Who do you believe Jose Conseco or the players denying it?

Argo

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I can't figure out who do I believe more. Conseco is known to be a big liar and an ass, but at the same time I do believe that some players used steroids.

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MrChad

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Aug 22, 2001
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I'm going to agree with Michael Wilbon on this one: while some of the allegations Canseco makes may turn out to be corroborated by other sources, I won't give his word alone the benefit of the doubt.
 

Kipper

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The point is, no matter whether these players were dopers or not they will never sit with the greatest of ballplayers - I'm talking about the guys from the 30's, 40's, and 50's.
 

FoBoT

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i believe that many players were/are using steroids. why didn't they want to be tested? because they are using banned stuff
 

blackdogdeek

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no option for canseco is lying about some things and telling the truth about other things? like some people were wrongly accused of doping while others were not.
 

tfinch2

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I get a funny mental image of like a steroid party when they said on Sportscenter that Conseco said that Mark McGuire and Jason Giambi were injecting each other.
 

NakaNaka

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We all know there is/was a steroid problem. But Conseco has no credibility and until there is evidence, I am not going to believe him.
 

Mr N8

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Wow, Conseco burned every bridge he ever had, just to make a few more $$$ off of his career.
 

dman

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For some reason I don't see McGuire or Giambi letting Canseco poke them in the ass. I could be wrong, I suppose.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
no option for canseco is lying about some things and telling the truth about other things? like some people were wrongly accused of doping while others were not.


Like who? Even Bonds, Giambi, etc... have come out and admited they did use. Mind you they did not know what they were takeing :roll:

 

gigapet

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Aug 9, 2001
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why is it hard to believe professional athletes use steroids. Too me this always seemed obvious.
 

blackdogdeek

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
no option for canseco is lying about some things and telling the truth about other things? like some people were wrongly accused of doping while others were not.


Like who? Even Bonds, Giambi, etc... have come out and admited they did use. Mind you they did not know what they were takeing :roll:

i read today that rafael palmeiro is also being accused(and denying it).

i just have a hard time believing that everything canseco says is true.
 

SP33Demon

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Tony La Russa said it best: "McGuire hit 49 HRs his rookie season, I really doubt he did it". That was when Big Mac was skinny.
 

GagHalfrunt

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I wouldn't believe Canseco if he told me the sky was blue. But let's get real here. If you can't look at McGwire and see he used steroids even without Canseco tattling you're stupid beyond belief.
 
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Originally posted by: MrChad
I'm going to agree with Michael Wilbon on this one: while some of the allegations Canseco makes may turn out to be corroborated by other sources, I won't give his word alone the benefit of the doubt.

 

KC5AV

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If you notice, he is naming all the best players from the teams he was on. He isn't naming anyone that had a so-so season. I think he's just trying to make a bigger name for himself, and he doesn't care who goes down because of it.

There is no doubt that MLB has a big problem with steroids, and something needs to be done to address it. I haven't heard much recently about their supposed drug testing policy, but what they've had in the past was beyond ridiculous.
 

Sideswipe001

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May 23, 2003
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Canseco is an idiot. Did anyone watch him on 60 mins last night? I mean...he sounded like he hardly knew his own story to me.

And come on. Giambi has admitted to taking steroids (knowlingly) and yet even he says Canseco is 'delusional'.
 

Phokus

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Nov 20, 1999
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Originally posted by: Sideswipe001
Canseco is an idiot. Did anyone watch him on 60 mins last night? I mean...he sounded like he hardly knew his own story to me.

And come on. Giambi has admitted to taking steroids (knowlingly) and yet even he says Canseco is 'delusional'.

Giambi doesn't have much credibility either though. THose yankee cheaters!
 

maddogchen

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I think there is some truth to what he said. But also that he probably exaggerated some things.

Anyway Canseco is poor right now. He wanted a book that could make him lots of money and the only way to do that and stand out from the rest of the books was to name names. It'll make him some money but the last thing he needs right now is a libel suit so I think he mostly told the truth but probably blown some things up to make it sell better.


 

blakeatwork

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Sideswipe001
Canseco is an idiot. Did anyone watch him on 60 mins last night? I mean...he sounded like he hardly knew his own story to me.

And come on. Giambi has admitted to taking steroids (knowlingly) and yet even he says Canseco is 'delusional'.

Giambi doesn't have much credibility either though. THose yankee cheaters!

Well, in Giambi's defence... he admitted taking the cream, but not while with A's... Jose is implying that he nailed giambi and McGwire in the arse with his muscle juice...

Personally, I'm sure there's some truth to rumours, as McGwire dealt with a host of injuries while with the A's, and I'm sure he popped some steroids in order to hasten his recovery. However, I think most of what Jose says hese days is just hotair, trying to get his name back into the news...
 

TheBDB

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I'm not going to condemn anyone without proof but my GUESS would be most of what he says is the truth.
 
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