White Nationalist mass protest turns to riot at University of Virginia

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realibrad

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This was what I found disagreeable-



You go on as if white supremacy entails no violence or murder when it obviously always has. Espousing such beliefs is a statement of violent intent. Showing up for a "peaceful protest" about removing a monument to Jim Crow when armed & armored, chanting hateful slogans & the rest of it is incitement to violence.


You are changing the hypocritical and then responding to something not said by me.

If the Nazi is promoting just the part about whites being the superior race, but nothing else about Nazi ideas, and violence is used against that Nazi then the violence user is more in the wrong in terms of action.

You then as in the part about bringing weapons and promoting genocide which changes what I said. I clearly say not the genocide part, and you add it back in.
 

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Lifer
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You are changing the hypocritical and then responding to something not said by me.

If the Nazi is promoting just the part about whites being the superior race, but nothing else about Nazi ideas, and violence is used against that Nazi then the violence user is more in the wrong in terms of action.

You then as in the part about bringing weapons and promoting genocide which changes what I said. I clearly say not the genocide part, and you add it back in.

It's simply your place in the american political ecosystem to protect nazis alongside dear leader and stick it to those leftists instead. That and pretend you're totally-not-conservative, haha.

Quite fortunately for conservatives that democrats like Jhhnn have so much compassion for them, or else they wouldn't be able to get away with their klan-friendly behavior.
 

Jhhnn

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You are changing the hypocritical and then responding to something not said by me.

If the Nazi is promoting just the part about whites being the superior race, but nothing else about Nazi ideas, and violence is used against that Nazi then the violence user is more in the wrong in terms of action.

You then as in the part about bringing weapons and promoting genocide which changes what I said. I clearly say not the genocide part, and you add it back in.

That last part is completely inane because I didn't use the word genocide at all. White supremacists aren't necessarily genocidal. They just want to be the master race & have always believed in using violence to serve those ends. They can't have it by any other means & we all know it. Their monuments were erected to remind minorities not to get uppity, not to think they're actually equals, or they'll suffer the consequences like they did all through the Jim Crow era.
 

realibrad

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That last part is completely inane because I didn't use the word genocide at all. White supremacists aren't necessarily genocidal. They just want to be the master race & have always believed in using violence to serve those ends. They can't have it by any other means & we all know it. Their monuments were erected to remind minorities not to get uppity, not to think they're actually equals, or they'll suffer the consequences like they did all through the Jim Crow era.

I was talking about Nazis which do believe in genocide. I did not say white supremacists, I said Nazi. So when you are talking about murder the context is genocide because that is what Nazis want.

Look, if a Nazi is not advocating violence and is not being violent, then an Antifa person using violence is worse. That was my claim. So, do you disagree with that?
 

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The way the conservative narrative is trying to shape this story, you'd be excused for forgetting that one of their nazis drove into a crowd of people.

Oh well, it's move on since there's many sides to this and plenty of blame to go around.
 

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I was talking about Nazis which do believe in genocide. I did not say white supremacists, I said Nazi. So when you are talking about murder the context is genocide because that is what Nazis want.

Look, if a Nazi is not advocating violence and is not being violent, then an Antifa person using violence is worse. That was my claim. So, do you disagree with that?

We get it already! After nazis start marching people into ovens, that's when you are ok with a violent response. But if nazis are saying they don't want violence while they round up people, well, then we need to take them at their word.
 

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The way the conservative narrative is trying to shape this story, you'd be excused for forgetting that one of their nazis drove into a crowd of people.

Oh well, it's move on since there's many sides to this and plenty of blame to go around.

Well...there are good nazis, didn't you know? There are many fine people who happen to be a nazi so lets not jump to conclusions. Marching equipped with weapons and literally driving cars into crowds are simply examples of bad apples, the movement itself isn't the issue.




/s
 

realibrad

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We get it already! After nazis start marching people into ovens, that's when you are ok with a violent response. But if nazis are saying they don't want violence while they round up people, well, then we need to take them at their word.

You are free to not take them at their word. You are not allowed to use violence for beliefs, just actions or to stop actions you feel are about to happen in the immediate. Nazis rounding up people is kidnapping and is illegal.
 

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Well...there are good nazis, didn't you know? There are many fine people who happen to be a nazi so lets not jump to conclusions. Marching equipped with weapons and literally driving cars into crowds are simply examples of bad apples, the movement itself isn't the issue.




/s

I think this is really a free speech issue and not about raging racism or whatever the libtards will have you believe.
 

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Lifer
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I think this is really a free speech issue and not about raging racism or whatever the libtards will have you believe.

Of course! Everyone knows that nazis could have been defeated by hugging it out. Nazis only came to power because they were targeted and assassinated preemptively.

/s
 

agent00f

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Anyone remember the days when there were even conservatives who argued that Trump can't get enough votes because the birtherism and mexican rapist rhetoric pandered/appealed to too small a niche?

And yet here we with pretty much every conservative parroting dear leader, attributing blame to the many sides of nazi/klan terrorism, especially those leftists who dare protest against white nationalism.
 

ivwshane

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You are free to not take them at their word. You are not allowed to use violence for beliefs, just actions or to stop actions you feel are about to happen in the immediate. Nazis rounding up people is kidnapping and is illegal.

I'm sure when they start rounding people up, law enforcement will be ready to enforce the law, else I'm sure you will be the first one to sue them. How brave of you. History remembers well, those Germans that stood up and said what the Nazis were doing was wrong...as the ovens were prepped.
 

realibrad

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I'm sure when they start rounding people up, law enforcement will be ready to enforce the law, else I'm sure you will be the first one to sue them. How brave of you. History remembers well, those Germans that stood up and said what the Nazis were doing was wrong...as the ovens were prepped.

So in your world Nazis will take over and police will support them?
 

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I'm sure when they start rounding people up, law enforcement will be ready to enforce the law, else I'm sure you will be the first one to sue them. How brave of you. History remembers well, those Germans that stood up and said what the Nazis were doing was wrong...as the ovens were prepped.

I'd imagine that even if Trump were actually competent at brown people bans or round-ups, the conservatives wouldn't change their tune. I mean, it's not as if they parrot dear leader out of pity.

So in your world Nazis will take over and police will support them?

Nobody would expect the same conservatives who would take a bullet for them now to stop.
 

realibrad

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Of course! Everyone knows that nazis could have been defeated by hugging it out. Nazis only came to power because they were targeted and assassinated preemptively.

/s

So you believe that the only thing to do now is to preemptively kill people?
 

ivwshane

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So in your world Nazis will take over and police will support them?

In my world? I'm simply going by what actually happened in the real world or was there some violent uprising by German police against the nazis that I missed?
 

ivwshane

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So you believe that the only thing to do now is to preemptively kill people?

Yep, I believe the only thing to do now is to preemptively kill people. Violence only has one definition; violence = murder.

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Are you fucking retarded?
 

Jhhnn

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I was talking about Nazis which do believe in genocide. I did not say white supremacists, I said Nazi. So when you are talking about murder the context is genocide because that is what Nazis want.

Look, if a Nazi is not advocating violence and is not being violent, then an Antifa person using violence is worse. That was my claim. So, do you disagree with that?

Nazis always advocate violence. It's baked in to their ideology. It's baked in to the ideology of white supremacy in all its forms.
 
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