Who else laughed at ATIs integrated board?

[TunaBoo]

I mean come on, the board is going to be made by FIC? BWaa haa haa haa haa

 

[flexy]

FIC = 3l33t !

they made the best overclockable and tweakable mvp3 board a few weeks ago...i loved my va503+ !

 

[majewski9]

Are you referring to ATI's athlon chipset? Yeah I am slightly interested in it, but I dont think the chipset will be that great of a performer. I heard that the R200 core is intergrated in that chipset! That would certainly be a whole lot better than Nforce graphics at least.

 

[nightowl]

Yes the R200 core will be in the ATI Northbridge, but it won't perform as well as the nForce 420. The ATI board only uses single channel DDR while the nForce uses dual channel DDR memory subsystem. This gives the nForce double the amount of memory bandwidth which is the determining factor in how integrated graphics perform since it is shared with the system bus too.

 

[flexy]

what use has the 128 bit dual channel memory when the integrated IGP is a gf2MX ????

And for ATI...some thing reversed....integrated R200 (cool!) but narrow memory bus

Wonder if ANY of them can get something reasonable together ?

They should join

 

[Phuz]

So, why are they making something thats already obsolete?

 

[MrHelpful]

nightowl, I'd refer you to all my calculations in the earlier thread, but in Anand's article, he stated that roughly half of the 4.2GBps alloted by the dual-channel memory system was available for use with the MX, (2.1GBps). As of yet, we don't know if the memory bandwidth of the R200 will be dedicated or not. If it is dedicated, then with either a 64-bit or 128-bit memory bus the R200 can stomp a MX. If it's not dedicated, I don't know which will perform better, although it would probably be the MX, unless ATi can find scrounge up more bandwidth for the motherboard devices.

 

[MrHelpful]

flexy - the nForce uses a 64-bit dual channel memory system.

 

[flexy]

<< flexy - the nForce uses a 64-bit dual channel memory system. >>




this just cut and pasted in from the nvidia site:

- TwinBank, an optimized 128-bit memory architecture providing the highest possible memory bandwidth;
- A dynamic adaptive speculative pre-processor (DASP) for boosting CPU performance;
- An integrated GeForce2 GPU for unparalleled 3D graphics performance.


(hmmmm)

 

[N8Magic]

<< this just cut and pasted in from the nvidia site:

- TwinBank, an optimized 128-bit memory architecture providing the highest possible memory bandwidth;
- A dynamic adaptive speculative pre-processor (DASP) for boosting CPU performance
- An integrated GeForce2 GPU for unparalleled 3D graphics performance. >>



Each DDR channel is 64-bit.

2x64-bit DDR channels = "128-bit memory architecture"

 

[Dark4ng3l]

Thats like the stupid DDR BS that 250MHz is equal to 500 because it's DDR... well it's not! Same thing it's 2 banks of 64 bit memory, it's not like the memory you put in the mobo can magically send 64 extra bits(excluding DDR) every cycle...

 

[Bovinicus]

<< So, why are they making something thats already obsolete? >>


It is not obsolete. It looks like it will be one of the top performing integrated chipsets. Then, families with occasional gamers can get decent performance at a really good price. Just because it will be obsolete to you does not mean there is not a market in which the idea will be succesful. Remember, hardcore gamers and enthusiasts are a minority in the computer market.

 

[nortexoid]

I believe FIC makes most chipset manufacturer reference boards...at least they have in the past.

do u mean to tell me that FIC is going to be the only manufacturer to make retail boards?...i doubt that.

the board should be ok, but it looks like the AMD chipset market is beginning to get a little flooded...

(i'm currently working on a chipset using crushed insects and other organic grassy material from my yard - it will have integrated holographic image projection grahpics controlling controllers and so forth..stay tuned)

 

[TunaBoo]

The release I saw said FIC was making the ATI boards.

FIC is a pretty dang flakey company. I wouldn't want MY chipset on their boards

 

[zippy]

I like jumping to conclusions...but damn, not as much as most of you guys. Why not give the thing a chance? It will only help you and your wallet...more competition = more cool stuff coming out at lower prices.

 

[AGodspeed]

Hey guys, aren't U forgetting about the Radeon's superior HyperZ? First, Radeon is not memory bandwidth hungry. Second, with the latest Win9X (don't know about XP ones) drivers, Radeon SDRAM outperforms GF2 MX. A little, but add more features of Radeon and 3 texture units per pipeline (Radeon SDRAM will last way longer than GF2MX with its 2 texture units) and U get a whole better picture. Radeon SDRAM has 2.1 GB/sec bandwidth, and we don't even know yet how the memory subsystem of the A3 is going to be organized. I don't know what U thinking, but when ATI will have polished their A3, I will buy a mobo with it. It will cost maybe some 50% less than nForce boards and its graphics performance will be quite good, the same as that of nForce. Add excellent 2D quality of the Radeon core and U get the best possible bang for the buck.

This entire paragraph isn't backed by any evidence, so I'll do it for you.

First, Radeon is not memory bandwidth hungry.

A statement that makes no sense whatsoever. What does this mean? If the ATi A3 has an R200 core integrated, it will be VERY bandwidth hungry if it's just single channel at 2.1 GB/s.

It will cost maybe some 50% less than nForce boards...

You base this on no evidence at all. Most nForce boards on pricewatch are around $195, and so you're saying that since ATi A3 boards will be 50% less than nForce boards, you'll be able to pick up an A3 board up for $98 when it comes out? A pipe dream for sure.

Second, with the latest Win9X (don't know about XP ones) drivers, Radeon SDRAM outperforms GF2 MX.

Linky? Didn't think so.

 

[AA0]

whats wrong with FIC? The AD11 was an awesome board, they aren't overclocking boards, but they are extremely stable and have a decent price. I'd take a FIC over most brands, at least you know its solid and won't have problems down the road like MSI.

 

[FishTankX]

You know what they could do is integrate 32M of display cache running at 250MHZ DDR for the Z-buffer and the most common textures then use the memory bus for all of the other textures.. wouldn't inflate the costs too badly..

 

[Auric]

Gentlemen, get ahold of yourselves. You're quibbling over integrated graphics. If it wasn't already obsolete then by the time it is ready it certainly will be for anything but a ho-hum mid-range system. Sure, I suppose this could lay the groundwork for producing a board with the next generation chip without too much of a delay after discreet model introduction but let's not get all moist over it

 

[Snoop]

<< Gentlemen, get ahold of yourselves. You're quibbling over integrated graphics >>


And another day passes on the forums of anandtech

 

[crisscross]

errr. just when is the Nforce being released??

 

[flexy]

absolutely *nothing* against FIC.....i dont know what you're talking about :/

 

[Phuz]

<< It is not obsolete. It looks like it will be one of the top performing integrated chipsets. Then, families with occasional gamers can get decent performance at a really good price. Just because it will be obsolete to you does not mean there is not a market in which the idea will be succesful. Remember, hardcore gamers and enthusiasts are a minority in the computer market. >>



Well geeeee.. didn't know that.. YAR!!

Its more than obvious that we are a miniority in the market.. But if this thing is only estimated to acheive almost half the memory bandwidth of the nForce, and sports twinbank architechture VS. ATi's singlebank structure..

Uhhhh.. Unless the price is a BIG difference..

The R200 should outperform the MX, but that is the only advantage I can see.

 

[Gunbuster]

When they put video on a board they dont give a flying fsck about you. It's all about the OEM's

 

[Oda]

<< When they put video on a board they dont give a flying fsck about you. It's all about the OEM's >>



Oh come on now we're talking about the ATi chipset aren't we? What kind of OEMs need a Radeon 7500 integrated in their boards?