Who else thinks the 8800GT sucks?

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Extelleron
It's a good card, but it's not amazing or anything special as many people make it out to be. The reason people see it as being so amazing is because there has been a real lack of any good cards since last November.

The 8800GT is not, however, better than what we've seen in the past, in fact it's not nearly as a good as the 7900GT was. The 8800GT is slightly slower than last year's high end for $250, the 7900GT was sightly faster than the previous year's high end for $300.

It's a good card, yes, but nothing we haven't seen before. I really want to see a card that will finally be FASTER than the GTX.

When you say the 7900gt was faster than the previous years high end, did you mean the 7800GTX? Because it wasn't faster than the 7800gtx. See http://www.legitreviews.com/article/322/1/ and other reivews.

And it cost $300 as you said. The 8800GT is almost at GTX levels for $250. I think that makes it more impressive.

I don't consider the 7800GTX 512MB to the previous high-end.... it was an extremely rare, $750 card based on cherry-picked GPUs with a better cooler.

The 7900GT was faster than the 7800GTX 256MB, and in fact came close to the 512MB as well. This all came at a $300 price point.

If you look at many reviews, the 8800GT doesn't really contend with the GTX in the majority of scenarios. In most cases it is square in the middle between the GTS and GTX. That's not a bad thing, especially for $250, but I don't find it that impressive when you consider that the GTX is roughly a year old. It's very common that a $200-$300 GPU will be able to perform close to the $500 GPU from a year prior. The X1950 Pro could compete or surpass the X1800XT, for example.

Personally I'm very disappointed that there is still no card that is superior (Ultra doesn't count in my book) to the 8800GTX a year after its launch. I expected that by this time nVidia would have release the GeForce 9 series and we'd be seeing a card twice as fast as the 8800GTX, and that is exactly what is needed in the face of games such as Crysis. Instead, we have one good midrange card and the same 1-year old cards at the $400-$500 price range.

I'm really hoping that AMD does well with RV670, not just for their sake but to get nVidia off their butts.

 

[manowar821]

It's (kind of) funny... I know at least 3 people who were told that the brand new 9 series Nvidia cards would be out in November/December (by salesmen at electronics stores), and were also told as a side note that if they purchased an EVGA product, they'd be able to step up to it when (not if) it comes out.

I know, I know... They shouldn't have trusted a salesperson who makes crap money with incentives, but they were sold under false knowledge of a coming product that could be "stepped-up" to. They trusted a "professional" in his element. You think these 3 guys would be able to return their cards at full price under that context? I doubt it.

If I alone know 3 people who have done this, imagine how many pissed off people there are out there, who were waiting contently for the new cards only to find out that its not happening until 2-3 months after their step-up expires... Wow, that's a lot of missed profit, there.

I hope for EVGAs sake that Nvidia decides to release the product, soon.

 

[deeznuts]

Do I think the 8800GT sucks? Hell no, because I haven't bought a new card since 7600GT, waiting for something to play Crysis, and this is purrrrrrrfect ....

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: manowar821
It's (kind of) funny... I know at least 3 people who were told that the brand new 9 series Nvidia cards would be out in November/December (by salesmen at electronics stores), and were also told as a side note that if they purchased an EVGA product, they'd be able to step up to it when (not if) it comes out.

I know, I know... They shouldn't have trusted a salesperson who makes crap money with incentives, but they were sold under false knowledge of a coming product that could be "stepped-up" to. They trusted a "professional" in his element. You think these 3 guys would be able to return their cards at full price under that context? I doubt it.

If I alone know 3 people who have done this, imagine how many pissed off people there are out there, who were waiting contently for the new cards only to find out that its not happening until 2-3 months after their step-up expires... Wow, that's a lot of missed profit, there.

I hope for EVGAs sake that Nvidia decides to release the product, soon.

People should be more informed on their purchase IMO. It's like people buying the PS3 on it's hype then later saying "no games, I hate sony". I know a few people who thought the Xbox360 was going to be terrible in comparison. Now they want to buy a 360 or trade up their PS3.

Gotta read up on all aspects of a product regardless of what someone tells you.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I'd have to say my best mid-range card buy was the Connect3D x800 GTO back in November of 2005. I was able to buy it, new, for about $137 after rebate, then I flashed the BIOS to unlock it to all 16 pipes and it overclocks to x800xt speeds. $137 was a great price for an x800xt back then.

I'm interested in getting one of the 512 mb 8800 GTs once I can find a good sale price. I also want to see how the 2950 Pro's do and see if they put some downward pressure on the 8800 GT prices. I reckon I need a better card for Unreal Tournament 3, which will totally pwn Crysis for online multiplayer, btw.

 

[taltamir]

The 8800 was never meant for YOU. You have a 8800GTS, you have to wait some more until you get an upgrade card...

It was meant for people like me, who are running a 7900GS who thought the GTS was too expensive... now I can upgrade for ~200$ (well, when price gouging ends)

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: taltamir
The 8800 was never meant for YOU. You have a 8800GTS, you have to wait some more until you get an upgrade card...

It was meant for people like me, who are running a 7900GS who thought the GTS was too expensive... now I can upgrade for ~200$ (well, when price gouging ends)

I don't know about him but I don't have any problem with the 8800GT, as I said it's an excellent card for $250. However, I wish there was a higher-end alternative for $350-$400 for those that bought an 8800GTS a long time ago (like myself) and want a solid upgrade.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: dreddfunk
cmdr - I can understand how that would be your take. If I had an HD2900XT, I'd most certainly feel the same.

As it is, sitting here with an X850XT trying to run Oblivion and Lord of the Rings Online at 1920x1200 on the new monitor I got for a birthday/father's day gift, I'm exceptionally interested in a card like the 8800GT.

But, like I said, I can appreciate your position as well.

Someone bought a 2900XT? Wow. Do they still make them?

I've had it for a while...and I'm not disappointed in it one bit. Not one bit. Please watch the attacks on either side per the moderator's sticky, or did you forget to read it? :roll:

I am simply saying that the 8800GT and any card you can buy today tanks in DX10 which is what we all need sooner rather than later. Flight Sim X, Crysis, and some others are almost completely unplayable at the resolutions many people play at.

When a card can do that then I'm interested. DX9 is running fine on current 8800 and HD2900 cards. Not much need for faster in that area.

Heh, didn't mean that as an attack. I just thought from all the research re : performance, AA, heat, power, noise, cost, that the 2900XT was almost impossible to recommend. Bioshock runs well, but you're right, most DX10 titles run like crap. I blame the API more than the hardware at this point, as it seems ludicrously wasteful of gpu power for little gain in 3d features/quality.

 

[requiem1]

Originally posted by: taltamir
The 8800 was never meant for YOU. You have a 8800GTS, you have to wait some more until you get an upgrade card...

It was meant for people like me, who are running a 7900GS who thought the GTS was too expensive... now I can upgrade for ~200$ (well, when price gouging ends)

BINGO! I had a x800xl it burnt and died 6 month ago...damn ATI and its no warrenties...I than bought a 6600GT ($30) to hold me off for a while and have been using it till now...this is the next card for me. I just ordered the 8800GT..lifetime warrenty..best bang for buck - this is how i play.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Azn
Cards need to be twice as fast as 8800gt to play dx10 titles. 20fps won't cut it especially for online play.

People are jumping the gun but you should really wait for Rv670 since it's also dx10.1. Who knows it might slaughter GTX and make crysis actually playable on highest settings.

This is microsoft's fault, not any vid card manufacturer. DX10 is still crap when everything I read before it was released was about how it wouldn't present anything monumentally new graphically, but that it would make things look a little better than DX9 but run much much faster. Didn't happen.

 

[newschool]

I want to run crysis on very high at 1280res. Im aiming for vsync, that means 60FPS on a LCD. Should I sell my X1950XT to get the 8800GT right now or should I continue to play at medium with it and just wait for the next gen from nvidia or ATi(in what, 6 months)?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: munky
The 8800gt doesn't suck, it's the most impressive midrange card I've seen in a long time. It wasn't meant to be an upgrade for those who bought a 8800gts, instead it's a better alternative for those who haven't bought one.

What he said. Its a fantastic card for the money. Especially if it drops to $200 as its expected to. And stays in stock.

Originally posted by: cambit69
ok if you're coming from a 6800 i can see this being amazing for you. but what about the people with 8800GTS, GTX and ultras? it's not like its going to run crysis any better. the folks who bought the 8800GTS when it came out earlier this year, we waited 6 months for this?!? wtf

When did hey say they were releasing a faster card than the GTX? They dont owe anyone anything. Its a much faster card than the one you have. Perhaps you're having buyers remorse?

Most people buy mid/low range cards. The sales of $400+ cards are very low compared to $200 cards. This card is almost as fast as a GTX, at about half the cost. I cant imagine how anyone would think this isnt anything but impressive. The cost of the GTX was kept high, because of low competition though. Still, this card is very impressive.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: newschool
I want to run crysis on very high at 1280res. Im aiming for vsync, that means 60FPS on a LCD. Should I sell my X1950XT to get the 8800GT right now or should I continue to play at medium with it and just wait for the next gen from nvidia or ATi(in what, 6 months)?

If you want to get 60 FPS with Crysis, then you better wait a while for at least the next gen. You aren't going to get that with an 8800GT.

 

[newschool]

Maybe the game isnt optimized and the 8800GT will get 60FPSish with patches?

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: taltamir
The 8800 was never meant for YOU. You have a 8800GTS, you have to wait some more until you get an upgrade card...

It was meant for people like me, who are running a 7900GS who thought the GTS was too expensive... now I can upgrade for ~200$ (well, when price gouging ends)

I don't know about him but I don't have any problem with the 8800GT, as I said it's an excellent card for $250. However, I wish there was a higher-end alternative for $350-$400 for those that bought an 8800GTS a long time ago (like myself) and want a solid upgrade.

there is, it is being released next month.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Azn
Cards need to be twice as fast as 8800gt to play dx10 titles. 20fps won't cut it especially for online play.

People are jumping the gun but you should really wait for Rv670 since it's also dx10.1. Who knows it might slaughter GTX and make crysis actually playable on highest settings.

at 1024x768 I set DX10 to very high and it's easily playable. 20fps is not that bad for the demo.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Azn
Cards need to be twice as fast as 8800gt to play dx10 titles. 20fps won't cut it especially for online play.

People are jumping the gun but you should really wait for Rv670 since it's also dx10.1. Who knows it might slaughter GTX and make crysis actually playable on highest settings.

This is microsoft's fault, not any vid card manufacturer. DX10 is still crap when everything I read before it was released was about how it wouldn't present anything monumentally new graphically, but that it would make things look a little better than DX9 but run much much faster. Didn't happen.

Dx9 tanked with everything when it was first used too.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: newschool
I want to run crysis on very high at 1280res. Im aiming for vsync, that means 60FPS on a LCD. Should I sell my X1950XT to get the 8800GT right now or should I continue to play at medium with it and just wait for the next gen from nvidia or ATi(in what, 6 months)?

the 8800GT won't do it. I don't care how overclocked it is.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: newschool
Maybe the game isnt optimized and the 8800GT will get 60FPSish with patches?

as I said...it won't. It's not supposed to, Crytek even said it a long time ago.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Azn
Cards need to be twice as fast as 8800gt to play dx10 titles. 20fps won't cut it especially for online play.

People are jumping the gun but you should really wait for Rv670 since it's also dx10.1. Who knows it might slaughter GTX and make crysis actually playable on highest settings.

at 1024x768 I set DX10 to very high and it's easily playable. 20fps is not that bad for the demo.

20fps is definitely bad for online play although it wasn't all that bad at 20fps for single player because it seemed to feel smoother than actually is. I need at least 50fps average to be competitive.

1024x768 is pretty low resolution as well.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Griswold

Originally posted by: munky
The 8800gt doesn't suck, it's the most impressive midrange card I've seen in a long time. It wasn't meant to be an upgrade for those who bought a 8800gts, instead it's a better alternative for those who haven't bought one.

Midrange? Whats the high-end then? Surely not GTX or Ultra, considering how close their are, yet so much more expensive. The name and price might suggest midrange but its not. Its the-card-that-made-a-whole-set-of-products-obsolete. :Q

The GTX and GTS are already a year old, they do not represent what the high end card is supposed to be at this point in time.

 

[aldamon]

Originally posted by: dreddfunk

Those two factors created a huge gap in the market that was just begging to be filled.

The only thing that surprises me is the NVIDIA filled it first, despite no competition from ATI.

True. NVIDIA has been a bunch of price-gauging turds for a year and now people are dancing in the streets because they're serving up last year's tech for $250.

NVIDIA is calling this the next "TI 4200" when the TI 4200 only came out 3 months after the TI-4600, not a year.

Originally posted by: Extelleron
I don't consider the 7800GTX 512MB to the previous high-end.... it was an extremely rare, $750 card based on cherry-picked GPUs with a better cooler.

The 7900GT was faster than the 7800GTX 256MB, and in fact came close to the 512MB as well. This all came at a $300 price point.

If you look at many reviews, the 8800GT doesn't really contend with the GTX in the majority of scenarios. In most cases it is square in the middle between the GTS and GTX. That's not a bad thing, especially for $250, but I don't find it that impressive when you consider that the GTX is roughly a year old. It's very common that a $200-$300 GPU will be able to perform close to the $500 GPU from a year prior. The X1950 Pro could compete or surpass the X1800XT, for example.

Personally I'm very disappointed that there is still no card that is superior (Ultra doesn't count in my book) to the 8800GTX a year after its launch. I expected that by this time nVidia would have release the GeForce 9 series and we'd be seeing a card twice as fast as the 8800GTX, and that is exactly what is needed in the face of games such as Crysis. Instead, we have one good midrange card and the same 1-year old cards at the $400-$500 price range.

I'm really hoping that AMD does well with RV670, not just for their sake but to get nVidia off their butts.

Agreed.

 

[zero2dash]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
It still tanks in DX10 like every card available now. Until a card can run DX10 fully featured (i.e crysis on very high) with good fps (no less than 30 at the min). I'm not going to care.

I agree completely.
DX10 is still a blip on the radar with a whole lot of maturing time before I seriously consider plunking down several hundred dollars on a card just to run DX10 games.

Until then I'll stick with the cheap stuff and DX9.

 

[rmed64]

Originally posted by: cambit69

:Q I guess it should be put into its own category until the next refresh gts's and gtx's come

when will the next refresh of GTX/GTS come? and why bother when 99% of the people here are happy with a craptastic 8800GT that can't even run DX10 at acceptable levels. so many people bitching they can't run crysis so they go out and buy a 8800GT like its going to help them. two days from now, the people who are scrambling to order 8800gt's today for crysis are going to install it into their system and feel dumb.

as for the rumored GTS 640 with 112P's, all i got to say is WTF nvidia wheres the 9800GTS, its been almost a year now since G80 launch, and all we have now is this??

You sound like a financially rich person......the fastest consumer videocard you can buy today is the 8800 ultra, so if you don't like the performance of the 8800GT, which is better than the GTS, leaves the 2900XT in the dust and just about kissing the GTX's behind............then go SLI or quad SLI or whatever for however much money you need to spend.

But rich people don't complain about value videocards.

Nvidia just hit a home run, and ATI/AMD is still 1 step behind as has been the case for the last couple generations.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Azn
Cards need to be twice as fast as 8800gt to play dx10 titles. 20fps won't cut it especially for online play.

People are jumping the gun but you should really wait for Rv670 since it's also dx10.1. Who knows it might slaughter GTX and make crysis actually playable on highest settings.

at 1024x768 I set DX10 to very high and it's easily playable. 20fps is not that bad for the demo.

20fps is definitely bad for online play although it wasn't all that bad at 20fps for single player because it seemed to feel smoother than actually is. I need at least 50fps average to be competitive.

1024x768 is pretty low resolution as well.

You play the beta MP? I did and it was only 25fps average at certain times and very playable.

Also, 1024x768 may be low res but this is DX10. No choice... so just deal with it. Quit complaining