I'm still gonna do it! Magic, amirite? This could be as devastating as the time I out of the blue tried to run up a wall like they do in the movies. Suffice it to say, my Big toe was I'll prepared to hold up to the entire weight of me. I'm not kidding when I say I was 100% confident I would succeed.Meh, nvm.
Yup, pretty funny. Guess I gotta learn that one now lol.I'm still gonna do it! Magic, amirite? This could be as devastating as the time I out of the blue tried to run up a wall like they do in the movies. Suffice it to say, my Big toe was I'll prepared to hold up to the entire weight of me. I'm not kidding when I say I was 100% confident I would succeed.
Did you watch CoinciDance?
Interesting analogy you draw here, between burning a Koran and tearing down a statute of a confederate leader. If southerners are still clinging to the confederacy, 150 years after it's gone, like religious people cling to their holy books in perpetuity, then something is wrong here. The south needs to get over its obsession with revering a long dead institution and group of people who fought for their continued right to enslave other human beings. I can't really see much difference here between this and a bunch of Germans getting hot and bothered over tearing down statues of Nazis.
This isn't going to settle and fade into dust. If it hasn't after 150 years, I don't see why you would assume it ever will.
You seem awfully concerned about provoking white southerners by tearing down statues of their heroes. Are you at all concerned with how black people feel about these statues and symbols? You don't think their very existence is a form of provocation to blacks? Why are white southerners and their creepy obsession with dead racists the only people who matter in this country?
The Confederacy wasn't fighting for genocide, it was fighting to preserve the status quo. Yes, that included slavery... but that had been part of human society from the earliest days. It was similar to fighting for a Monarchy, a King, an outdated and immoral institution... but it still mattered to them. It defined their economy, their understanding of the world. It was wrong, but it was normal to them. It was not an aggressive, world conquering, form of genocide. It sure as hell wasn't Nazi.
The United States was split into two, we fraught a terrible and most costly war (25% of all Southern fighting aged men). In the end the two sides came back together. General Lee saw, best as he could, to the orderly surrender of the Confederacy and the restoration of the United States as a whole nation. That restoration was contingent on some degree of mutual respect. Yes, they lost the war and had to yield to righteous demands, but they were still our brothers and sisters. They were born Americans, they fought Americans, but they died Americans. We gave them that honor, a small price to pay for the Union made whole.
You describe the South as if Slavery is the only thing to define it. As if there are no fellow Americans, no shared history, no honored heritage, no respect to be given. It is a view antithetical to the concept of a United States. Where one segment spits on and despises the other. Where, after 150 years of progress we must suddenly turn back the clock, open old wounds, and risk conflict anew. And for what? Why support provocation now?
I'll tell you why. In the most recent decade humanity has lost its god damned mind. If it ever had one. Now we face tribalism gone wild, and even the former champions of enlightenment have turned against their teachings and instead rave for fresh divisions and new transgressions. E Pluribus Unum, the True American Dream, has been cast aside for identity politics where the enemy is everyone not yourself. @agent00f exemplifies the worst of this failing, who honors only himself, and only lives to demonize others. To make war, not peace.
"No peace for Nazis".Again, the argument for stereotyping and generalizing, far removed from enlightenment. To collectively punish the many for the crimes of a few. Are all Southerners Nazis now? Are all Muslims terrorists? I draw the parallel because both groups have demons, and there are widespread calls, powerful interests at work, to label all among them as demons. For us to bring wrath down upon them all. The war cry, itself, is evil.
There are "fine people" in the South, just as there are "fine people" in the Middle East. We only harm them through provocation, as President Obama had warned us. I was too ignorant to listen, although I'd still argue a copy of a book is far less important than a Mosque, or a Monument. It's the same principle. Obama was right about destructive acts, that Muslims are not our enemy.
It's a shame that Americans now consider themselves the enemy, and want to forgo all lessons of enlightenment.
Fade, over time. Progress has been made every day of every year. Segregation became a pearl to clutch onto, but they lost that fight without a second war. They bowed to the will of our Union. To peace. The Civil Rights act lives on through the South, and every year since integration, though difficult, has taken root. Every year there are more outsiders moving in, such as myself having originally been born and raised in California. Every year there are more interracial couples, and children among us. Every year the old, angry, men pass away taking their scars with them. Every year it becomes more tolerable to consider ourselves one nation, one people.
Until now, when recent provocations create new scars.
To live and let live does not mean choosing one over the over. It does not mean taking hateful and divisive action. Inaction is sometimes the best course when faced with something that is vanishing over time. Rather than dig it up, make it new again, you can let it stay buried in the past. To directly tear down and assault Southern heritage, their history, their wounded honor, is not going to help keep the peace. It is not going to help with integration.
One would hope they listen to Dr. King and value that dream instead of seeking some misguided sense of vengeance.
The burden is on people wanting to take action, for why they value starting a cycle of violence? Why stop progress?
Thank you! I do love laughing!
You are the most intellectual dishonest person on this forum. I've never once supported white supremacy, the alt-right or Nazis. I do hold conservative opinions, and it is my shame as a conservative that Trump emboldens and empowers racists and the GOP refuses to denounce Trump or the events of the past few weeks because he is providing a useful smokescreen to their true agenda.It's true that the klan/nazis really help make my point about conservatism. I mean, here were @Starbuck1975, @realibrad, @Zstream, @werepossum, @Doc Savage Fan, and so many others making the same arguments to protect their own as you, david duke, chucky, and trump. All birds of a feather.
One would do well to realize all that this slavery entailed, things like paedophilia was legal because fucking your property was legal even if the girl was 6 years old, gutting your slave was legal and so on.
It wasn't just that they were forced to work hard labour, they were legally property without any legal protection and shit like slave owners raping their slaves was more common than not.
And you're talking about principles... fuck off with that shit.
It is good for any society to turn on people who support these acts, it makes society better. Progress was made by enforcing laws to remove the horrible things that these people want, they are not fit for civil society, hell they are not even fit for life.
Outsiders have been moving in since the dawn of time, everywhere, if that hadn't been the case there wouldn't be a human race, we would have been a lost species in the annals of genetic history.
Not to mention the empowerment bestowed upon them by the religious right and their mind controlled flocks who will believe whatever they're told to. Prove all things and hold onto that which is good has been replaced by believe whatever your religious leaders tell you to believe which is why when the blind lead the blind they both fall into the ditch.You are the most intellectual dishonest person on this forum. I've never once supported white supremacy, the alt-right or Nazis. I do hold conservative opinions, and it is my shame as a conservative that Trump emboldens and empowers racists and the GOP refuses to denounce Trump or the events of the past few weeks because he is providing a useful smokescreen to their true agenda.
Not a challenge, just curious...which conservative opinions?You are the most intellectual dishonest person on this forum. I've never once supported white supremacy, the alt-right or Nazis. I do hold conservative opinions, and it is my shame as a conservative that Trump emboldens and empowers racists and the GOP refuses to denounce Trump or the events of the past few weeks because he is providing a useful smokescreen to their true agenda.
Name one person on this forum that support these acts. Not some bull crap spread by agent or his following.
Well I can't quote agent since I have him on ignore, probably should put more people on ignore.
You can read what I responded to and figure out the context from that, I'm sure.
Oh wait, you're extra special stupid, aren't you. Well then, ask your mum to explain it to you.
You are the most intellectual dishonest person on this forum. I've never once supported white supremacy, the alt-right or Nazis. I do hold conservative opinions, and it is my shame as a conservative that Trump emboldens and empowers racists and the GOP refuses to denounce Trump or the events of the past few weeks because he is providing a useful smokescreen to their true agenda.
You said it's good for people to stand up for those who support those awful acts. I asked, who supports them. Not sure why you're angry.
Not to mention the empowerment bestowed upon them by the religious right and their mind controlled flocks who will believe whatever they're told to. Prove all things and hold onto that which is good has been replaced by believe whatever your religious leaders tell you to believe which is why when the blind lead the blind they both fall into the ditch.
Anything to piss that ah heck off. He is one of the few I kept on ignore. Could you tell him from me Women Are The Better Gender!You're most welcome and thank you too.
Now... a question of civility, should I wink or smile... either way Orooorooaooaoaoaooaoaoao will think it's a sign that feminism is taking over.
So because fuck orrororoor
Anything to piss that ****************** off. He is one of the grew I kept on ignore. Could you tell him from me Women Are The Better Gender!
The Confederacy wasn't fighting for genocide, it was fighting to preserve the status quo. Yes, that included slavery... but that had been part of human society from the earliest days. It was similar to fighting for a Monarchy, a King, an outdated and immoral institution... but it still mattered to them. It defined their economy, their understanding of the world. It was wrong, but it was normal to them. It was not an aggressive, world conquering, form of genocide. It sure as hell wasn't Nazi.
The United States was split into two, we fraught a terrible and most costly war (25% of all Southern fighting aged men). In the end the two sides came back together. General Lee saw, best as he could, to the orderly surrender of the Confederacy and the restoration of the United States as a whole nation. That restoration was contingent on some degree of mutual respect. Yes, they lost the war and had to yield to righteous demands, but they were still our brothers and sisters. They were born Americans, they fought Americans, but they died Americans. We gave them that honor, a small price to pay for the Union made whole.
You describe the South as if Slavery is the only thing to define it. As if there are no fellow Americans, no shared history, no honored heritage, no respect to be given. It is a view antithetical to the concept of a United States. Where one segment spits on and despises the other. Where, after 150 years of progress we must suddenly turn back the clock, open old wounds, and risk conflict anew. And for what? Why support provocation now?
I'll tell you why. In the most recent decade humanity has lost its god damned mind. If it ever had one. Now we face tribalism gone wild, and even the former champions of enlightenment have turned against their teachings and instead rave for fresh divisions and new transgressions. E Pluribus Unum, the True American Dream, has been cast aside for identity politics where the enemy is everyone not yourself. @agent00f exemplifies the worst of this failing, who honors only himself, and only lives to demonize others. To make war, not peace.
"No peace for Nazis".Again, the argument for stereotyping and generalizing, far removed from enlightenment. To collectively punish the many for the crimes of a few. Are all Southerners Nazis now? Are all Muslims terrorists? I draw the parallel because both groups have demons, and there are widespread calls, powerful interests at work, to label all among them as demons. For us to bring wrath down upon them all. The war cry, itself, is evil.
There are "fine people" in the South, just as there are "fine people" in the Middle East. We only harm them through provocation, as President Obama had warned us. I was too ignorant to listen, although I'd still argue a copy of a book is far less important than a Mosque, or a Monument. It's the same principle. Obama was right about destructive acts, that Muslims are not our enemy.
It's a shame that Americans now consider themselves the enemy, and want to forgo all lessons of enlightenment.
Fade, over time. Progress has been made every day of every year. Segregation became a pearl to clutch onto, but they lost that fight without a second war. They bowed to the will of our Union. To peace. The Civil Rights act lives on through the South, and every year since integration, though difficult, has taken root. Every year there are more outsiders moving in, such as myself having originally been born and raised in California. Every year there are more interracial couples, and children among us. Every year the old, angry, men pass away taking their scars with them. Every year it becomes more tolerable to consider ourselves one nation, one people.
Until now, when recent provocations create new scars.
To live and let live does not mean choosing one over the over. It does not mean taking hateful and divisive action. Inaction is sometimes the best course when faced with something that is vanishing over time. Rather than dig it up, make it new again, you can let it stay buried in the past. To directly tear down and assault Southern heritage, their history, their wounded honor, is not going to help keep the peace. It is not going to help with integration.
One would hope they listen to Dr. King and value that dream instead of seeking some misguided sense of vengeance.
The burden is on people wanting to take action, for why they value starting a cycle of violence? Why stop progress?
He really does hate women and any man that dares stand up for them.... Just thinking about how his father treated his mother makes me sad.
I promise, next time I see a post of his I'll tell him exactly that. I'll mean it too because in truth, I owe pretty much all the happiness I have in life to women.
I do believe the daft twit is an uphill gardner though, not that there is anything wrong with that.
I mean, if slavery & segregation are dead, why do they have to live with public monuments raised by segregationists to celebrate people who fought to keep their ancestors in chains?
I think, however, that your focus on healing the nation is too narrow because it doesn't account for black people.
To not signal to a cornered animal that it is the new minority in its own home. Among its own cities. That its time is up, in all ways.
Why not cause destructive acts? Obama made the case a few years back to protect another group. To put it plainly, there are people who share the Southern identity who are more than willing to grow with the times... unless they are attacked. Unless active partisanship drives open the rift and Nazis become the only ones who'll treat them as fellow human beings.
Your question may as well be "why don't we drive Muslims out of America?" Because for all the terrorist shit we must suffer, it'd be a hell of a lot worse to drive the rest of them into the terrorist's hands. The answer for Muslim Americans is assimilation. Why would we want them to become terrorists? Why would we help cause that? The South is in a very similar position.
One does not teach others the value of humanity by leaving them alone with Nazis.
In both cases there are innocents caught in the middle. We should value them.
They can kick the !@# of white supremacists all they want, but if they are indiscriminately targeting Southerners then they are no better than Republicans who remark of Islam "kill them all and let god sort them out". As I have been trying to explain above, there are fine lines between doing what's right against those who deserve it, and getting innocents wrapped up as collateral damage in some crusade.
What is this crusade even for? Slavery was ended. Segregation was ended. Civil Rights(1965) is law of the land, of all the land.
All I see is vengeance being acted upon. What do they see?
To not signal to a cornered animal that it is the new minority in its own home. Among its own cities. That its time is up, in all ways.
To not signal to a cornered animal that it is the new minority in its own home. Among its own cities. That its time is up, in all ways.
Why not cause destructive acts? Obama made the case a few years back to protect another group. To put it plainly, there are people who share the Southern identity who are more than willing to grow with the times... unless they are attacked. Unless active partisanship drives open the rift and Nazis become the only ones who'll treat them as fellow human beings.
Your question may as well be "why don't we drive Muslims out of America?" Because for all the terrorist shit we must suffer, it'd be a hell of a lot worse to drive the rest of them into the terrorist's hands. The answer for Muslim Americans is assimilation. Why would we want them to become terrorists? Why would we help cause that? The South is in a very similar position.
One does not teach others the value of humanity by leaving them alone with Nazis.
In both cases there are innocents caught in the middle. We should value them.
They can kick the !@# of white supremacists all they want, but if they are indiscriminately targeting Southerners then they are no better than Republicans who remark of Islam "kill them all and let god sort them out". As I have been trying to explain above, there are fine lines between doing what's right against those who deserve it, and getting innocents wrapped up as collateral damage in some crusade.
What is this crusade even for? Slavery was ended. Segregation was ended. Civil Rights(1965) is law of the land, of all the land.
All I see is vengeance being acted upon. What do they see?
Vice correspondent: Charlottesville protesters did not discuss Confederate monument, they chanted about Jews
https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/what-really-motivated-the-protests-in-charlottesville/"Once they started marching, they didn't talk about Robert E. Lee being a brilliant military tactician. They chanted about Jews. Like, they wanted to be menacing. It's not an accident," Elle Reeve told CBS News' John Dickerson on CBS's "Face the Nation."
More evidence of Trump big lie about "nice people" on the white supremacist side. More information from Vice reporter none of the protesters on the ground discussed the status. Assuming there "nice people" there to save the statue.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...nt-charlottesville-protesters-did-not-discuss