Honestly I'm expecting $300 6gig 1060s. At this point Nvidia is probably more concerned about margins than marketshare.
I'm neither rich nor old
AMD is committed to buy a certain number of wafers, but that didn't help AMD in the past when it chose to pay a fine to GloFo rather than to buy wafers of products that it knew it would have a hard time moving.
The market (consumers, distribution channels, etc.) can't bear a limitless supply of RX 480, and there comes a price point at which it becomes more economical for AMD to actually take a charge related to the WSA than to sell products at certain prices.
Anyway, let's not veer this discussion too off topic please. If you would like to discuss this, I urge you to start another thread. Could be useful as long as people stay civil
6M vr set for ps 4 neo is expected to be sold this year. 6M. All driven by polaris tech.The biggest production right now at 14nm FF would be APU for PS4 Neo & Scorpio, not Polaris, for console volume, we're talking a different league here.
I wonder how they will turn out given Polaris so far. Though I suspect much of the woes of RX 480 is not fully the fault of GloFo as some of us thought, because lately with the undervolting AND overclocking results for the RX480, clearly, AMD is to blame for running the chip way over-volted.
If they had correctly tuned the voltages, like their new advanced power features advertised, this wouldn't even be a talking point. RX480 would have been a 125W card and suddenly looks much more attractive.
I mean you read some of the more indepth reviews and they cover these new power management features, and it's simply not working. Why is it a user can go into Wattman, lower the volts and have a better running card? That's a regular joe doing the job of advanced blocks on the chip that supposed takes many millions of transistors...
6M vr set for ps 4 neo is expected to be sold this year. 6M. All driven by polaris tech.
So ofcource consoles will move the major part of the capacity.
The story about amd messing some bios or software is imo crap talk. I think they programmed the vrm and set voltage a bit higher to compensate for process variations or difficulties here and keep yield and freq high. They probably gone a step to far but the fix comming will imo have consequences. There is no free ride.
Can't price that high for a mainstream part, certainly outside the price range that's affordable if NV wants to move volume. Then on the top pressure, the 1070 means that there's a limit on how expensive the 1060 can be.
If it's around 970/980 performance, 1070 dropping towards $399 with 8GB makes for a 1060 $299 6GB a no-go.
I expect $199 and $249 for 3/6GB 1060s.
Now, if they paper launch with no volume, then yes, they can price it higher since it won't make any difference being sold out.
Nv have a lot of freedom. If they chose to sell at 299 it will sell well for the reason its 299 and not 399 and its the right brand.Honestly I'm expecting $300 6gig 1060s. At this point Nvidia is probably more concerned about margins than marketshare.
The thing is, their new power features is supposed to optimize each card automatically. Yet it's just defaulting to the max voltage 1.15v. It means it's non-functional. Read their slides and some reviews that cover it.
It is designed to find the optimal voltage for each GPU upon booting up. It's certainly NOT doing a good job of it currently.
The thing I find most disappointing about the RX 480 is the fact that they didn't fix multi-monitor idle power consumption. I'm currently running a 40" 4K monitor in landscape mode alongside a 1440p monitor in portrait mode, and 40 watts at idle (TPU's measurement) is really unfortunate. (And in case Headfoot is wondering, yes, I do use LED bulbs throughout the house, except a handful of closets and stuff where the usage is too low to justify it.) I wonder if this is something that could eventually be fixed by a BIOS or WattMan upgrade or if it's just an inherent limit of AMD cards. Nvidia GPUs downclock RAM on multi-monitor idle, but AMD cards don't.
The stock/availability issues of all the new generation cards has left me soured. I was really looking forward to buying the RX 480 on launch day, but alas that day has come and passed and I haven't been able to snag one yet. I did see a few marked up to $360CAD but I refuse to pay those prices. Not for a reference edition anyways.
Last night I ended up picking up a MSI Gaming GTX 1070 for $590CAD from Newegg. I wasn't looking at this class of GPU since I only game at 1080p for the moment, but a 4K HDTV/monitor is in my horizon in the near future and the RX480 was intended to be a stopgap. However, at the going "gouged" prices for the RX480, picking up the GTX1070 instead was a no brainer for me.
You spent the equiv of $460 USD for a 1070 and are complaining about price gouging on the 480?
Back on topic...
Just installed my Gigabyte RX 480 in my work machine. PCIe slot a-okay so far. Will play some Doom on it once the game downloads (it's like 50GB so it's going to take a while).
Looking forward to seeing how well it can handle Doom at 2560x1440!
You spent the equiv of $460 USD for a 1070 and are complaining about price gouging on the 480?
My situation is unique. I don't have a graphics card at the moment - my previous R9 290 'died' just over a month ago. My old card was bought used just over 7 months ago, and the last few months I have been having random stability issues. I'm sure the card was heavily mined before I received it which shortened its life.
The card still works technically, but I'm stuck on the generic VGA driver. As soon as I install the drivers for the card, any version, I get lock ups and what not. Luckily I can still use the card for regular 2D desktop work, just any kind of graphics acceleration is out of the question, including video acceleration.
Taking all of this into account I was really looking forward to the new AMD cards. Was hoping availability would be good on day one, but that isn't the case. I'm brand agnostic, however I lean more toward Team Red because I dislike NV's business practices. Going this long without a GPU made me desperate, and I'm happy we can finally move past 28nm.
To be honest I spent more than I would've liked. I really wanted a new FinFET GPU, and now I've got one.
Now that's an unfortunate mistake for him. People don't either learn or no better.
I was somewhat disappointed myself. Obviously not disappointed enough to spend 2.5X the amount of money on a 1070 like you did. I paid $199 on my 4gb 480.Let me add that I was all aboard the hype train, checking rumor threads every few hours, every day for the last month+. Was really hoping P10 would have been around 110-120W, sadly that didn't turn out. 150W doesn't bother me, but it shows the direction AMD is taking and frankly I'm very disappointed. Despite all that I still intended to buy one. But then the other negatives that cropped up such as the PCI-E issue, overclocked cards pulling ~180-190W just turned me away.
The monitor is the biggest unicorn item though, NO one seems to be focusing on 40-43" monitors aside from the freaking korean off brand panel makers. It's kind of ridiculous. I don't even want to bother trying to wait for an oled to get sub 1k for the display, a VA will have to do, with some local dimming. Not ideal, but lg has not even bothered to stick a freaking dp 1.2 on their 5000 dollar oled tvs. Again, everyone assumes the biggest monitor any pc gamer wants is 27 inches, or 34 if its a widescreen.
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Sexy looking card
Definitely going for one of the AIB custom cards
I didn't buy a RX 480 yet (in large part because of the reference card issues that are still being worked out), but I am likely to do so soon. I want to be able to do madVR upscaling to 4K at decent settings, plus SVP framerate smoothing, and on my Pitcairn I have to reduce the quality to get this to work (and even then, a few more demanding videos drop frames). The RX 480 should be about twice as powerful as my 7870, and give plenty of breathing room. I'm also hoping I will be able to use the OpenGL renderer with Ultra accuracy on PCSX2 (currently I have to use the less accurate DX11 renderer).
The thing I find most disappointing about the RX 480 is the fact that they didn't fix multi-monitor idle power consumption. I'm currently running a 40" 4K monitor in landscape mode alongside a 1440p monitor in portrait mode, and 40 watts at idle (TPU's measurement) is really unfortunate. (And in case Headfoot is wondering, yes, I do use LED bulbs throughout the house, except a handful of closets and stuff where the usage is too low to justify it.) I wonder if this is something that could eventually be fixed by a BIOS or WattMan upgrade or if it's just an inherent limit of AMD cards. Nvidia GPUs downclock RAM on multi-monitor idle, but AMD cards don't.
PCIe slot is in no real danger until you raise the power target and/or overclock. Make sure you wipe your old drivers clean before installing the latest crimsons.. definitely use DDU in safe mode. Single card its an excellent performer and you won't be disappointed.
My 480s are gone. Not taking the risk on crossfire so I bought an MSI Gaming 1070 instead.
Yeah, so far away.
Still, it could be worse. It gives some time for the rumored GTX 1060 reveal/NDA lift before the 480 AIB cards hit. More options are always good.
Can't price that high for a mainstream part, certainly outside the price range that's affordable if NV wants to move volume. Then on the top pressure, the 1070 means that there's a limit on how expensive the 1060 can be.
If it's around 970/980 performance, 1070 dropping towards $399 with 8GB makes for a 1060 $299 6GB a no-go.
I expect $199 and $249 for 3/6GB 1060s.
Now, if they paper launch with no volume, then yes, they can price it higher since it won't make any difference being sold out.