If you bought it 6mo ago, you shouldn't be interested in replacing it. You seem to expect to be wowed/impressed into doing so anyway. Nothing is wrong with the 8800GT, just your preconceptions of the 6mo refresh cycle.
Originally posted by: cambit69
ok if you're coming from a 6800 i can see this being amazing for you. but what about the people with 8800GTS, GTX and ultras? it's not like its going to run crysis any better. the folks who bought the 8800GTS when it came out earlier this year, we waited 6 months for this?!? wtf
You say you are "poor" but you spent $375 on a video card four months after its release and then whine about it 8 months later when the refresh that everyone knew was coming is released? Absolute FAIL.Originally posted by: ibex333
Originally posted by: fishmonger12
Originally posted by: cambit69
ok if you're coming from a 6800 i can see this being amazing for you. but what about the people with 8800GTS, GTX and ultras? it's not like its going to run crysis any better. the folks who bought the 8800GTS when it came out earlier this year, we waited 6 months for this?!? wtf
If you need to upgrade from an 8800 GTS you either have unlimited or nearly unlimited money to spend or are retarded and didn't plan far enough in advance when you bought your card.
Get over yourself and go whine somewhere else.
Wow.. What a STUPID thing to say.... (no offense)
Did you think before you said that? Off course every GTS owner NEEDS to get a 8800GT because they were just CHEATED out of their money. If you don't know why, do some research please and then we can talk. The only logical thing for every GTS owner to do now is sell their used card and buy a brand new 8800 GT for about the same exact amount. NOT doing it, would be retarded, because it would be like passing up an offer of a FREE performance upgrade.
Planing in advance? Are you nuts? If you knew anything about video cards you'd know that this sentence was inherently wrong! Besides.. You are ignoring all those who didn't have to money to buy bleeding edge cards in order to be "future proof". These people went for the GTS because the GTX was too expensive and now they are screwed. Why screw the poor? Screw those who had money to waste and bought the GTX!! These rich boys could easily get rid of their card and buy a new one right now. The "poor" folks who got the GTS cant do that...
Originally posted by: Laminator
You say you are "poor" but you spent $375 on a video card four months after its release and then whine about it 8 months later when the refresh that everyone knew was coming is released? Absolute FAIL.Originally posted by: ibex333
Originally posted by: fishmonger12
Originally posted by: cambit69
ok if you're coming from a 6800 i can see this being amazing for you. but what about the people with 8800GTS, GTX and ultras? it's not like its going to run crysis any better. the folks who bought the 8800GTS when it came out earlier this year, we waited 6 months for this?!? wtf
If you need to upgrade from an 8800 GTS you either have unlimited or nearly unlimited money to spend or are retarded and didn't plan far enough in advance when you bought your card.
Get over yourself and go whine somewhere else.
Wow.. What a STUPID thing to say.... (no offense)
Did you think before you said that? Off course every GTS owner NEEDS to get a 8800GT because they were just CHEATED out of their money. If you don't know why, do some research please and then we can talk. The only logical thing for every GTS owner to do now is sell their used card and buy a brand new 8800 GT for about the same exact amount. NOT doing it, would be retarded, because it would be like passing up an offer of a FREE performance upgrade.
Planing in advance? Are you nuts? If you knew anything about video cards you'd know that this sentence was inherently wrong! Besides.. You are ignoring all those who didn't have to money to buy bleeding edge cards in order to be "future proof". These people went for the GTS because the GTX was too expensive and now they are screwed. Why screw the poor? Screw those who had money to waste and bought the GTX!! These rich boys could easily get rid of their card and buy a new one right now. The "poor" folks who got the GTS cant do that...
Aren't you the guy that bitched about the 8800GT even though you've sat on your GTS for like eight months. Stop yer whining, you've had the card for way longer than the unfortunate saps that got their GTS just a month or less ago. I feel for the GTS buyers who bought theirs like a week before the GT without any knowledge of the latter, but I don't sympathize for you. As I said in the other thread, sell your GTS ASAP and get a goddamn GT before your GTS becomes utterly useless by November.Originally posted by: ibex333Wow.. What a STUPID thing to say.... (no offense)
Did you think before you said that? Off course every GTS owner NEEDS to get a 8800GT because they were just CHEATED out of their money. If you don't know why, do some research please and then we can talk. The only logical thing for every GTS owner to do now is sell their used card and buy a brand new 8800 GT for about the same exact amount. NOT doing it, would be retarded, because it would be like passing up an offer of a FREE performance upgrade.
Planing in advance? Are you nuts? If you knew anything about video cards you'd know that this sentence was inherently wrong! Besides.. You are ignoring all those who didn't have to money to buy bleeding edge cards in order to be "future proof". These people went for the GTS because the GTX was too expensive and now they are screwed. Why screw the poor? Screw those who had money to waste and bought the GTX!! These rich boys could easily get rid of their card and buy a new one right now. The "poor" folks who got the GTS cant do that...
Originally posted by: swtethan
This 8800gt has been the best bang for the buck card since the x800XL!
Originally posted by: cambit69
ok if you're coming from a 6800 i can see this being amazing for you. but what about the people with 8800GTS, GTX and ultras? it's not like its going to run crysis any better. the folks who bought the 8800GTS when it came out earlier this year, we waited 6 months for this?!? wtf
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: dreddfunk
cmdr - I can understand how that would be your take. If I had an HD2900XT, I'd most certainly feel the same.
As it is, sitting here with an X850XT trying to run Oblivion and Lord of the Rings Online at 1920x1200 on the new monitor I got for a birthday/father's day gift, I'm exceptionally interested in a card like the 8800GT.
But, like I said, I can appreciate your position as well.
Someone bought a 2900XT? Wow. Do they still make them?
I've had it for a while...and I'm not disappointed in it one bit. Not one bit. Please watch the attacks on either side per the moderator's sticky, or did you forget to read it? :roll:
I am simply saying that the 8800GT and any card you can buy today tanks in DX10 which is what we all need sooner rather than later. Flight Sim X, Crysis, and some others are almost completely unplayable at the resolutions many people play at.
When a card can do that then I'm interested. DX9 is running fine on current 8800 and HD2900 cards. Not much need for faster in that area.
Heh, didn't mean that as an attack. I just thought from all the research re : performance, AA, heat, power, noise, cost, that the 2900XT was almost impossible to recommend. Bioshock runs well, but you're right, most DX10 titles run like crap. I blame the API more than the hardware at this point, as it seems ludicrously wasteful of gpu power for little gain in 3d features/quality.
Originally posted by: Azn
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: Azn
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: Azn
Cards need to be twice as fast as 8800gt to play dx10 titles. 20fps won't cut it especially for online play.
People are jumping the gun but you should really wait for Rv670 since it's also dx10.1. Who knows it might slaughter GTX and make crysis actually playable on highest settings.
at 1024x768 I set DX10 to very high and it's easily playable. 20fps is not that bad for the demo.
20fps is definitely bad for online play although it wasn't all that bad at 20fps for single player because it seemed to feel smoother than actually is. I need at least 50fps average to be competitive.
1024x768 is pretty low resolution as well.
You play the beta MP? I did and it was only 25fps average at certain times and very playable.
Also, 1024x768 may be low res but this is DX10. No choice... so just deal with it. Quit complaining
20 fps @ 1024x768 with $300-$500 cards. Quit complaining?
I'm glad suckers like you paying $400 for your 2900xt to get 20fps for a dx10 game but I know a bad deal when I see it.
Originally posted by: rchiu
Hehe, 8800GT only suck for those who put up 300+ for 2900xt and 8800gts/8800gtx. Sure it doesn't outperform the best card out there that costs $500+, but it's clearly not priced to do so. Plus this is a single slot solution, with lower noise and power consumption that actually make it sensible to jump into SLI without obnoxious noise and power supply.
There will be a few suckers who bought into the hype and spent lots of money only to build a box that can also double as a heater and sounds like tornado in a box. 8800GT is not for those people as it is not designed to be the performance leader. But for the rest of us who actually wanna build a sensible box with great price/performance ratio, this is by far the best card on the market.
Originally posted by: Azn
Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Azn
20 fps @ 1024x768 with $300-$500 cards. Quit complaining?
I'm glad suckers like you paying $400 for your 2900xt to get 20fps for a dx10 game but I know a bad deal when I see it.
The bad deal is all the hype surrounding DX10. This is not the time to be considering DX10 for anything when it brings a $700 card to a screeching halt. Many of those games perform spectacular in DX9 mode on mid-ranged hardware as long as you don't go crazy on the settings.
People who have to run the latest games that stress even high end systems will pay a penalty to be on the cutting edge. If you do not like the way the game has always been played, then you have the wrong hobby. Stop whining about poor performance and just skip these games if it takes a supercomputer to even run them. Start sending a message to developers to make games compatible for current hardware by not buying these over-hyped games.
The 8800GT is a godsend for those of us who skipped upgrading our mid-ranged 7 series cards because the only real upgrade was almost $300. In the next few months, with the release of ATI's new hardware the price of the 512 version will be on par to what I paid to upgrade my 6600GT to this 7600GT. ($199.00) I will not spend much more than $200 on a new video card because it is not worth the extra cost to squeeze a few FPS out of a game designed for tomorrows hardware. The cutting edge games of 2-3 years ago now play just fine on mid-ranged parts so I will stick with them and save my cash.
If running the latest and greatest is what you live for, this is in no way a shot at you. I am only targeting people who wine about poor performance knowing damn well it has always happened this way for enthusiasts and hobbyist.
Never said 8800gt is anything but good and brings new performance into the mid range systems which is also good for the industry.
You can surely do all the things you mentioned with any of the cards out today. Turn down settings to make the game playable. Paying $400-500 for a card to get 20fps @ low resolutions is unacceptable. That is all I'm trying to say here. People thinking you can actually play dx10 game with effects are in the wake of rude awakening when they need to shell out another $500 a year from now and and so on.
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: rchiu
Hehe, 8800GT only suck for those who put up 300+ for 2900xt and 8800gts/8800gtx. Sure it doesn't outperform the best card out there that costs $500+, but it's clearly not priced to do so. Plus this is a single slot solution, with lower noise and power consumption that actually make it sensible to jump into SLI without obnoxious noise and power supply.
There will be a few suckers who bought into the hype and spent lots of money only to build a box that can also double as a heater and sounds like tornado in a box. 8800GT is not for those people as it is not designed to be the performance leader. But for the rest of us who actually wanna build a sensible box with great price/performance ratio, this is by far the best card on the market.
And there's morons that don't know what they're talking about. These cards overheat like crazy. TONS of people on this forum and others are wondering why they didn't dual slot the thing to force the heat out. SLI these and I can only imagine what kind of heat you have in your case. 90c is NOT cool.
that's just stupid to question somebody's decision to buy a 2900xt. remember, that card was beating 8800gts 640 in most benchmarks and was priced considerably higher than it before 8800gt came out. how quickly we forget... of course, it's easy for me to smile since I managed to avoid the temptation of 2900pro and can now look forward to either 8800gt or 3870.Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: dreddfunk
cmdr - I can understand how that would be your take. If I had an HD2900XT, I'd most certainly feel the same.
As it is, sitting here with an X850XT trying to run Oblivion and Lord of the Rings Online at 1920x1200 on the new monitor I got for a birthday/father's day gift, I'm exceptionally interested in a card like the 8800GT.
But, like I said, I can appreciate your position as well.
Someone bought a 2900XT? Wow. Do they still make them?
I've had it for a while...and I'm not disappointed in it one bit. Not one bit. Please watch the attacks on either side per the moderator's sticky, or did you forget to read it? :roll:
I am simply saying that the 8800GT and any card you can buy today tanks in DX10 which is what we all need sooner rather than later. Flight Sim X, Crysis, and some others are almost completely unplayable at the resolutions many people play at.
When a card can do that then I'm interested. DX9 is running fine on current 8800 and HD2900 cards. Not much need for faster in that area.
Heh, didn't mean that as an attack. I just thought from all the research re : performance, AA, heat, power, noise, cost, that the 2900XT was almost impossible to recommend. Bioshock runs well, but you're right, most DX10 titles run like crap. I blame the API more than the hardware at this point, as it seems ludicrously wasteful of gpu power for little gain in 3d features/quality.
I got it because at the time, the 8800 series had texture memory leaks and games ran at 5fps randomly. Now it's fixed, but when I had money in hand...it wasn't fixed.
yes, but the fan isn't nearly as quiet as the 8800gts fans are, esp at 60-80%. I've read that 40-50% is the optimal noise/cooling level.Originally posted by: requiem1
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: rchiu
Hehe, 8800GT only suck for those who put up 300+ for 2900xt and 8800gts/8800gtx. Sure it doesn't outperform the best card out there that costs $500+, but it's clearly not priced to do so. Plus this is a single slot solution, with lower noise and power consumption that actually make it sensible to jump into SLI without obnoxious noise and power supply.
There will be a few suckers who bought into the hype and spent lots of money only to build a box that can also double as a heater and sounds like tornado in a box. 8800GT is not for those people as it is not designed to be the performance leader. But for the rest of us who actually wanna build a sensible box with great price/performance ratio, this is by far the best card on the market.
And there's morons that don't know what they're talking about. These cards overheat like crazy. TONS of people on this forum and others are wondering why they didn't dual slot the thing to force the heat out. SLI these and I can only imagine what kind of heat you have in your case. 90c is NOT cool.
its only that hot because the fans are stuck on 29% ...the card actually isn't that hot once you pump it to 60-80%...
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
yes, but the fan isn't nearly as quiet as the 8800gts fans are, esp at 60-80%. I've read that 40-50% is the optimal noise/cooling level.Originally posted by: requiem1
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: rchiu
Hehe, 8800GT only suck for those who put up 300+ for 2900xt and 8800gts/8800gtx. Sure it doesn't outperform the best card out there that costs $500+, but it's clearly not priced to do so. Plus this is a single slot solution, with lower noise and power consumption that actually make it sensible to jump into SLI without obnoxious noise and power supply.
There will be a few suckers who bought into the hype and spent lots of money only to build a box that can also double as a heater and sounds like tornado in a box. 8800GT is not for those people as it is not designed to be the performance leader. But for the rest of us who actually wanna build a sensible box with great price/performance ratio, this is by far the best card on the market.
And there's morons that don't know what they're talking about. These cards overheat like crazy. TONS of people on this forum and others are wondering why they didn't dual slot the thing to force the heat out. SLI these and I can only imagine what kind of heat you have in your case. 90c is NOT cool.
its only that hot because the fans are stuck on 29% ...the card actually isn't that hot once you pump it to 60-80%...
Originally posted by: OaTmEaL
I think the 8800GT is a great looking card, especially to somebody like myself who is still getting by with an 7800 GTX. However, I just wish nVidia would announce their new high-end part already. I know the minute I pull the trigger on an 8800GT (or an 8800 Ultra for that matter), a new flagship card will hit the market.