Who agrees with "no slow-roll" rule in poker?

[buck]

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
at about 3:15 the announcer says "to put Ziedman all in"

I still don't call what that video shows a slow roll but understand why you might say so by your last explanation of "could not make any more money."

IMO it's only a slow roll once all the cards are on the table but yours and then you laugh at the person who thought he had just won as you say something like "oh man. that sucks all i have is (better than what the other guy had)"

We are explaining why your opinion is wrong. Accept it and move on.

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
at about 3:15 the announcer says "to put Ziedman all in"

I still don't call what that video shows a slow roll but understand why you might say so by your last explanation of "could not make any more money."

IMO it's only a slow roll once all the cards are on the table but yours and then you laugh at the person who thought he had just won as you say something like "oh man. that sucks all i have is (better than what the other guy had)"

We are explaining why your opinion is wrong. Accept it and move on.

HAHAHAHA.
I still don't agree with you. I just understand why you think the way you do. I don't consider this a slowroll at all because once the final bets were officially made the cards were quickly flipped and there was no wonder who won and who lost.

Good night.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
at about 3:15 the announcer says "to put Ziedman all in"

I still don't call what that video shows a slow roll but understand why you might say so by your last explanation of "could not make any more money."

IMO it's only a slow roll once all the cards are on the table but yours and then you laugh at the person who thought he had just won as you say something like "oh man. that sucks all i have is (better than what the other guy had)"

We are explaining why your opinion is wrong. Accept it and move on.

HAHAHAHA.
I still don't agree with you. I just understand why you think the way you do. I don't consider this a slowroll at all because once the final bets were officially made the cards were quickly flipped and there was no wonder who won and who lost.

Good night.

Before I was trying to be an ass, but im not now. MANY pros would disagree with you.

On a side note, dunno if you read, but that idiot didnt even cash in that event.

 

[Crazee]

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
at about 3:15 the announcer says "to put Ziedman all in"

I still don't call what that video shows a slow roll but understand why you might say so by your last explanation of "could not make any more money."

IMO it's only a slow roll once all the cards are on the table but yours and then you laugh at the person who thought he had just won as you say something like "oh man. that sucks all i have is (better than what the other guy had)"

We are explaining why your opinion is wrong. Accept it and move on.

HAHAHAHA.
I still don't agree with you. I just understand why you think the way you do. I don't consider this a slowroll at all because once the final bets were officially made the cards were quickly flipped and there was no wonder who won and who lost.

Good night.

Bluff Magazine disagrees with you. Under where it talks about etiquette:

Remember Jennifer Harman losing to Corey Zeidman's straight flush on ESPN's coverage of the 2005 World Series of Poker Main Event? It was a perfect example of slow rolling. Harman, holding a full house, made a bet to put Zeidman all in after the river. Zeidman, holding the nut straight flush, acted like he was unsure of his hand, when it was actually impossible for him not to win. Zeidman thought about it for a few moments, made a comment about sightseeing if he lost the hand, then called and turned over the stone cold nuts. Harman was understandably upset, and she let him know. Nice speech?as your calling with the nuts. What Zeidman did is called slow-rolling, and although it's not illegal, it's one of the rudest things that you can do at the table.

 

[dbk]

I remember that Harmon loss. She was soooooooo pissed! That guy was an idiot, probably didn't even realize it.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
at about 3:15 the announcer says "to put Ziedman all in"

I still don't call what that video shows a slow roll but understand why you might say so by your last explanation of "could not make any more money."

IMO it's only a slow roll once all the cards are on the table but yours and then you laugh at the person who thought he had just won as you say something like "oh man. that sucks all i have is (better than what the other guy had)"

We are explaining why your opinion is wrong. Accept it and move on.

HAHAHAHA.
I still don't agree with you. I just understand why you think the way you do. I don't consider this a slowroll at all because once the final bets were officially made the cards were quickly flipped and there was no wonder who won and who lost.

Good night.

Bluff Magazine disagrees with you. Under where it talks about etiquette:

Remember Jennifer Harman losing to Corey Zeidman's straight flush on ESPN's coverage of the 2005 World Series of Poker Main Event? It was a perfect example of slow rolling. Harman, holding a full house, made a bet to put Zeidman all in after the river. Zeidman, holding the nut straight flush, acted like he was unsure of his hand, when it was actually impossible for him not to win. Zeidman thought about it for a few moments, made a comment about sightseeing if he lost the hand, then called and turned over the stone cold nuts. Harman was understandably upset, and she let him know. Nice speech?as your calling with the nuts. What Zeidman did is called slow-rolling, and although it's not illegal, it's one of the rudest things that you can do at the table.

Thank you and now hopefully he'll shut-up.

 

[amdfansftw]

Originally posted by: Epic Fail

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Epic Fail

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

Originally posted by: Epic Fail
The most infamous slow roll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GONjUZ013SQ

Where was the slow roll?

She put him all in, he took a little time and made a stupid comment. I wouldnt say thats the most well known slow roll, now that is a pretty well known bad beat though.

As said before........

That is a SLOW PLAY.
Defined:Slow Play - To play a powerful hand passively at first, until the pot is large or your opponent has committed a significant number of chips, and then to bet aggressively.

A slow roll is where you make your opponent think he's won, stand up and rejoice, then you let him bask in his goodness, begin to pull the chips and THEN flop your cards.
Slowroll - To wait until the last possible moment to show the winning hand, in an effort to get your opponent to believe he has won the pot when he has not.

Did you watch the end of the video?

EMP obv doesnt understand....

He slow rolled the call after the one outter hit on the river. He had the nuts & he had to know that he had the nuts. He had a straight flush & there was no way that she could have had him beat. Still, he made a big pause, waited, then made some assinine comment about being able to go site seeing if he loses the hand even though he holding the dead nuts.

Apparently a slow roll can now be done while there is still betting that can be done?

Yes I watched it to the end. Did again just now.
Yes he has the nut hand. Yes he paused before calling. No he did NOT pause before throwing his cards up. He paused before the bet and not before throwing his cards.

Even though he has the nut, this is a SLOW PLAY, not a slowroll. Re read the definitions again.

Maybe you are watching the actions wrong. Zeidman checked first and Harmon put him all in then slow rolled the straight flush.

you are the epic fail seriously this wouldn't even qualify as a bad beat pot at a casino. plus he was put all in he should have just called then turned over his cards. it wasn't a slow roll but was a bastard move none the less. it wasn't slow play either he was just being a d!ck

 

[Crazee]

Originally posted by: amdfansftw
you are the epic fail seriously this wouldn't even qualify as a bad beat pot at a casino. plus he was put all in he should have just called then turned over his cards. it wasn't a slow roll but was a bastard move none the less. it wasn't slow play either he was just being a d!ck

Again, you are wrong. Yes this wouldn't qualify for a bad beat pot at a casino but that is only because to qualify for a bad beat you have to get beat holding 4 of a kind and some places it is 8s or better. But that has nothing to do with the fact that this was a slow roll. The fact of the matter is that it is a bad beat because he had only one out. That means he had about a 2% chance of getting the card he needed and he got it. That is the definition of a bad beat.

There was no more wagering to be made at that point. All he had to do was call and he had the nuts. To make sure it was a slow roll he even made a comment that he could be going home even though there is no way you can go home when you are holding the nuts. That is the very definition of slow rolling.

 

[MH2007]

Originally posted by: dbk
I remember that Harmon loss. She was soooooooo pissed! That guy was an idiot, probably didn't even realize it.

Would it be a slow roll if he didn't realize it? I thought "slow roll" implies intent.

 

[MotionMan]

Sounds like slow rolling is the natural progression of douchebaggery from the basketball court/baseball field/football field to the poker table. It's the ESPN generation, baby.

Also, seems like every poker movie's final game ends with a slow roll, no?

MotionMan

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: MH2007

Originally posted by: dbk
I remember that Harmon loss. She was soooooooo pissed! That guy was an idiot, probably didn't even realize it.

Would it be a slow roll if he didn't realize it? I thought "slow roll" implies intent.

it can't be a slow roll if the guy honestly didn't know he had the 1st Nutts. I was watching heads up poker a few weeks ago, I don't recall who - but both were world class players. One had the nutt Flush on the river and didn't even know, he flipped his cards over after thinking about what to bet and was like "I didn't even know what I had" it can happen lol

now if the dude had Slow Played, even on accident against Helmuth or Mike The Mouth we would have witnessed an epic explosion lol.

 

[Crazee]

In this case, Zeidman declared the straight flush so he knew what he had. This wasn't a case of him not realizing what he had in his hand.

 

[Epic Fail]

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Sounds like slow rolling is the natural progression of douchebaggery from the basketball court/baseball field/football field to the poker table. It's the ESPN generation, baby.

Also, seems like every poker movie's final game ends with a slow roll, no?

MotionMan

No, more like someone folding the nuts to give the game away.

 

[MH2007]

Originally posted by: Crazee
In this case, Zeidman declared the straight flush so he knew what he had. This wasn't a case of him not realizing what he had in his hand.

Yeah, I finally got a chance to watch the video at the link and saw that he even checked his hole cards on the river so he definitely knew. The only thing I can think of is that he didn't realize he was put all in before his little speech and was trying to induce a call before going all in. I remember seeing that back when it first aired and I was a bit confused and didn't realize he was put all in at that point when I first saw it. But if he knew the situation it was definitely a slow roll.

 

[Vic]

I remember watching that Harman/Ziedman hand when it first aired and thinking that Zeidman guy was a douchebag of epic proportions. Unless he's the world's biggest donkey, there's no way he could not have known that he hit the stone cold nuts.

 

[PokerGuy]

Without going into the technical semantics of what someone defines as a "slow roll", to me the concept is a play where you already know that you've won, there is no more action to follow so your action can not impact the outcome or winnings, and you play some sort of act or pretend to have lost before showing the winning hand etc. It's pretty much rude and stupid.

 

[MH2007]

Originally posted by: Vic
I remember watching that Harman/Ziedman hand when it first aired and thinking that Zeidman guy was a douchebag of epic proportions. Unless he's the world's biggest donkey, there's no way he could not have known that he hit the stone cold nuts.

Yeah, once I saw the video to refresh my memory I realized that he had to have known he had a won hand.

1) he checked his hole cards on the river
2) he declared the straight flush as soon as he showed

My only question is if he realized that Harmon had put him all in and was attempting to induce a call. I certainly missed it, IIRC she declared an amount bet and didn't say "all in"

I'll repeat what I said before, if he realized the situation it was certainly a slow roll.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: MH2007

Originally posted by: Vic
I remember watching that Harman/Ziedman hand when it first aired and thinking that Zeidman guy was a douchebag of epic proportions. Unless he's the world's biggest donkey, there's no way he could not have known that he hit the stone cold nuts.

Yeah, once I saw the video to refresh my memory I realized that he had to have known he had a won hand.

1) he checked his hole cards on the river
2) he declared the straight flush as soon as he showed

My only question is if he realized that Harmon had put him all in and was attempting to induce a call. I certainly missed it, IIRC she declared an amount bet and didn't say "all in"

I'll repeat what I said before, if he realized the situation it was certainly a slow roll.

Zeidman knew she put him all in, this wasnt his first tournament. IIRC he went pretty far in the ME the year prior.... Correct me if I am wrong, but I am certain he did well in a tournament the year before.