White Nationalist mass protest turns to riot at University of Virginia

[werepossum]

A cage match to the bitter end for those 2 groups? I think we're going to see an increasing body count in the months to come.

Certainly wouldn't hurt my feelings. Move the statues away (beyond stray bullet range) from the normal, good people and let them fight it out without blocking traffic.

 

[agent00f]

And who blacks (better pmc?) and the Black Panther president is fighting for. Man I'm in good company!

Stick to the white pride/power cus trying to reason evidently isn't your strong suit.

 

[chucky2]

Stick to the white pride/power cus trying to reason evidently isn't your strong suit.

Ahhh, the truths hurts, eh?

 

[realibrad]

So what kind of education counters the Nazis in their larval idea stage?

Do we need to sit everyone down and make them watch American History X?

What's your plan pre-roundup?

By doing what is largely done now. You should not expect to stop every racist, and you should also not expect that movements may form. Populist movements come and go, and overall society will usually correct itself. Sadly this is not always true and in those cases violence is necessary.

When violence was needed to combat those people, the situations leading up to that have been pretty much the same which is far from what we have now. The US is not in a dire situation which leads people to look the other way. What we do have are much smaller groups feeling that way, but objectively life is nowhere close to being the same as when those movements happened. So what we need to do now is stay the course and try to use reason. If we fail, then sadly violence will be needed. We are very far from failing and this movement of racism can be stopped if we do what we have in the past.

We don't solve anything by doing what J.Wilkins wants which is to kill people for having racist beliefs and desires.

 

[werepossum]

How about self-deportation? Or better -- a Trump-style real-estate promotion for estate-plots and homes in Antarctica.

Everything is White there, the temperatures would seem natural to cold-blooded invertebrates, and they can watch climate-change occur before their very eyes.

Or maybe just a penal colony and re-education center.

Not Antartica. Perhaps Tierra del Fuego . . .

 

[jackstar7]

No, I will not play your silly game either.

They believe in totally different things. If you don't know what those things are look it up.

It's not a game. You're playing dumb if you're focus is on their differences and not their REALLY BIG similarities.

But pedants gonna pedant.

 

[jackstar7]

By doing what is largely done now. You should not expect to stop every racist, and you should also not expect that movements may form. Populist movements come and go, and overall society will usually correct itself. Sadly this is not always true and in those cases violence is necessary.

When violence was needed to combat those people, the situations leading up to that have been pretty much the same which is far from what we have now. The US is not in a dire situation which leads people to look the other way. What we do have are much smaller groups feeling that way, but objectively life is nowhere close to being the same as when those movements happened. So what we need to do now is stay the course and try to use reason. If we fail, then sadly violence will be needed. We are very far from failing and this movement of racism can be stopped if we do what we have in the past.

We don't solve anything by doing what J.Wilkins wants which is to kill people for having racist beliefs and desires.

Luckily law enforcement didn't wait for the new OKC bomber to act before stopping him.

 

[pcgeek11]

There is a huge difference between nazi and Muslim extremist? Do tell.

And just to be clear because you seem to be stuck on stupid, I'm not claiming you want to kill anyone, I'm taking issue with the fact that you aren't for thought police because we can't know the intent of these hate groups. Just like with Muslim extremists of which I know you would claim to know their intent, we know the intent of nazi's and white supremacist groups. For some reason though, you choose to ignore the intent of the latter.

Yes, we do know what the doctrine of both groups are. Their doctrines are totally different. We have laws where you cannot kill or inflict violence on someone because they belong to the Nazi Party, the same goes for a Muslim with extreme beliefs. Now if they are caught plotting an illegal act then action can be taken IAW the law.

I'm done with your stupidity.

 

[jackstar7]

I'm done with your stupidity.

Luckily, you still have a ton of your own to work with.

 

[pcgeek11]

Luckily law enforcement didn't wait for the new OKC bomber to act before stopping him.

Big difference between a belief or thought and a plot to action.

 

[werepossum]

amazing that my refusal to tolerate the intolerant means that I advocate Hitler's actions. You know, we learned many years ago two things: No Tolerant society can tolerate the intolerant, lest it lose all tolerance; and that there's only one way to deal with Nazis. We had a war about this. The whole world showed up.

No, your advocating Hitler's actions means that you advocate Hitler's actions.

 

[agent00f]

By doing what is largely done now. You should not expect to stop every racist, and you should also not expect that movements may form. Populist movements come and go, and overall society will usually correct itself. Sadly this is not always true and in those cases violence is necessary.

When violence was needed to combat those people, the situations leading up to that have been pretty much the same which is far from what we have now. The US is not in a dire situation which leads people to look the other way. What we do have are much smaller groups feeling that way, but objectively life is nowhere close to being the same as when those movements happened. So what we need to do now is stay the course and try to use reason. If we fail, then sadly violence will be needed. We are very far from failing and this movement of racism can be stopped if we do what we have in the past.

We don't solve anything by doing what J.Wilkins wants which is to kill people for having racist beliefs and desires.

Quite the predictable degeneracy from shits who would never harm their own white nationalists and have literally only ever protected them every single time:

Ahhh, the truths hurts, eh?

 

[pcgeek11]

Luckily, you still have a ton of your own to work with.

Thanks for your 2 cents.

 

[jackstar7]

Thanks for your 2 cents.

No problem! I'm ATP&N rich!

 

[ivwshane]

Let me post what was said and what you responded to.



So I said.



So you responded.



So, he says to kill them, I use hyperbole to show how insane that is, and you respond with "well show me when other ways have worked". So if the way is murdering people, and you ask for me to show you when non murder has worked, then wtf are you talking about.

You were backing up the guy saying to murder people. If you did not intend to do that, then you fucked up.

So for you hyperbole is ok but for him its not. What other double standards do you have? You've also said that you are ok with violence if it to combat violence which is the exact same fucking thing he said except you didn't afford him the use of hyperbole. Its why he said, "if the only way (that means all other options have been exhausted) to stop you (and he's referring to a movement whose history has been genocide) is to kill you, so be it.

So if you pulled your head out of your ass you'd see that you actually agree with him!

Btw you also tried to point out non violent movements to support your claim that there are alternatives to violence and your claims were bullshit. Britain left India because it was no longer feasible due to their involvement with the war and because of the growing tensions within India. Had wwii not happened its been argued that the likelihood of the British leaving would have diminished and probably not have happened for another 30 years.

As for MLK, he preached non violence but he also understood that violence was a necessity sometimes in order to shed light on an issue.

So I'm still waiting for you to show me a non violent movement that worked. I'm guessing your next reference will be the Tibetan monks.

 

[ivwshane]

No, I will not play your silly game either.

They believe in totally different things. If you don't know what those things are look it up.

Pussy.

 

[ivwshane]

No, your advocating Hitler's actions means that you advocate Hitler's actions.

Is he advocating the rounding up of nazi's and white supremacist and committing genocide?

 

[werepossum]

Fair enough. I do hate them in an emotional way. They support an ideology that was responsible for starting a war which resulted in the deaths of at least 50 million people, and committed genocide resulting in over 9 million deaths. That is the ideology that these modern day American Nazis support. I think emotional hatred is a rather natural reaction. I'm not going to pretend that my objections are purely intellectual and abstract. YMMV.

Well said, and I agree. This is why I disagree with those who say we must win via education; those who embrace such an ethos may one day fix themselves, but I doubt anyone holds such views from a lack of education.

However, I'm not getting why the left insists on giving Karl Marx and the Communists a complete pass, given that the Communist movement killed even more people and was in some ways even more morally repugnant.

 

[werepossum]

Is he advocating the rounding up of nazi's and white supremacist and committing genocide?

Pretty much.

 

[Snarf Snarf]

For arguments sake, I'll interject this, because I live in the south and have heard a lot of this stupid ass question this week. "Why is it okay to have black pride and not white pride?" there is a simple reason for this.

As a member of the white community you had the luxury of having your culture retained, there were records of when your ancestors came to this country, where they came from and what your original heritage is. For 200 years African slaves were ripped from their countries and families, and brought here to be bred for slave labor for generations. Their original names, country of origin, and culture were stripped from them as they were seen as less than human. The one commonality that current generation African Americans share is that most of them are descendants of slaves, they don't know whether they are Senegalese, Congolese, Algerian, Sudanese, Ethopian etc, they do not have a culture they can feel proud of. They find strength in banding together in "black pride" because that's all they can do, they can celebrate how adversity has formed some amazing citizens that have gone on to do great things.

Now when you say white pride, your culture was not stolen from you. Your identity was not stolen from you. If you wish to have German pride, and celebrate the rich history of your ancestors, by all accounts feel free to do so. But do not ever think that having pride in being fair skinned and "not brown" is something that is morally equivalent to finding something about a horrible history of disenfranchisement and turning it into a positive. It's false equivalence at its finest. If you have to ask "what's wrong with white pride" there isn't much to say to you, your lack of understanding of what this country has done to an entire race of people is intentional, you are willingly choosing ignorance to defend your inherent bias.

 

[chucky2]

Jesus....

 

[agent00f]

Pretty much.

Jesus....

Worth mentioning werepossum only ever apologized for chucky, too, and knew to look the other way when the race realism spewed forth.

 

[ivwshane]

Pretty much.

Pretty much? or he is? There really isn't any gray area.

 

[werepossum]

The actual debate is if someone can be or should be killed over their beliefs.

Yes, and Realibrad did his usual good job of making his point irrefutable. But should that be the debate? The rabid leftists here advocating Nazi tactics against Nazis (and others they hate) aren't actually leaving their basements and offices to do anything like that. There's always some debate about whether they eventually will, of course, but here we have actual Nazis eager for violence and antifa eager for violence. Not people hiding in anonymity on a web site - these are people willing and eager to march with unconcealed faces in the name of Neo-Nazism, White Supremacists, Klansmen. Shouldn't the debate really be about that? Sometimes the really big issues obscure smaller but still important issues, like what to do when one's town becomes overrun with Nazis in the freaking twenty-first century.

 

[JSt0rm]

hoa many nazi supporters showed up in this thread?