Who decided that "Asian" means just east and southeast Asia?

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zinfamous

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It's on both Europe and Asia. And the vast majority of the russian population is on the Europe side.

I'm not sure about that. The large population centers, sure....but so much of the Russian area is heavily influenced by the vast mongolian empire and gene pool.

Hell, just look at Putin's face.
 

Red Storm

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Asians should be anyone from the continent of Asia technically (Japanese, east Russians, Iranians, Israelis, Indians, etc.) but I think because it's such a vast and diverse continent, things got broken down more.
 

Fritzo

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It was me. I decided it. Sorry...sorry. Everyone was on vacation at the staff meeting and I had to make an executive decision.
 

JoeyP

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Asians should be anyone from the continent of Asia technically (Japanese, east Russians, Iranians, Israelis, Indians, etc.) but I think because it's such a vast and diverse continent, things got broken down more.
Then why not call them what they are? Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Afghans, Thais, etc. Seems odd to use a continent's name to label such a diverse group of people.
 

mugs

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Then why not call them what they are? Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Afghans, Thais, etc. Seems odd to use a continent's name to label such a diverse group of people.

I think most Americans can't tell the difference between Japanese, Korean or Chinese. Same with Indian and the various Stans and Bangladesh. So rather than guess or assume we use the safer, more general label.
 

dbk

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I think it's a social norm... but I'm sure it'll change over time. I remember like 20 years ago any east Asian or so-called, "oriental" were labelled as "Chinese"
 

dbk

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Then why not call them what they are? Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Afghans, Thais, etc. Seems odd to use a continent's name to label such a diverse group of people.

Well I think it helps eliminate the possibility of mistakenly calling someone who's "x" as a "y". Asian people tend to be get very offended by that faux-pas.
 

AgentUnknown

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That was the 80s and things evolve. So op it is not right to call anyone that term. 2012 the year of gangnam style, Jeremy Lin, kamui kobayashi, yu darvish has all changed that
 

Crono

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Aside from just naming actual countries (and even that may offend certain peoples within the countries who consider themselves separate nations or groups), most of the terms like "Oriental" or "Asian" are very broad and dependent on context. The Orient wasn't even intended to mean China, Japan, Korea, etc, it simply means "the East" (which used to really just mean what we now call the Middle East). So you really have to view it from the perspective of Western Civilization for a specific time period.

Almost as bad is just saying "Africa" when there are enormous differences between some countries in North Africa versus sub-Saharan Africa. Libya, Egypt, Tunis, Algeria, etc. are very different from South Africa or Uganda.

It's okay when you have some context to use "Asian" or "African" - for instance, when you are talking about "Asian people" to your friends in casual conversation, you know they probably aren't referring to Russians and Indians.
 
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sygyzy

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When I hear "Asian" today, it seems to mean people of East Asia and Southeast Asia. But Asia is a big continent with lots of different countries and cultures.

Somewhere along the line, the term "Oriental" became offensive for describing people from East Asia and Southeast Asia, and it seems they hijacked "Asian" for their own use. I seem to remember referring to those people as Orientals in school and nobody complained.

Doesn't it seem kid of racist to lump people from those regions with a general "Asian" label? We'd probably get all kinds of heat calling a black person "African" and rightly so IMHO.


I entered this thread thinking it was a rant about how Asia is quite large and it's unfair that usually when people say Asian they mean Chinese, Japanese, etc and not Indian and other countries in Asia. It turns out, I was totally wrong. Are you actually ranting that the word Oriental is not politically correct and you'd like to bring it back?
 

sygyzy

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Well I think it helps eliminate the possibility of mistakenly calling someone who's "x" as a "y". Asian people tend to be get very offended by that faux-pas.

They get offended because it usually doesn't come from a place of naiveness but of ignorance. I don't go around calling every Latin/Spanish person I see "Mexican."
 

Crono

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We should all just take a page out of Tolkien and start calling "Asian" people Easterlings (but I think even they were more a take on the actual Middle Easterners, since Tolkien had sort of allegorical WWII notions of alliances, in addition to the Catholic/Christian influences - and then even "Easterlings" came to mean different peoples from the East later on...).
 
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Perknose

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Lol, I grew up in a time and place and amongst a populace for whom the terms "Oriental" and "Jap" were not thought of as offensive. But they are now.

For anyone who's confused, here's the simple key: You call people what they wish to be called, and you don't refer to people by a term that they consider offensive.

It's really that simple.
 

Zeze

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Lol, I grew up in a time and place and amongst a populace for whom the terms "Oriental" and "Jap" were not thought of as offensive. But they are now.

For anyone who's confused, here's the simple key: You call people what they wish to be called, and you don't refer to people by a term that they consider offensive.

It's really that simple.

:thumbsup:

Pretty straightforward and simple.
 

Dumac

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I think most Americans can't tell the difference between Japanese, Korean or Chinese. Same with Indian and the various Stans and Bangladesh. So rather than guess or assume we use the safer, more general label.

The general label can be offensive in itself, though, as it leads to a group mentality. Similar to residents of central or south America, people of Asia get grouped together as "Asian", which causes the unique cultural aspects between them to get shoved under the rug and ignored.

It can be especially harmful in American politics, when minorities are forced to ignore their own distinctions and group under some umbrella term to have any political influence.
 

AgentUnknown

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Lol, I grew up in a time and place and amongst a populace for whom the terms "Oriental" and "Jap" were not thought of as offensive. But they are now.

For anyone who's confused, here's the simple key: You call people what they wish to be called, and you don't refer to people by a term that they consider offensive.

It's really that simple.

Thumbs up
 

BoomerD

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When I hear "Asian" today, it seems to mean people of East Asia and Southeast Asia. But Asia is a big continent with lots of different countries and cultures.

Somewhere along the line, the term "Oriental" became offensive for describing people from East Asia and Southeast Asia, and it seems they hijacked "Asian" for their own use. I seem to remember referring to those people as Orientals in school and nobody complained.

Doesn't it seem kid of racist to lump people from those regions with a general "Asian" label? We'd probably get all kinds of heat calling a black person "African" and rightly so IMHO.

They've always been "Ornamental" for me...That region of the planet has been called "The Orient" for a LONG time. Referring to the people of that region as "Oriental" makes sense. (much like calling people from Denmark, Norway, and Sweden, "Scandinavian."
 

WelshBloke

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The general label can be offensive in itself, though, as it leads to a group mentality. Similar to residents of central or south America, people of Asia get grouped together as "Asian", which causes the unique cultural aspects between them to get shoved under the rug and ignored.

It can be especially harmful in American politics, when minorities are forced to ignore their own distinctions and group under some umbrella term to have any political influence.

Out of interest do you think it's offensive to call an Italian European?
 
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