Who else thinks the HD3870 sucks?

[imported_cambit69]

First disappointment of the year was the 8800GT, now it's the HD3870. Performs slower than the 8800GT which performs slower than the 8800GTX. LOL at AMD trying to push UVD and DX10.1.

Is it just me or is the entire video card industry sucking? The HD3870 and 8800GT are examples of year old technology being shoved down the consumers throats and then marketed as being the next-generation thing. Maybe the two companies got smart and decided it wasn't worth it to compete performance wise and met in secret to collude and make crappy video cards.

LOL at trying to fit 4 of them in crossfire, what are they smoking?

 

[swtethan]

What are YOU smoking?

 

[bryanW1995]

oh, so you were done speaking? Well, then, allow me to RETORT!

Let me guess...you have an 8800gtx? You and the other 1% of high end gamers have gotten NOTHING out of this recent slate of product intros...which is weird when you consider that it is a MIDRANGE update. Nobody has made ANY claims that they are releasing a card that is HIGH END. Are both of these cards very fast? Sure they are, they both slot somewhere in between 2900xt and 8800gtx, with the 3870 closer to 2900xt and 8800gt closer to 8800gtx. Are they priced anything even REMOTELY like the 2900xt or 8800gtx? NO. These cards are literally 1/2 the price (60% if you take price gouging into account) of their high-end breathren, and they offer 80-95% of the performance of 8800gtx. AND YOU ARE UPSET BY THIS????? If the product intro doesn't impact you, then great, wait for g100 and/or r680/700. However, the vast majority of gamers have been getting by on substandard gpus for a long time now, and this midrange refresh with upper end performance on the cheap is just what the doctor ordered.

So please, pass the peace pipe because you have it filled with some VERY good stuff.

 

[PliotronX]

Originally posted by: swtethan
What are YOU smoking?

It is my observation that purchasers of high end cards (GTX/Ultra) are throwing a hissy fit because they want to run Crysis in DX10 on their 30" screens. They are upset that the real meat and potatoes of the enthusiast market is getting some much needed attention. Folks with disposable income tend to be impatient

 

[Mana]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
oh, so you were done speaking? Well, then, allow me to RETORT!

Let me guess...you have an 8800gtx? You and the other 1% of high end gamers have gotten NOTHING out of this recent slate of product intros...which is weird when you consider that it is a MIDRANGE update. Nobody has made ANY claims that they are releasing a card that is HIGH END. Are both of these cards very fast? Sure they are, they both slot somewhere in between 2900xt and 8800gtx, with the 3870 closer to 2900xt and 8800gt closer to 8800gtx. Are they priced anything even REMOTELY like the 2900xt or 8800gtx? NO. These cards are literally 1/2 the price (60% if you take price gouging into account) of their high-end breathren, and they offer 80-95% of the performance of 8800gtx. AND YOU ARE UPSET BY THIS????? If the product intro doesn't impact you, then great, wait for g100 and/or r680/700. However, the vast majority of gamers have been getting by on substandard gpus for a long time now, and this midrange refresh with upper end performance on the cheap is just what the doctor ordered.

So please, pass the peace pipe because you have it filled with some VERY good stuff.

Amen, now excuse me while I go order my Radeon 3870...

 

[Link]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
oh, so you were done speaking? Well, then, allow me to RETORT!

Let me guess...you have an 8800gtx? You and the other 1% of high end gamers have gotten NOTHING out of this recent slate of product intros...which is weird when you consider that it is a MIDRANGE update. Nobody has made ANY claims that they are releasing a card that is HIGH END. Are both of these cards very fast? Sure they are, they both slot somewhere in between 2900xt and 8800gtx, with the 3870 closer to 2900xt and 8800gt closer to 8800gtx. Are they priced anything even REMOTELY like the 2900xt or 8800gtx? NO. These cards are literally 1/2 the price (60% if you take price gouging into account) of their high-end breathren, and they offer 80-95% of the performance of 8800gtx. AND YOU ARE UPSET BY THIS????? If the product intro doesn't impact you, then great, wait for g100 and/or r680/700. However, the vast majority of gamers have been getting by on substandard gpus for a long time now, and this midrange refresh with upper end performance on the cheap is just what the doctor ordered.

So please, pass the peace pipe because you have it filled with some VERY good stuff.

He can't afford any of "very good stuff" since he spent it all on a 8800GTX.

 

[Syntax Error]

Not all of us can afford a $500-700 GPU every year. This new line of midrange $250 graphics cards that almost rival the power of these $500 GPUs is a great opportunity for those of us that want to get some gaming power. Sure, it may not run Crysis at a full 60FPS, but neither will your $500 GPU either.

When the new stuff comes out, feel free to dump another $500-700 to fill your void in your life.

 

[jdoggg12]

Originally posted by: cambit69
First disappointment was my joining AT, later followed by my creating this thread

OP has been edited for clarity and truth

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: cambit69
First disappointment of the year was the 8800GT, now it's the HD3870. Performs slower than the 8800GT which performs slower than the 8800GTX. LOL at AMD trying to push UVD and DX10.1.

Is it just me or is the entire video card industry sucking? The HD3870 and 8800GT are examples of year old technology being shoved down the consumers throats and then marketed as being the next-generation thing. Maybe the two companies got smart and decided it wasn't worth it to compete performance wise and met in secret to collude and make crappy video cards.

LOL at trying to fit 4 of them in crossfire, what are they smoking?

dude, the 8800GT is SUPPOSED to be slower than the GTX as the GTX is still nvidia's flasgship. As for the 3870 being slower than the 8800GT, we have come to expect this. NV has had a nice lead over ATi/AMD for a while now.

 

[imported_cambit69]

Originally posted by: Syntax Error
Not all of us can afford a $500-700 GPU every year. This new line of midrange $250 graphics cards that almost rival the power of these $500 GPUs is a great opportunity for those of us that want to get some gaming power. Sure, it may not run Crysis at a full 60FPS, but neither will your $500 GPU either.

When the new stuff comes out, feel free to dump another $500-700 to fill your void in your life.

straight-line depreciation

purchase price of asset = $700
estimated salvage value at end of life = $200
estimated useful life of asset = 24 months

($700 - $200) / 24 = $20.83 monthly depreciation of your 8800GTX if you bought it brand new in November 2006.

today is november 14th 2007, approx. 12 months since first purchase. 12 * $20.83 = $250 depreciated to date. current book value of 8800gtx = $450

quick look on ebay, the last 6 GTX's sold for ~$414

so in conclusion my purchase made 1 year ago is still worth more than your 8800GT which you probably paid $300 for because it's sold out everywhere AND I still get more performance than you.... pwnd

would you like me to calculate double-declining rate depreciation for you as well?

 

[Quiksilver]

Oh, how I so wish I could be able to post images on AT forums I have the most perfect one for this thread.

 

[Syntax Error]

Originally posted by: cambit69

Originally posted by: Syntax Error
Not all of us can afford a $500-700 GPU every year. This new line of midrange $250 graphics cards that almost rival the power of these $500 GPUs is a great opportunity for those of us that want to get some gaming power. Sure, it may not run Crysis at a full 60FPS, but neither will your $500 GPU either.

When the new stuff comes out, feel free to dump another $500-700 to fill your void in your life.

so in conclusion my purchase made 1 year ago is still worth more than your 8800GT which you probably paid $300 for because it's sold out everywhere AND I still get more performance than you.... pwnd

Let's not go into assumptions here, especially considering I ordered my 8800GT for $229.

 

[AzN]

All that matters is price performance in the real world. Those 1% the market who buy super high end cards are the minority.

If AMD can deliver solid price than these midrange cards are sucess. Lot better than $300 8800gt.

 

[requiem1]

Originally posted by: Syntax Error

Originally posted by: cambit69

Originally posted by: Syntax Error
Not all of us can afford a $500-700 GPU every year. This new line of midrange $250 graphics cards that almost rival the power of these $500 GPUs is a great opportunity for those of us that want to get some gaming power. Sure, it may not run Crysis at a full 60FPS, but neither will your $500 GPU either.

When the new stuff comes out, feel free to dump another $500-700 to fill your void in your life.

so in conclusion my purchase made 1 year ago is still worth more than your 8800GT which you probably paid $300 for because it's sold out everywhere AND I still get more performance than you.... pwnd

Let's not go into assumptions here, especially considering I ordered my 8800GT for $229.

damn ur lucky. and i thought it had it good with $249...did u order like..within the first hour?

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: Syntax Error

Originally posted by: cambit69

Originally posted by: Syntax Error
Not all of us can afford a $500-700 GPU every year. This new line of midrange $250 graphics cards that almost rival the power of these $500 GPUs is a great opportunity for those of us that want to get some gaming power. Sure, it may not run Crysis at a full 60FPS, but neither will your $500 GPU either.

When the new stuff comes out, feel free to dump another $500-700 to fill your void in your life.

so in conclusion my purchase made 1 year ago is still worth more than your 8800GT which you probably paid $300 for because it's sold out everywhere AND I still get more performance than you.... pwnd

Let's not go into assumptions here, especially considering I ordered my 8800GT for $229.

Oh! I purchased mine for $239

cambit, can I see your 3dmark06 score? Here is mine


http://i23.tinypic.com/w7ir2p.jpg

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: requiem1

Originally posted by: Syntax Error

Originally posted by: cambit69

Originally posted by: Syntax Error
Not all of us can afford a $500-700 GPU every year. This new line of midrange $250 graphics cards that almost rival the power of these $500 GPUs is a great opportunity for those of us that want to get some gaming power. Sure, it may not run Crysis at a full 60FPS, but neither will your $500 GPU either.

When the new stuff comes out, feel free to dump another $500-700 to fill your void in your life.

so in conclusion my purchase made 1 year ago is still worth more than your 8800GT which you probably paid $300 for because it's sold out everywhere AND I still get more performance than you.... pwnd

Let's not go into assumptions here, especially considering I ordered my 8800GT for $229.

damn ur lucky. and i thought it had it good with $249...did u order like..within the first hour?

I think he jumped on that non superclocked evga from frys.

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: cambit69

Originally posted by: Syntax Error
Not all of us can afford a $500-700 GPU every year. This new line of midrange $250 graphics cards that almost rival the power of these $500 GPUs is a great opportunity for those of us that want to get some gaming power. Sure, it may not run Crysis at a full 60FPS, but neither will your $500 GPU either.

When the new stuff comes out, feel free to dump another $500-700 to fill your void in your life.

straight-line depreciation

purchase price of asset = $700
estimated salvage value at end of life = $200
estimated useful life of asset = 24 months

($700 - $200) / 24 = $20.83 monthly depreciation of your 8800GTX if you bought it brand new in November 2006.

today is november 14th 2007, approx. 12 months since first purchase. 12 * $20.83 = $250 depreciated to date. current book value of 8800gtx = $450

quick look on ebay, the last 6 GTX's sold for ~$414

so in conclusion my purchase made 1 year ago is still worth more than your 8800GT which you probably paid $300 for because it's sold out everywhere AND I still get more performance than you.... pwnd

would you like me to calculate double-declining rate depreciation for you as well?

I thought you had a GTS?

 

[Syntax Error]

Originally posted by: requiem1

Originally posted by: Syntax Error

Originally posted by: cambit69

Originally posted by: Syntax Error
Not all of us can afford a $500-700 GPU every year. This new line of midrange $250 graphics cards that almost rival the power of these $500 GPUs is a great opportunity for those of us that want to get some gaming power. Sure, it may not run Crysis at a full 60FPS, but neither will your $500 GPU either.

When the new stuff comes out, feel free to dump another $500-700 to fill your void in your life.

so in conclusion my purchase made 1 year ago is still worth more than your 8800GT which you probably paid $300 for because it's sold out everywhere AND I still get more performance than you.... pwnd

Let's not go into assumptions here, especially considering I ordered my 8800GT for $229.

damn ur lucky. and i thought it had it good with $249...did u order like..within the first hour?

Yeah it's kinda a complicated story about how I got my 8800GT...

I ordered from NCIX early 8:00 PST on Oct. 29th (it was $249.99 at the time with two games and a mousepad, cool deal). Card didn't get verified for some damn reason and the order was cancelled.

Browsed around, and then ordered the $229 Fry's 8800GT (you know, the one that appears to be the Superclocked version at 650 core/950 memory stock ) and placed a preorder a couple days later before Fry's pulled the ad.

Waited for one and a half weeks and it shipped. Took a bit of patience, especially considering that others that got the NCIX deal had their cards ship out same day, but whatever. The card overclocks well and will FLY with a good aftermarket, and I'm near GTX scores on frames, for a full 50% of what a GTX costs today, a year later after its release.

 

[bryanW1995]

good luck pocketing over $400 for a gtx anywhere these days. realistically 350-375 take home after paypal/shipping expenses/etc is the money on them. $200 or so depreciation isn't too bad on a $550 card that is a year old imho. Hold it for another 6-9 mos and you probably won't depreciate much more, either. Just be happy that amd is finally pushing nvidia a little bit again.

@swtethan: I want one of those 31099 systems that are faster than 14582

 

[tomoyo]

Originally posted by: cambit69
First disappointment of the year was the 8800GT, now it's the HD3870. Performs slower than the 8800GT which performs slower than the 8800GTX. LOL at AMD trying to push UVD and DX10.1.

Is it just me or is the entire video card industry sucking? The HD3870 and 8800GT are examples of year old technology being shoved down the consumers throats and then marketed as being the next-generation thing. Maybe the two companies got smart and decided it wasn't worth it to compete performance wise and met in secret to collude and make crappy video cards.

LOL at trying to fit 4 of them in crossfire, what are they smoking?

Honestly I think you just need to shut up, all you do is flamebait regarding cheap high end cards that you're obviously mad about because they're far cheaper than what you bought.

 

[taltamir]

The OP raises some valid points people... I don't see how you can justify such acridity towards his opinions.

And those personal attacks against him for voicing them are just uncalled for.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

@swtethan: I want one of those 31099 systems that are faster than 14582

huh?

 

[CoshVSR]

Hi all. I can agree with the very first post.
I have 24inch Monitor and its native res is 1920*1200. New games like Crysis or NFS Pro street, Bioshock and GoW...They are poorly optimized for PC. I can't get any good fps on c2d with 8800GTX. I think 30 fps minimum for racing and 50 for shooter is realy needed. I cant get 30 or more on high settings in NFS and 50 or more in Crysis.
I've purchased 8800GTX ... 9 month ago and many DX9 games are runnin realy fast. New gen games need more powerfull GPUs, or (and it's better i think) more optimization...
Just IMHO.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: CoshVSR
Hi all. I can agree with the very first post.
I have 24inch Monitor and its native res is 1920*1200. New games like Crysis or NFS Pro street, Bioshock and GoW...They are poorly optimized for PC. I can't get any good fps on c2d with 8800GTX. I think 30 fps minimum for racing and 50 for shooter is realy needed. I cant get 30 or more on high settings in NFS and 50 or more in Crysis.
I've purchased 8800GTX ... 9 month ago and many DX9 games are runnin realy fast. New gen games need more powerfull GPUs, or (and it's better i think) more optimization...
Just IMHO.

Oh gee.... first post and this is what you post? lol

 

[CP5670]

I can sort of see where the OP is coming from. If AMD had remained competitive at the high end over the last year, we would probably have a new generation of cards at this point, including both a midrange card comparable to the 8800GT and a substantially faster high end part. The 8800GT is good for what it is, but at this point in time it's more or less what we would expect to see from a midrange product. We still haven't got any real high end card.