Who Cares About Israel?

[Nefrodite]

3) recall the settlers beyond the borders, and put up a fence?

lol, that wouldn't work, arabs work and live with the israelis anyways.. bombs continue to fly

 

[Phokus]

That's funny, i was reading about how arabs have to have a seperate license plate for their car in Israel indicating that they are not jewish (hmm, sounds vaguely familiar.. WW2 germany perhaps? NAHHH) and that their public schools are horribly underfunded compared to those in Israeli communities.



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<< If I may ask, sir, when last did I state that people were not allowed to practice their religions at Israel? Last I recall, people were not denied the right to practice religion in South Africa or any similar apartheid system. >>



Um, how about:


<< Last I checked, Israel was a socialist nation with an apartheid system of government, where liberty was denied to one of a certain religious background. >>





<< Sir, if you carefully read, you would have noted that who was given rights as a people was determined by their religion. That statement first off established that people are allowed to practice their religions, except, what treatments they got or what rights and opportunities they had was also determined by this fact. If they wished to enjoy as much liberty as afforded to another group of people, it was in their best interest for a quick fix at least to convert to the other religion. >>



You are again, and as usual, completely clueless. There is NO institutionalized religious discrimination in Israel. And the Israeli government is more religiously varied than the country's population.

There is voluntary segregation, but that is cultural, and is NOT institutionalized just as cultural segregation still exists in the US. When an Arab-Israeli citizen wants to live among Israelis, there is no law against it, and they are freely welcomed.

Roughly 18% of Israel?s more than six million citizens are Arabs. The vast majority (81%) of Israeli Arabs are Muslims. Arabs in Israel have equal voting rights; in fact, it is one of the few places in the Middle East where Arab women may vote. Arabs currently hold ten seats in the Knesset. Israeli Arabs have also held various government posts.

Arabic, like Hebrew, is an official language in Israel. At the time of Israel?s founding, only one Arab high school was operating, today, there are hundreds of Arab schools. Most Arabs attend these schools.

The sole legal distinction between Jewish and Arab citizens of Israel is that the latter are not required to serve in the Israeli army. This was to spare Arab citizens the need to take up arms against their brethren. Nevertheless, many Arabs have volunteered for military duty and the Druze and Circassian communities are subject to the draft.

As for the Palestinian's right to self determination, I will repeat this for you. You have NO right to self determination if you try to take that right away from another. You can bleat out all the philosophical BS you want, but the Palestinians LOST their right to a country when they repeatedly --and continue-- to attack Israel NOT with the intent to gain self determination, but with the intent to destroy Israel.

The funniest thing here is your sad attempts to be insultingly condesending while at the same time chastizing me for my insults.

Pot -- kettle, kettle -- pot. >>

 

[etech]

Shantanu

A little different direction to your question if I may.

Why is the Israel Palestine conflict so important to people in the ME? In the scheme of things it is not that large a conflict and really does not affect the other Arab countries that much with the exception of the bordering states. Yet they claim it for the reason for their failed economies and every other woe that they have. Why is that?

 

[db]

Who cares about Israel?

Israel, IMO, gets attention b/c they spend lots of money buying our products, including fighter jets, and our gov't wants to protect that money source,
and because they are very savy about promoting themselves in Washington, DC.

So we are protecting a wealthy customer, and paying back for contributions and votes.

Frankly, I think it's much more important that people are being sold as slaves in their own country, elsewhere.

 

[Amused]

<< That's funny, i was reading about how arabs have to have a seperate license plate for their car in Israel indicating that they are not jewish (hmm, sounds vaguely familiar.. WW2 germany perhaps? NAHHH) and that their public schools are horribly underfunded compared to those in Israeli communities. >>



Again, someone here has confused Arab-Israeli citizens with the Arab refugees who refuse Israeli citizenship.

All Israelis, whether they be Jewish, Christian or Arab, have the same color license plate. Only "Palestinian" Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza (those who have refused Israeli citizenship) have a different colored license plate. This is for security reasons, especially at border crossings and other security checkpoints. This is similar to American and Canadian plates... the only real difference being that hardly any Canadians cross the border with the primary intent of killing Americans.

It is true that Arab-Israeli schools in Israel have a history of being under funded. But so do inner city black schools in the US. And the reasons are the same. It's not acceptable, the government recognizes that and IS taking actions to fix it. But as in the US, it's not as easy as simply redistributing wealth.

There is NO "apartheid" going on in Israel, and anyone who claims there is has obviously never been there, nor has any clue on what goes on in Israel. Obviously they are getting their info from propaganda sites or REALLY bad educators. The only question is, which ones.

 

[ThePresence]

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<< That's funny, i was reading about how arabs have to have a seperate license plate for their car in Israel indicating that they are not jewish (hmm, sounds vaguely familiar.. WW2 germany perhaps? NAHHH) and that their public schools are horribly underfunded compared to those in Israeli communities. >>



Again, someone here has confused Arab-Israeli citizens with the Arab refugees who refuse Israeli citizenship.

All Israelis, whether they be Jewish, Christian or Arab, have the same color license plate. Only "Palestinian" Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza (those who have refused Israeli citizenship) have a different colored license plate. This is for security reasons, especially at border crossings and other security checkpoints. This is similar to American and Canadian plates... the only real difference being that hardly any Canadians cross the border with the primary intent of killing Americans.

It is true that Arab-Israeli schools in Israel have a history of being under funded. But so do inner city black schools in the US. And the reasons are the same. It's not acceptable, the government recognizes that and IS taking actions to fix it. But as in the US, it's not as easy as simply redistributing wealth. >>



Yup, AmusedOne got his facts pretty much together.

 

[bowie71]

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<< Let's see, 2% of all Americans are Jewish. >>


And 4% of the population control 80% of the funds. >>



I second to this, the reason US News media care is just because MONEY and OILS, Jews control almost all of the money here in the US. If you don't care bout the rest of the world, the you're one the Ignorance Americans, it's okay,.. there's not many of you here, hehehe

 

[ThePresence]

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<< Let's see, 2% of all Americans are Jewish. >>


And 4% of the population control 80% of the funds. >>



I second to this, the reason US News media care is just because MONEY and OILS, Jews control almost all of the money here in the US. If you don't care bout the rest of the world, the you're one the Ignorance Americans, it's okay,.. there's not many of you here, hehehe >>



You guys sound like a walking talking Mein Kampf. Heil hitler. Why don't u go find some Jewish kids to beat up?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

So let me get this straight . . . when they came to America Jews were hated just for being Jewish. Now they are hated for being successful? So maybe if they hadn't worked so hard to leave the ghettos of America you would have a little more affection . . . my guess is you would then defame them for being lazy, living off the public dole, and of course being Jewish.

 

[Nefrodite]

percentage of wealth(total net worth) held by the top1% of americans
1929=44.2% 1949 27.1% 1969 31.1% 1979 20.5% 1989 35.7% 1995 40% creeping back up.. wee! remember gore talking about the top 1%? he was right

Total Wealth owned
top1%=37%
next9%=35%
the rest=28%

Corporate and business assets owned
Business assetts The Richest(1%) =61.6% The next 9%=29.5% The rest(90%)=8.9%

Stocks The Richest(1%) =49.6% The next 9%=36.7% The rest(90%)=8.9%

i'm tired of typing, i think u get the gist.


i don't think the jews are behind it all either the arabs own so much of the the oil anyways i guess it just blows their minds that the inferior jews are doing better then them anyways

 

[BigJelly]

If i were president...
First off i'd "occupy" kuait for "defence" purposes. (Real reason is the oil...duh)
Second, I'd make sure Israel has enough nukes to bomb every major Arab city. (You back a snake into a corner and it'll eventually defend itself)
Third, i'd follow up with the war on terrorism and kill Arafat and every palistien with a gun.
Fourth, invade Iraq for supporing terrorists. (Saddam gives the palistienan suicide bombers $25000, thats SUPPORTING terrorist and a support IS A terrorist)
Next, have isreal take out egypt and saudia arabia (They did it before but the UN held them back -=Same UN that told us not to kill Saddam and look how that helped us=-)
After iraq hit iran.
Finally mop up the rest of the arab "nations." (Jordan, etc.)

-=In case that any of the middle eastern countries used weapons of mass destruction, israel would use the nukes JUSTIFIABLY.=-

Final result most liberal euopean countries hate us (ohh crap here comes the mighty Frence army); however, there will be PEACE in the middle east, we will control the oil fields, and no more terrorism.

This seems extreme, thats why i'll never be the president, but i know it's the only solution.

PS:
1. Dont make fun of my spelling, i know it sucks.
2. I'm not jewish. Im not doing this in anger of palistiens killing jews, Im mad because they kill innocient people that happen to be jewish. (Actually, i use to believe palistien had a case till they started killing innocient civilains)
3. Relating to 2... I don't want to hear about the "innoicent" palistieans. Face it these arabs put innocient people by israelie and american targets to have innocient people killed by israelies and americans; therefore, most of the "innoicent" palistieans are killed by the palistiean leaders.
4. I we don't help israel, we are hypocrites. Remember we are at war with terrorists and 99% of terrorists are arabs. (Politically incorrect?-maybe Factual?-YES -=Who ever said politically correct is based off fact=-)

 

[db]

As far as license plates, maybe it's changed since 20 years ago, but at that time all Arab vehicles had "666" in the license number--I saw it for myself and was told so by our tour guide.
And all those vehicles had to stop at check points, while all others were waved through.

 

[Amused]

<< As far as license plates, maybe it's changed since 20 years ago, but at that time all Arab vehicles had "666" in the license number--I saw it for myself and was told so by our tour guide.
And all those vehicles had to stop at check points, while all others were waved through. >>



Again, those were non-Israeli Arabs living in occupied territories, not Arab-Israeli citizens. As for "666" I've never heard of that.

 

[HappyPuppy]

As far as license plates, maybe it's changed since 20 years ago, but at that time all Arab vehicles had "666" in the license number--I saw it for myself and was told so by our tour guide.

Huh? 666 is a Christian symbol from The Book of Revelations. Why would the Israeli government use a Christian symbol?

Would somebody clarify this, please.

 

[aphex]

<< As far as license plates, maybe it's changed since 20 years ago, but at that time all Arab vehicles had "666" in the license number--I saw it for myself and was told so by our tour guide.
And all those vehicles had to stop at check points, while all others were waved through. >>



Considering we ("jewish") people dont believe in the devil, i find that hard to believe.

 

[ibintegra]

<< Final result most liberal euopean countries hate us (ohh crap here comes the mighty Frence army); however, there will be PEACE in the middle east, we will control the oil fields, and no more terrorism. >>



What about the other Muslim countries? Like the Phillipines or some of the other countries the US has had to send troops to. Shoud you bomb them as well? What about countries that don't agree with your stance? Violence is never the answer, no matter what argument you have. Violence breeds more violence, it's so simple, yet 2000 years later, nobody gets it. How stupid are we?

 

[HappyPuppy]

Once again, sometimes violence is the only answer. WWI and WWII would never have been resolved in our favor without violence. How simple does it need to be made for you. When someone kicks you in the gonads, you do not try to negotiate with them, you rip their throats out.

 

[ThePresence]

<< Once again, sometimes violence is the only answer. WWI and WWII would never have been resolved in our favor without violence. How simple does it need to be made for you. When someone kicks you in the gonads, you do not try to negotiate with them, you rip their throats out. >>



And Israel DID try to negotiate. The Palestinian answer to that was more suicide bombings. Israel has 2 choices. Sit there and take it (and more will continue to come), or try to do something about it.

 

[travler]

Well I dont think its a fair comparison because violence in our cities in America is caused by a combination of failed policy, racism, and bigotry, and failed policy.

... oh wait.

heheh. seriously I doubt we could even agree on the definition and solution of my above statement. Its a world full of humans. Its not an excuse not to try but never lose sight of the fact that we are falliable.

I think liberals (as the term apllies to americans) fail because they fail to recognize that humans will never be perfect. We just have to do the best we can.

We are not all Created equall, but we are all equall in the eyes of God, and we all deserve the same respect. For example you may be a better swimmer, or she may be smarter.

The solution In Israel wont be decided by philosophical, or religious means, because it is a real problem, created by real people, who realy dont follow God. So with all those givens I think the best one can do Is say "bring on the war" and let the best nation win.