Ah, they keep pulling me back in. Beautiful straw man BTW. Consensus science is not science. That cigarettes can cause cancer was not determined by concensus, but by objective evidence. I sometimes wonder how you people are capable of believing your own arguments....Originally posted by: sandorski
I'm curious how long it will be before the OP starts the "Who believes the hype of Cigarrettes causing Cancer" thread. There's consensus amognst the majority of Scientists concerning it, with a few denying it too. Sounds like a case of hype to me.
dmcowen674Originally posted by: Aisengard
Who is McOwen?Originally posted by: Vic
In fact, it is normal, so you might want to check your delusional ignorance at the door.Originally posted by: rchiu
Oh yeah, emitting trillion metric tons of CO2 every year is "normal". Stuffing billions and billions of non-biodegradable items like plastic bags in landfills is "normal". If that's not delusional, I dunno what is. Yeap, I guess we are the know nothing people and ya'll know it all ppl got all the answers.
Oooh... nice troll. McOwen has taught you well... :roll:Originally posted by: Aisengard
Vic is trying to say extinction of species like ours is normal, so we shouldn't mess with it.
Even the most cursory study of the history of our planet would show you that that is also normal, but that is NOT what I am trying to say. I'm sorry you're too stupid, too arrogant, and too brainwashed by McOwen to understand what it is I actually said, but I will try to help you.
rchiu said, "We need to continue monitor the way this planet works and changes and PREVENT anything from happenning." The entire message of his post was that we don't know what it happening, we don't know if anything is happening at all, but we are scared of change therefore we must do everything we can to prevent change from happening simply because we fear it.
The fact is that everything we do is natural. We are 'natural' beings, and our desire to live is a natural thing. If that includes not wanting to create a layer of smog for all to breathe, so be it. What you are suggesting is that we let EVERYTHING happen, because heck, that is natural too. And if that ends in the extinction of the human race, so be it.
No, you are wrong. We have absolute certainty in the knowledge of change, and that change of the type we are discussing here can occur (and has occurred repeatedly) without human intervention.Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Vic
In fact, it is normal, so you might want to check your delusional ignorance at the door.Originally posted by: rchiu
Oh yeah, emitting trillion metric tons of CO2 every year is "normal". Stuffing billions and billions of non-biodegradable items like plastic bags in landfills is "normal". If that's not delusional, I dunno what is. Yeap, I guess we are the know nothing people and ya'll know it all ppl got all the answers.
Oooh... nice troll. McOwen has taught you well... :roll:Originally posted by: Aisengard
Vic is trying to say extinction of species like ours is normal, so we shouldn't mess with it.
Even the most cursory study of the history of our planet would show you that that is also normal, but that is NOT what I am trying to say. I'm sorry you're too stupid, too arrogant, and too brainwashed by McOwen to understand what it is I actually said, but I will try to help you.
rchiu said, "We need to continue monitor the way this planet works and changes and PREVENT anything from happenning." The entire message of his post was that we don't know what it happening, we don't know if anything is happening at all, but we are scared of change therefore we must do everything we can to prevent change from happening simply because we fear it.
Wrong. My message was that by the time we have absolute certainty something is happenning, it is going to be too late.
I don't know if you ever take up scientific methods and statistical analysis training. If you did, you'd know what is statistically significant and what is not. Knowing the temperature shift is not statisically significant doesn't equal to not knowing what is happenning. All I am saying is by the time temperature shift is statistically significant, you'd have to have some pretty consistent one way change over a pretty long period of time, and that would be disasterous to us.
You should fear the fundamental change to the environment like that. You think human is so tough and unbeatable? Wrong again, the last Asian tsunami is just an insignificant event in a global scale, but it wiped out few hundred thousand human lifes. Imagin that multiplied by hundreds times.
Hey, but if you think I am just fearmongering, well go and believe what you well and continue to do your part in destorying this planet for the future generations.
I agree, but who's resisting? The so-called "red" states in the Midwest are way ahead of everyone else in the US when it comes to alternative fuels like E85 ethanol. But then again, they'd like to be the new Saudis.Originally posted by: Frackal
I view it like this:
Whether global warming is real or not:
A: Why even take the chance when there is EVERY reason in the world to move to alternate fuel sources? Global warming's a reason, freeing ourselves from the Saudi and Venezuala tit is another; there is every reason in the world to make this a national priority so why conservatives resist on this issue is one of the truly stupid elements of their thinking. Truly senseless and illogical.
Originally posted by: desy
I'm out but I do look forward to the OP's next flame fest
What will the OP come up with next. . . . . . . .
Flat earth? Sun revolving around the earth? maybe he will dabble in religion. . .
Despite having his arse handed to him by many credible websites he fails to go read any of them , yet perpetuates his junk science sites as unbiased as Fox news!
I luvs it!
Did you know that the total estimated temperature increase in the US over the last 120 years is 0.33 degrees Celcius?
As carbon emissions continue to increase, so will the pace of climate change. During the past century, temperatures rose 0.6 degrees Celsius, with most of the increase occurring during the last three decades.
Global Warming FAQ: What Every Citizen Needs to Know About Global Warming
by Iain Murray
May 16, 2006
Overview. Alarm over the prospect of the Earth warming is not warranted by the agreed science or economics of the issue. Global warming is happening and man is responsible for at least some of it. Yet this does not mean that global warming will cause enough damage to the Earth and humanity to require drastic cuts in energy use, a policy that would have damaging consequences of its own. (emphasis added)
Originally posted by: Vic
Ah, they keep pulling me back in. Beautiful straw man BTW. Consensus science is not science. That cigarettes can cause cancer was not determined by concensus, but by objective evidence. I sometimes wonder how you people are capable of believing your own arguments....Originally posted by: sandorski
I'm curious how long it will be before the OP starts the "Who believes the hype of Cigarrettes causing Cancer" thread. There's consensus amognst the majority of Scientists concerning it, with a few denying it too. Sounds like a case of hype to me.
Originally posted by: Vic
No, you are wrong. We have absolute certainty in the knowledge of change, and that change of the type we are discussing here can occur (and has occurred repeatedly) without human intervention.
Seriously, the global warming fearmongering has (as I already mentioned in this thread) become akin to the forest fire fears of the past. Then, oops, we figured out that forest fires are natural and normal and that preventing them caused far more serious consequences to our forests than any fires ever could have. That's what comes of meddling with what you don't understand, especially when fear -- and not rational thought -- is what drives you. You can't cloak your religion in science no matter how much you want to.
I'm sure you thought that the use of the Asian tsunami was a nice emotional straw man (tragic yes, but on average that same number of people die of illness and old age each and every single day), however I see no foreseeable threat to the future of humanity, and IMO such arguments are simply laughable. How many of us are there now? Last I heard, overpopulation was the big concern. Supposedly there are too many of us. Now the chicken littles are worried about human extinction? I suggest you visit your doctor and pick up a prescription for your anxiety levels...
Moving on, I find the deeper psychological aspects of the CO2 argument to be very amusing (in a twisted sort of way). As CO2 is essentially what every human exhales, you're basically telling people that their breath stinks and you wish they'd stop breathing. Please... lead us by personal example.
REPENT, for the judgement of the earth is nigh!!
:laugh:
Originally posted by: Vic
I agree, but who's resisting? The so-called "red" states in the Midwest are way ahead of everyone else in the US when it comes to alternative fuels like E85 ethanol. But then again, they'd like to be the new Saudis.Originally posted by: Frackal
I view it like this:
Whether global warming is real or not:
A: Why even take the chance when there is EVERY reason in the world to move to alternate fuel sources? Global warming's a reason, freeing ourselves from the Saudi and Venezuala tit is another; there is every reason in the world to make this a national priority so why conservatives resist on this issue is one of the truly stupid elements of their thinking. Truly senseless and illogical.
IMO, the issue here is the fearmongering. Partisans being the idiot sheep that they are, they can't seem to live without it, or without accusing the other side of trying to kill us all. It's fsckin' ridiculous. Libs rally around irrational fears about the environment (when the US has the *proven* best environmental record in the world) and imaginary class warfare, while conservatives panic and scream about abortion, gays marriage, and terrorism. Can't you people get over yourselves?
Originally posted by: dbunder
Don't believe in the global warming theory for a second. I'm by no means a conspiracy theorist or anything of the sort, but I think it's just silly propaganda to tell us that we're being naughty and wasting natural resources.
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: dbunder
Don't believe in the global warming theory for a second. I'm by no means a conspiracy theorist or anything of the sort, but I think it's just silly propaganda to tell us that we're being naughty and wasting natural resources.
Wow, you're insight has finally set me straight, all of the time I've been thinking that oil was finite, that our water was finite, and our forests (rain and others) were finite and under danger.
But it's all just propaganda! My eyes are finally opened. 'scuse me while I drive around the block 4234 times.
Originally posted by: rickn
I'm not sure I buy into it, we don't have enough records really to build solid conclusions. What some may call global warming, may just be normal cyclical cycles that the planet goes thru. I think it's a great way to raise money though, especially from overpayed hollywood stars
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: sandorski
Global Warming is very real, you should be afraid. <<<<<<FACT
As to the global warming issue itself, that is really much ado about nothing. The earth warms and cools in a cyclical pattern and has done so for long before humans ever existed on it. 200 years ago, it was a cold cycle. Now, it's warmer. The geological history of the earth is full of natural disasters of nearly unimaginable proportions, 99.999% of which took place before humans. If anything, our current times are extremely peaceful from a natural perspective.
Pssst... Hey buddy, the earth really is over 1000 years old!!!!
Yeah, The Changes in climate have been in a cycle... A very "SLOW!!!" Cycle, were talking about millions of years for this to happen, not 10 years... Now it happening faster and faster...
Hmmm, Global Warming?
Originally posted by: Vic
Moving on, I find the deeper psychological aspects of the CO2 argument to be very amusing (in a twisted sort of way). As CO2 is essentially what every human exhales, you're basically telling people that their breath stinks and you wish they'd stop breathing. Please... lead us by personal example.