Who buys music online?

[Torghn]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: arod

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: aswedc

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
allofmp3 = probably illegal, certainly unethical, but people here hope it's "legal enough" to protect you from the RIAA.

The truly legal services sell protected WMA (Napster, Real, Buy.com, ...) or AAC (iTunes). To get unprotected MP3 you must burn a CD then re-rip it.

I use Napster, but only to preview music. I want lossless FLAC so if I like it I buy the real CDs and rip.

Stupid. At this point to claim AllofMp3 is "probably illegal" is absurd. The RIAA has left no stone unturned in their crusade to stop music piracy. The fact that they haven't said one word about AllofMp3 leaves no doubt it is legal. Ethical is up to you to decide.

The RIAA can't go after this site as it's not based in the US. It's also not legal in the U.S. If you're going to get illegal mp3's, I don't know why you'd bother paying for them.

And you know theyre looking for loop holes everyday.... the fact that they havent been able to do a damn thing about them yet speaks volumes as to wether they ever will be able to take them down (thus cant sue any users)

Of course they can sue users within U.S. jurisdiction. If you have a file not legally obtained, you can be sued. It doesn't matter where you got it. But I've only had a law degree and bar membership for 9 years, and a federal practice for 8 years, so maybe your legal experience is more than mine. If so, please share!

If you have an illegal file you can be sued, but I have yet to see anyone (who really matters) say allofmp3 is illegal. If it were illigal I'd think the IRAA would let us know, they sure let us know everything else is.

 

[deftron]

emusic.com




$0.25 or less a song and you get real MP3s
LAME encoded 192kbs VBR


Plus, US based, totally legit
They pay artist royalties unlike allofmp3 (russian)


Their selection however is focused on independent, underground artists.
So you probably won't find alot of big names if that's what you're looking for

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: deftron
emusic.com




$0.25 or less a song and you get real MP3s
LAME encoded 192kbs VBR


Plus, US based, totally legit
They pay artist royalties unlike allofmp3 (russian)


Their selection however is focused on independent, underground artists.
So you probably won't find alot of big names if that's what you're looking for

nice!

 

[Acanthus]

iTunes, Napster, Walmart Music online, i believe MS has something in the works,

 

[deftron]

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova

Originally posted by: deftron
emusic.com




$0.25 or less a song and you get real MP3s
LAME encoded 192kbs VBR


Plus, US based, totally legit
They pay artist royalties unlike allofmp3 (russian)


Their selection however is focused on independent, underground artists.
So you probably won't find alot of big names if that's what you're looking for

nice!

Right now they have a FREE trial with 50 songs!

 

[SuperTool]

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0,...232623,00.html?mod=todays_free_feature

 

[Baked]

Until the day they offer both EAC+LAME (--alt-preset standard) and EAC+FLAC (--best), or equivalent for download, I'll continue to buy the actual CD from stores and compress my own music.

 

[deftron]

emusic does -alt preset standard


Here's a promo for 100 free songs trial

Just cancel within 2 weeks (you can cancel online, don't have to call)

 

[arod]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: arod

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: aswedc

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
allofmp3 = probably illegal, certainly unethical, but people here hope it's "legal enough" to protect you from the RIAA.

The truly legal services sell protected WMA (Napster, Real, Buy.com, ...) or AAC (iTunes). To get unprotected MP3 you must burn a CD then re-rip it.

I use Napster, but only to preview music. I want lossless FLAC so if I like it I buy the real CDs and rip.

Stupid. At this point to claim AllofMp3 is "probably illegal" is absurd. The RIAA has left no stone unturned in their crusade to stop music piracy. The fact that they haven't said one word about AllofMp3 leaves no doubt it is legal. Ethical is up to you to decide.

The RIAA can't go after this site as it's not based in the US. It's also not legal in the U.S. If you're going to get illegal mp3's, I don't know why you'd bother paying for them.

And you know theyre looking for loop holes everyday.... the fact that they havent been able to do a damn thing about them yet speaks volumes as to wether they ever will be able to take them down (thus cant sue any users)

Of course they can sue users within U.S. jurisdiction. If you have a file not legally obtained, you can be sued. It doesn't matter where you got it. But I've only had a law degree and bar membership for 9 years, and a federal practice for 8 years, so maybe your legal experience is more than mine. If so, please share!

Unless they can get access to the Allofmp3 servers they wont be getting any logs to get ip's from anyways.... yeah they can sue but w/o proof theres not much they can do and they wont get proof unless they get allofmp3 shut down like lokitorrent (and even then they didnt get much of anything from the logs), i would be allofmp3 does the same thing (parsing the logs ever week or so)

 

[RMSistight]

What we need is a company that sells music on mp3s with no restricted DRM software. The purchaser of the song can do whatever he/she wants to it. As long as they have a record of their invoice, I really don't see what the problem is. Of course, if that person transfers a song to a friend, obviously that "friend" is violating the law since they didn't purchase it. I'm sure they should make a way to hardcode the mp3 that tells the user the person who purchased the song, what day at what time or something that.

I'm all about choice and I don't want restriction on which mp3 players I can use. I've used iTunes before but I'm not down with their AAC encoding. Granted the iPod is a kick ass player, but I would like to be able to play it on anything else.

 

[MrBond]

That WSJ article is interesting, pretty much what I felt all along about Allofmp3.com. There's nothing the RIAA can do to stop the site, short of sueing ISP's who don't block the site in their DNS. That's such a slippery slope, I don't think even the RIAA would be stupid enough to try it .

Edit: I doubt we ever see a major-label supported download service without DRM. Maybe if each file was 'fingerprinted" like you mentioned so that the file could be traced back to its original owner. I still think the chances are slim.

I could be wrong though - after all, Metallica released DRM free MP3's for sale of their last concert, you could get VBR MP3's or FLAC encoded files - I think I paid $14 for two CD's of a FLAC encoded show.

 

[deftron]

Originally posted by: RMSistight
What we need is a company that sells music on mp3s with no restricted DRM software. The purchaser of the song can do whatever he/she wants to it. As long as they have a record of their invoice, I really don't see what the problem is. Of course, if that person transfers a song to a friend, obviously that "friend" is violating the law since they didn't purchase it. I'm sure they should make a way to hardcode the mp3 that tells the user the person who purchased the song, what day at what time or something that.

I'm all about choice and I don't want restriction on which mp3 players I can use. I've used iTunes before but I'm not down with their AAC encoding. Granted the iPod is a kick ass player, but I would like to be able to play it on anything else.

See my above post

 

[gigapet]

Q: "who buys music online?"


A: Suckers

 

[dawks]

Originally posted by: dwell
http://www.giganews.com/

Are these retention times accurate? Holy shit, they must have a shitload of storage..

Are there speed limits on the serbers??

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: gigapet
Q: "who buys music online?"


A: Suckers

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: deftron
emusic.com




$0.25 or less a song and you get real MP3s
LAME encoded 192kbs VBR


Plus, US based, totally legit
They pay artist royalties unlike allofmp3 (russian)


Their selection however is focused on independent, underground artists.
So you probably won't find alot of big names if that's what you're looking for

Sweet, when I checked it out a few years back it was 128kbs CBR. That's where I got all my Apples in Stereo stuff from, and it's all at a considerably higher volume level than pretty much anything else that I have. I might have to give it another try now that they're using better encoding.

 

[tokamak]

Originally posted by: episodic
I have a friend who simply buys the cd's - rips them lossless - immediatley sells cd - music 1/2 price. . . ethical? who knows. . .

Certainly seems ethical to me. Artists and RIAA get theirs from initial purchase. Your friend gets his music for half price. Used record shop is happy to have some of the newest stuff to put in the used bin. Who's the loser here? May try this myself.

The legal download channels I've looked into haven't had nearly enough selection to entice me to give them a try. You'd think a download service would be able to offer MORE selection than a record store or Amazon, since they have virtually no overhead. Not true, evidently.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: arod

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: arod

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: aswedc

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
allofmp3 = probably illegal, certainly unethical, but people here hope it's "legal enough" to protect you from the RIAA.

The truly legal services sell protected WMA (Napster, Real, Buy.com, ...) or AAC (iTunes). To get unprotected MP3 you must burn a CD then re-rip it.

I use Napster, but only to preview music. I want lossless FLAC so if I like it I buy the real CDs and rip.

Stupid. At this point to claim AllofMp3 is "probably illegal" is absurd. The RIAA has left no stone unturned in their crusade to stop music piracy. The fact that they haven't said one word about AllofMp3 leaves no doubt it is legal. Ethical is up to you to decide.

The RIAA can't go after this site as it's not based in the US. It's also not legal in the U.S. If you're going to get illegal mp3's, I don't know why you'd bother paying for them.

And you know theyre looking for loop holes everyday.... the fact that they havent been able to do a damn thing about them yet speaks volumes as to wether they ever will be able to take them down (thus cant sue any users)

Of course they can sue users within U.S. jurisdiction. If you have a file not legally obtained, you can be sued. It doesn't matter where you got it. But I've only had a law degree and bar membership for 9 years, and a federal practice for 8 years, so maybe your legal experience is more than mine. If so, please share!

Unless they can get access to the Allofmp3 servers they wont be getting any logs to get ip's from anyways.... yeah they can sue but w/o proof theres not much they can do and they wont get proof unless they get allofmp3 shut down like lokitorrent (and even then they didnt get much of anything from the logs), i would be allofmp3 does the same thing (parsing the logs ever week or so)

The question wasn't whether the RIAA can shut down the site (they can't; it's outside U.S. jurisdiction, although some trade treaties might apply), or prosecute U.S. users of the site (the RIAA can, although we all know it's darn near impossible as a practical matter). The question was whether it's legal to download music off the site; it's clearly not, at least for people in the U.S.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: tokamak

Originally posted by: episodic
I have a friend who simply buys the cd's - rips them lossless - immediatley sells cd - music 1/2 price. . . ethical? who knows. . .

Certainly seems ethical to me. Artists and RIAA get theirs from initial purchase. Your friend gets his music for half price. Used record shop is happy to have some of the newest stuff to put in the used bin. Who's the loser here? May try this myself.

If you sell/trade/give away the CD, you lose the right to retain the music, in whatever form. Otherwise, why not buy a CD you want, burn a copy, and then return it for a full refund (if you can find a store stupid enough to let you)? The physical CD represents a legal license, and if you sell the CD, you've sold your right to retain the music yourself (as mp3's or whatever). Whether it's ethical is a different question, but it's not legal.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: arod

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: arod

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: aswedc

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
allofmp3 = probably illegal, certainly unethical, but people here hope it's "legal enough" to protect you from the RIAA.

The truly legal services sell protected WMA (Napster, Real, Buy.com, ...) or AAC (iTunes). To get unprotected MP3 you must burn a CD then re-rip it.

I use Napster, but only to preview music. I want lossless FLAC so if I like it I buy the real CDs and rip.

Stupid. At this point to claim AllofMp3 is "probably illegal" is absurd. The RIAA has left no stone unturned in their crusade to stop music piracy. The fact that they haven't said one word about AllofMp3 leaves no doubt it is legal. Ethical is up to you to decide.

The RIAA can't go after this site as it's not based in the US. It's also not legal in the U.S. If you're going to get illegal mp3's, I don't know why you'd bother paying for them.

And you know theyre looking for loop holes everyday.... the fact that they havent been able to do a damn thing about them yet speaks volumes as to wether they ever will be able to take them down (thus cant sue any users)

Of course they can sue users within U.S. jurisdiction. If you have a file not legally obtained, you can be sued. It doesn't matter where you got it. But I've only had a law degree and bar membership for 9 years, and a federal practice for 8 years, so maybe your legal experience is more than mine. If so, please share!

Unless they can get access to the Allofmp3 servers they wont be getting any logs to get ip's from anyways.... yeah they can sue but w/o proof theres not much they can do and they wont get proof unless they get allofmp3 shut down like lokitorrent (and even then they didnt get much of anything from the logs), i would be allofmp3 does the same thing (parsing the logs ever week or so)

The question wasn't whether the RIAA can shut down the site (they can't; it's outside U.S. jurisdiction, although some trade treaties might apply), or prosecute U.S. users of the site (the RIAA can, although we all know it's darn near impossible as a practical matter). The question was whether it's legal to download music off the site; it's clearly not, at least for people in the U.S.

But it's no different than downloading from kazaa... You aren't giiving money to the artists, it's going into the pockets of thieves. It would be like paying someone to download their music through kazaa or whatever.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

But it's no different than downloading from kazaa... You aren't giiving money to the artists, it's going into the pockets of thieves. It would be like paying someone to download their music through kazaa or whatever.

That was my point, basically.

BTW, Real Rhapsody is a decent pay site - you get the tracks in .cda format, with no DRM or other restrictions, which means you can do with them what you want after you buy them. The price ($.79/track) is also good. The only cons are some holes in the catalog (at least I found some stuff I wanted but couldn't buy, only stream), and the fact that you've got to pay a monthly fee to be a member. I'm doing a 14-day trial right now, but I'll probably cancel after that. At least you get radio stations and unlimited listening w/ the membership fee.

 

[cosine17]

if stealing music is getting to risky for you, perhaps you should research some new ways to download :x

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: tokamak

Originally posted by: episodic
I have a friend who simply buys the cd's - rips them lossless - immediatley sells cd - music 1/2 price. . . ethical? who knows. . .

Certainly seems ethical to me. Artists and RIAA get theirs from initial purchase. Your friend gets his music for half price. Used record shop is happy to have some of the newest stuff to put in the used bin. Who's the loser here? May try this myself.

If you sell/trade/give away the CD, you lose the right to retain the music, in whatever form. Otherwise, why not buy a CD you want, burn a copy, and then return it for a full refund (if you can find a store stupid enough to let you)? The physical CD represents a legal license, and if you sell the CD, you've sold your right to retain the music yourself (as mp3's or whatever). Whether it's ethical is a different question, but it's not legal.

What if the CD is stolen? Do I still have the right to retain the music in that case?

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: tokamak

Originally posted by: episodic
I have a friend who simply buys the cd's - rips them lossless - immediatley sells cd - music 1/2 price. . . ethical? who knows. . .

Certainly seems ethical to me. Artists and RIAA get theirs from initial purchase. Your friend gets his music for half price. Used record shop is happy to have some of the newest stuff to put in the used bin. Who's the loser here? May try this myself.

If you sell/trade/give away the CD, you lose the right to retain the music, in whatever form. Otherwise, why not buy a CD you want, burn a copy, and then return it for a full refund (if you can find a store stupid enough to let you)? The physical CD represents a legal license, and if you sell the CD, you've sold your right to retain the music yourself (as mp3's or whatever). Whether it's ethical is a different question, but it's not legal.

What if the CD is stolen? Do I still have the right to retain the music in that case?

Legally, I doubt it, but I'm not 100% sure. Ethically, well . . . let me just say that'd I'd keep my mp3's if someone stole my CD for which I PAID.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
allofmp3

iTunes

Bittorrent

- M4H

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