their own rules and punishments.

If you want that world, then get out of the society that was built upon rejecting those very ideas.
 

realibrad

Lifer
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Of course you are confused. You need a bit of existentialism right now to understand your confusion over this is because you just arent very smart. Dumb people are dangerous because they think they are smart.

Okay smart guy, then explain it to me. You called me dumb, but you did not explain yourself.
 

J.Wilkins

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Nope. That is why their ideas are still around.



Already answered this, but I'll answer it again. I have not and will not advocate for ignoring these people. We do things like what Tina Fay is doing and make these people into a joke. We show how fucked up their ideas are and talk about it openly. We shun the bad ideas and promote the good ideas.

You are not born a racist. Ill use this quote by someone who said it far better than I ever could.

“People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite... Man's goodness is a flame that can be hidden but never extinguished.”



Depends. If he is saying and promoting murder that is a crime and punishable. If he is saying he is glad for a sick act such as the girl who was murdered, we do the aforementioned.



This is the important part. You have bloodlust and want to take it out on someone. You want to personally punish those people. You are morally justified to hurt people. You dont want to hurt them to improve society, you just want to hurt them.

I don't think anyone has supported ISIS and I know I have not. I have also never supported Nazis and racist. I do believe in a society bound by rules and laws. I am not for anarchy and letting individuals come up with their own rules and punishments.

If you want that world, then get out of the society that was built upon rejecting those very ideas.

I do think that some people are literally so easily brought to these ideologies (ISIS, Nazism, Al Q and so on) that it's unavoidable.

What's your take on how ISIS is being dealt with? No sore feeling for those precious belief holders being callously killed?

Punching a Nazi or an antifa member serves a purpose you fool, it shows that their idiocy is not tolerated. If enough people do it they will eventually get the idea, it hurts like fuck to be a retarded Nazi boi.
 

realibrad

Lifer
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The idea started out small and he wasn't stopped by the people or anyone else.

The tactics used work on some groups of people which is why they are still used (Trump specifically followed the Göbbels tactics to a T).

And what conditions did Hitler form under? Obviously racism was a massive factor and he could not have come about without it, but it was a perfect storm.

The western world punished Germany causing extreme poverty. This caused people to become disparate. Hitler gave a scapegoat and a solution. Because nobody else had any argument, people started to listen. As the movement grew, those who did not support his ideas were willing to try because how much worse could it get. Once he started becoming popular his full opinions came about. People started to go along with what he said because of previous racism, but also because he was improving things by casting off the real reason for their poverty which were the sanctions from WWI.

People largely did not speak out against Hitler because they did not care. Hitler was not stopped because nobody cared to stop him. We are different. If you question this, then why are we talking about it now?

I fully agree that far too many are willing to buy into this BS. I am also saying that we get people out of supporting this. You do not stop this by kicking skulls and beating people. But like I said, you want blood and not progress.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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I see, so you will respond to something I did not say to you, but not respond to the question I did ask you.
Indeed. Because you're looking to argue, and doing a bang up job.

I quoted that post, cuz damn dude. Hope you're pretending you don't get the inference.
 

realibrad

Lifer
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I do think that some people are literally so easily brought to these ideologies (ISIS, Nazism, Al Q and so on) that it's unavoidable.

What's your take on how ISIS is being dealt with? No sore feeling for those precious belief holders being callously killed?

Punching a Nazi or an antifa member serves a purpose you fool, it shows that their idiocy is not tolerated. If enough people do it they will eventually get the idea, it hurts like fuck to be a retarded Nazi boi.

I think you should put "pew pew I'm a cowboy" because you are echoing the ideas of the Right. Go into the middle east and kill all those bastards that have violent ideas. It works so well eh? I mean, its not like ISIS formed because a few in power thought they could use violence to stop ideas right?

ISIS is built upon horrible ideas. They do horrible evil things. We do need to use violence to stop their spread of violence. Its also true that they formed because of the violence committed at trying to stop bad ideas. But hey, fuck them and fuck everyone else.
 

realibrad

Lifer
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Indeed. Because you're looking to argue, and doing a bang up job.

I quoted that post, cuz damn dude. Hope you're pretending you don't get the inference.

If I were sure that I had, I would not have asked. I have no problem admitting when I do not understand something. So, if he wont explain, will you?
 

J.Wilkins

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And what conditions did Hitler form under? Obviously racism was a massive factor and he could not have come about without it, but it was a perfect storm.

The western world punished Germany causing extreme poverty. This caused people to become disparate. Hitler gave a scapegoat and a solution. Because nobody else had any argument, people started to listen. As the movement grew, those who did not support his ideas were willing to try because how much worse could it get. Once he started becoming popular his full opinions came about. People started to go along with what he said because of previous racism, but also because he was improving things by casting off the real reason for their poverty which were the sanctions from WWI.

People largely did not speak out against Hitler because they did not care. Hitler was not stopped because nobody cared to stop him. We are different. If you question this, then why are we talking about it now?

I fully agree that far too many are willing to buy into this BS. I am also saying that we get people out of supporting this. You do not stop this by kicking skulls and beating people. But like I said, you want blood and not progress.

Present the people with an enemy (Mexican rapists, refugees, whatever you can think of) and declare yourself the only person who can save them (Trump literally did this) and people will follow you.

The Nazi movement will continue to grow, sponsored by Russia all over the world both in parties and social media and you will not do a damn thing.

Because you don't think that a genocidal ideology is all that bad, for some reason.
 

J.Wilkins

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I think you should put "pew pew I'm a cowboy" because you are echoing the ideas of the Right. Go into the middle east and kill all those bastards that have violent ideas. It works so well eh? I mean, its not like ISIS formed because a few in power thought they could use violence to stop ideas right?

ISIS is built upon horrible ideas. They do horrible evil things. We do need to use violence to stop their spread of violence. Its also true that they formed because of the violence committed at trying to stop bad ideas. But hey, fuck them and fuck everyone else.

I agree with the bold and I'm arguing the same for other groups that share the same ideology of genocide.
 

agent00f

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Present the people with an enemy (Mexican rapists, refugees, whatever you can think of) and declare yourself the only person who can save them (Trump literally did this) and people will follow you.

The Nazi movement will continue to grow, sponsored by Russia all over the world both in parties and social media and you will not do a damn thing.

Because you don't think that a genocidal ideology is all that bad, for some reason.

This guy sure pretends to hate genocide for someone who can't see much wrong with roflmouth's plan for the muslims.
 

ivwshane

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Who would of thought that groups like ISIS and nazi could have been defeated with hugs and jokes!

He might be right though, there hasn't been a joke about nazis or shaming of them since they were defeated in the forties and now look at them, growing strong, so strong they managed to get their kind in the white house. We should have continued with hugs and jokes because they wouldn't even exist if we did.

/s
 

realibrad

Lifer
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I agree with the bold and I'm arguing the same for other groups that share the same ideology of genocide.

But they are not at the point of committing violence. What you want to do is go around attacking people if they have beliefs, that, while in this case almost all of us feel are bad, are beliefs and not acts. ISIS is committing acts. They are murdering people, putting them into slavery, on top of spreading their ideas.

If violence worked in stopping ideas, then why was the middle east a failure?
 

realibrad

Lifer
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you are dumb. sorry. You aren't pants shitting retard level dumb but fuck. You are the prime target of nazi propaganda.

So who did you post your comment for when you responded to me? Was it for me, or for other people whom already agree with you? Why not just explain it to me?
 

Younigue

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Bingo, thank you for proving me right again. You can't cure bad ideas, so you better stop that idea with Violence.

So tell me genius, does punching Nazis stop the belief? Because the only conclusion I see is that you must kill them if your goal is to remove the idea that cannot be cured through reason.

You're going in circles my man.
 

J.Wilkins

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But they are not at the point of committing violence. What you want to do is go around attacking people if they have beliefs, that, while in this case almost all of us feel are bad, are beliefs and not acts. ISIS is committing acts. They are murdering people, putting them into slavery, on top of spreading their ideas.

If violence worked in stopping ideas, then why was the middle east a failure?

Their stated goal is genocide. That is a GOAL, they are WORKING TOWARDS THIS GOAL.

How fucking stupid are you?

We should wait until they grow in numbers and then stop them? How did that work out last time around? They already have the support of Russia who are sponsoring parties and organizations both monetarily and ideologically. But hey, maybe Russia is small potatoes and we should do what was done last time around, sit around with our thumbs up our arses.

The ME has been fucked for so long by so many different nations but no one has ever fucked the ME like the US has. When you get a bunch of desperate people who no longer have homes or who lost children/parents and introduce a violent ideology they will follow.

This does not explain how the fuck there are Nazis in the US or the UK.

I'm sorry but Nazism is an unacceptable ideology, if you are so fucked in the skull that you yearn for genocide and think your retarded arse is part of some master race you really, really, REALLY need to learn that being stupid or being evil has to hurt.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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But they are not at the point of committing violence. What you want to do is go around attacking people if they have beliefs, that, while in this case almost all of us feel are bad, are beliefs and not acts. ISIS is committing acts. They are murdering people, putting them into slavery, on top of spreading their ideas.

If violence worked in stopping ideas, then why was the middle east a failure?
U think we're in the middle east to stop ideas, how quaint.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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The western world punished Germany causing extreme poverty. This caused people to become disparate. Hitler gave a scapegoat and a solution. Because nobody else had any argument, people started to listen. As the movement grew, those who did not support his ideas were willing to try because how much worse could it get. Once he started becoming popular his full opinions came about. People started to go along with what he said because of previous racism, but also because he was improving things by casting off the real reason for their poverty which were the sanctions from WWI.

No. The reparations ended in mid 1932, months before Hitler took power.
 

agent00f

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No. The reparations ended in mid 1932, months before Hitler took power.

Nazi apologists love to blame bad economic conditions, aka anything but right wing ideology. No wonder the third world is starting world wars and genociding left and right.
 
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