werepossum
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lol +1I like a couple of generals myself like Mills, Direction and Anesthesia.
I am partial to General Disarray myself.
lol +1I like a couple of generals myself like Mills, Direction and Anesthesia.
Because our schools have largely devolved into factories for making young people into ignorant but politically useful people.
An 18th charity has pulled its event from President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate since his controversial remarks on the violence in Charlottesville, Va., last month.
The Palm Beach Habilitation Center will no longer hold its annual Hab-a-Hearts luncheon at the president’s property in Palm Beach, Fla., the Palm Beach Daily News reported Sunday.
More people waking up to the bullshit. Sunshine is the best medicine.Trump isnt suffering for his stupidity, but he's looking foolish:
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-from-trumps-mar-a-lago-since-charlottesville
If his supporters were truly Christian they'd crack open their bibles and give it a read then they'd see things like:More people waking up to the bullshit. Sunshine is the best medicine.
You are defending the stature of the 19th century monster that did surgeries on slave women just to see whats going on? Fuck off racist bitch.
That mother fuckers statue should come down.
Did I write that article? Cite one word, just one word that I "defending" that status as you claim. Go ahead. I will wait.
In the mean while,go on with your race card, chump.
Bitch gonna bitch. Fuck you right back.
Did I write that article? Cite one word, just one word that I "defending" that status as you claim. Go ahead. I will wait.
In the mean while,go on with your race card, chump.
Bitch gonna bitch. Fuck you right back.
What was the purpose of posting the article if not in defense of shitty people in the past? Or did you not read the article?
I have it on good authority that none of the people toeing the trump party line on the matter are conservative or in any way favor the conservative party.
Learn to read. He didn't operate "just to see whats going on", he operated to repair medical problems they wanted fixed. After several failed repairs, he did indeed create a technique to cure these women. It was of course extremely painful - it was surgery in the nineteenth century.You are defending the stature of the 19th century monster that did surgeries on slave women just to see whats going on? Fuck off racist bitch.
That mother fuckers statue should come down.
Learn to read. He didn't operate "just to see whats going on", he operated to repair medical problems they wanted fixed. After several failed repairs, he did indeed create a technique to cure these women. It was of course extremely painful - it was surgery in the nineteenth century.
I have no opinion either way on the moral quality of the man since I'd never heard of him, but that is how surgery proceeded in the nineteenth century.
Give them a break. I'm sure they would be lauding the syphilis experiments performed on blacks in the 50sOr atleast we shouldn't be celebrating that fuck. We should be celebrating the woman that endured 13 surgeries.
Give them a break. I'm sure they would be lauding the syphilis experiments performed on blacks in the 50s
What was the purpose of posting the article if not in defense of shitty people in the past? Or did you not read the article?
Actually that was quite common in that time period. Do at least a little research before your knee jerks, dude. In early to middle 19th century America, no commonly available general anesthesia existed beyond alcohol, which was as like to kill you as not in surgical concentration, or laudanum, which was too expensive for the very poor. Even in Europe, only relatively wealthy people could afford anything better, which was why opiate addiction (from morphine or laudanum) was an upper class affliction in the nineteenth century. And only a very few surgeons were even experimenting with general anesthesia. Morphine, isolated and commercially produced in the mid 1820s IIRC, was also likely to kill one if used in sufficient strength to allow painless surgery. Middle 19th century was the period when surgeons (mostly in Europe and the Far East) were experimenting to find usable, affordable general anesthetics, just as surgeons were also experimenting to find ways to treat untreatable conditions. Even a quarter century later in the Civil War, with the government's resources importing morphine and procuring ether, and with the hypodermic (invented in the 1850s) available in mass production to quickly get morphine into the bloodstream in predictable doses, many soldiers (especially Confederates) endured amputations with little or nothing to kill the pain. Slaves, and poor people in general, would usually face surgery without anesthesia. In such case the patient is always restrained, because even the bravest cannot keep still while being cut open. This is also why many people chose to live with very painful but correctable afflictions - the pain of surgery could literally kill you. (And if it didn't, infection probably would as antibiotics didn't exist either.)Bullshit. You don't hold human beings down and operate on them like that. Elite shit.
Not even remotely the same thing, dude. Those blacks were intentionally infected and furthermore, their infection was intentionally kept from them by the federal government they trusted. These women had painful, humiliating medical conditions not treatable by medical science of the day, and this doctor was performing experimental procedures (NOT experiments!) to cure those medical conditions using commonly accepted medical procedures of the time. But thanks for playing the race card.Give them a break. I'm sure they would be lauding the syphilis experiments performed on blacks in the 50s
You do not get to ask questions while wimping out my questions.
Once again, did I write the article?
Where did I "defending" the status as you claimed?
Keep waving that race card, bitch..then go fuck yourself.
Actually that was quite common in that time period. Do at least a little research before your knee jerks, dude. In early to middle 19th century America, no commonly available general anesthesia existed beyond alcohol, which was as like to kill you as not in surgical concentration, or laudanum, which was too expensive for the very poor. Even in Europe, only relatively wealthy people could afford anything better, which was why opiate addiction (from morphine or laudanum) was an upper class affliction in the nineteenth century. And only a very few surgeons were even experimenting with general anesthesia. Morphine, isolated and commercially produced in the mid 1820s IIRC, was also likely to kill one if used in sufficient strength to allow painless surgery. Middle 19th century was the period when surgeons (mostly in Europe and the Far East) were experimenting to find usable, affordable general anesthetics, just as surgeons were also experimenting to find ways to treat untreatable conditions. Even a quarter century later in the Civil War, with the government's resources importing morphine and procuring ether, and with the hypodermic (invented in the 1850s) available in mass production to quickly get morphine into the bloodstream in predictable doses, many soldiers (especially Confederates) endured amputations with little or nothing to kill the pain. Slaves, and poor people in general, would usually face surgery without anesthesia. In such case the patient is always restrained, because even the bravest cannot keep still while being cut open. This is also why many people chose to live with very painful but correctable afflictions - the pain of surgery could literally kill you. (And if it didn't, infection probably would as antibiotics didn't exist either.)
Dr. Crawford Long, honored as the 1st anesthesiologist, used ether as a general anesthetic for a much less painful surgery. It was revolutionary. It was also 1842. Morphine, long available, only became widely used when the hypodermic needle became widely used. (Actually after 1866, when hypodermic needles with glass bodies first allowed doctors to see how much had been injected.) Here are two different ends of the spectrum - ether, with very limited surgical use, and morphine, suitable for any surgery but also too expensive for poor people and, before the hypodermic, too dangerous for widespread use. (Which is probably why laudanum persisted so long after the isolation of morphine - it was less effective, but safer, cheaper, and more predictable.) But neither of these would have been commonly available in this time frame to the very poor, much less to slaves.
Many people don't understand the state of medicine in these times. Even after World War 1 - three quarters of a century after these operations - Bernard Montgomery's wife died from a freaking bug bite that became infected. This wasn't a freak occurrence, this was just a fact of life. Medical treatment was largely brutal and painful, and quite often still ineffective.
Those blacks were intentionally infected