Who else thinks the HD3870 sucks?

[Nurn]

Hardwarecanucks review overclocked the 3870 and it beat the 8800GT.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com...preview.html#post26213

 

[SniperDaws]

Originally posted by: Nurn
Hardwarecanucks review overclocked the 3870 and it beat the 8800GT.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com...preview.html#post26213

it beat a standard clocked GT but you can overclock a GT, the card isnt worth the money, Scan are selling it in the UK for £153 but it would be worth the extra £23 to get the 8800GT at £176.

The only people that will buy these cards are the same people that bought the 2900XT, ill leave it to your imagination to work out why.


Me ill be buying the 8800GT if only i could find somone in the UK with stock.......Grrrrrrrr.

 

[wolfy87]

ehmmm...
The fact is that many of RESPECTABLE/WITH REPUTATION hardware sites gave this card 9/10. And medals like editors choice and similar...
The facts are:
* 90% of guys can not afford GTX/ULTRA card
* this is a great card just as 8800GT and with great prices
* a lot of guys don`t suffer for mega resolutions, they are satisfied with more-less 20"
* many guys will buy these cards
* many guys like author of this topic will be mad about their
* and finnaly, why would anyone think that this is the end of road, that stronger cards will not be introduced in close future, first things first - major part of the market must be supplied

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: SniperDaws

Originally posted by: Nurn
Hardwarecanucks review overclocked the 3870 and it beat the 8800GT.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com...preview.html#post26213

it beat a standard clocked GT but you can overclock a GT, the card isnt worth the money, Scan are selling it in the UK for £153 but it would be worth the extra £23 to get the 8800GT at £176.

The only people that will buy these cards are the same people that bought the 2900XT, ill leave it to your imagination to work out why.


Me ill be buying the 8800GT if only i could find somone in the UK with stock.......Grrrrrrrr.

Yup people who are conscious about how much money they spend. That would be oh 98% of the world population.

 

[shaolin95]

I have never done drugs in my life but if I ever wanted to do so, I will for sure call this guy....that must be some good shit indeed! LOL

Originally posted by: cambit69

Originally posted by: Syntax Error
Not all of us can afford a $500-700 GPU every year. This new line of midrange $250 graphics cards that almost rival the power of these $500 GPUs is a great opportunity for those of us that want to get some gaming power. Sure, it may not run Crysis at a full 60FPS, but neither will your $500 GPU either.

When the new stuff comes out, feel free to dump another $500-700 to fill your void in your life.

straight-line depreciation

purchase price of asset = $700
estimated salvage value at end of life = $200
estimated useful life of asset = 24 months

($700 - $200) / 24 = $20.83 monthly depreciation of your 8800GTX if you bought it brand new in November 2006.

today is november 14th 2007, approx. 12 months since first purchase. 12 * $20.83 = $250 depreciated to date. current book value of 8800gtx = $450

quick look on ebay, the last 6 GTX's sold for ~$414

so in conclusion my purchase made 1 year ago is still worth more than your 8800GT which you probably paid $300 for because it's sold out everywhere AND I still get more performance than you.... pwnd

would you like me to calculate double-declining rate depreciation for you as well?

 

[brencat]

Originally posted by: Nurn
Hardwarecanucks review overclocked the 3870 and it beat the 8800GT.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com...preview.html#post26213

Thanks Nurn. That's the type of article I was looking for.

 

[gingerstewart55]

Originally posted by: cambit69
Who else thinks the HD3870 sucks?

You, my dear meat-smoking troll.......only you.

 

[bryanW1995]

wow, meat-smoking troll...I'll have to remember that one!

seriously, 3870 doesn't "suck", it's just not as fast as 8800gt, which isn't as fast as 8800gtx, which isn't as fast as ultra. pretty simple. now, when the new high end parts come out in 08 amd needs to do WHATEVER IT TAKES to get back the perf crown, but I think that this launch is going to be a home run for them. Well, as long as they can supply enough cards anyway.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: cambit69
First disappointment was my joining AT, later followed by my creating this thread

OP has been edited for clarity and truth

Makes a lot more sense than the original post.

 

[aldamon]

Originally posted by: Nurn
Hardwarecanucks review overclocked the 3870 and it beat the 8800GT.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com...preview.html#post26213

The 8800GT overclocks, too.

 

[MyLeftNut]

Too bad the 3870 can't overclock higher especially with that cooler running smaller gpu. Perhaps if it could do past 900 it would be at about the level of an overclocked 8800gt.

 

[bryanW1995]

that seems odd that it would just shut off at 860. I've seen others that stopped at 860, too. too bad, it looks like it should do a lot more than that.

 

[MTDEW]

I think 8800GTX + Crysis = A lot of disappointed people.

Im an 8800gtx owner and just bought my wife an 8800GT, and i'll have to strongly disagree that the 8800gt sucks.
Its an absolute AWESOME card for the $$$$
Seriously , you'd could easily swap an 8800gtx and an 8800gt and you'd never notice it while gaming.

Whats happening is, we've gotten used (more like addicted) to being able to own fast enough hardware to Max any game with aniso and AA enabled.

Now here comes Crysis and it doesnt matter if you have Thousands of $$$ to spend on a system you're not going to get the performance you want.
The hardware simply isnt available.

And man thats driving some of us nuts....LOL

If there was a card available that would run Crysis at 1920x1200 with AA and aniso cranked up, i bet you could sell them for $999 right now and they'd fly off the shelves.

Everyone would complain about the price of course.....but they'd still sell out.

 

[jimboc22]

Why is everyone mad because there isn't a card to run Crysis well at high res? Maybe they should be mad at EA because they didn't develope a game that will run well on most video cards. It's crazy how one game determines whether people think a card is good or not.

 

[bryanW1995]

780i in 3 wks with 3 card sli ultra should it.

 

[idiotekniQues]

gpu's with two cores perhaps?

 

[Stoneburner]

Sure the OP's is hardly diplomatic but he does have a point. There should be a new high end option. Who says only one part of the market can be served at any given time? I typically go for mid range stuff too but I was looking forward to ultra high end for this upgrade cycle because of Crysis and UT3.

 

[speckedhoncho]

by Aiden

The OP is only correct in reguards to the inflated price for the 8800GT, and the inflated price on the 3870/3850 from ncix. These cards are not intended to Fill the high end market. In 2-3 months you will be seeing 8800Gt for under 230$, possibly 200$ with rebates. the 8800Gt 256MB version will be under 200$. Prices for the ATI cards will be even lower. at 150$ the ATI 3850 looks to be one of the best deals in along time.

The GT's $/performance is fabulous right now. Its stature as a GTX replacement makes sense only to people who can't wait for the middle-to-high-end 9000 series and don't already have a GTX or even in 2900XT or GTS.

If you don't have one of those cards (GTX,GTS,2900XT), then $250 for a card that is not far way from the GTX and beats the GTS is a steal.

But the OP is right about the industry's lack-luster competition. Way to stick to your guns!

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Sure the OP's is hardly diplomatic but he does have a point. There should be a new high end option. Who says only one part of the market can be served at any given time? I typically go for mid range stuff too but I was looking forward to ultra high end for this upgrade cycle because of Crysis and UT3.

You can probably wait until next year when the next gen stuff arrives, I think Crysis probably had that crop of cards in mind when designed. UT3, no you can play that right now, esp. if you seen how well Gears of War plays and looks on current HW.

 

[Pythias]

Oh my GAWD! Cheap, powerful graphics cards! The HORROR!

 

[miniMUNCH]

I got a 8800 GTS 640 back in January for my new Vista rig at cost so I lucked out.

I'll just say that I am happy for folks that high performance cards are more affordable.

 

[Aiden]

Originally posted by: speckedhoncho
by Aiden

The OP is only correct in reguards to the inflated price for the 8800GT, and the inflated price on the 3870/3850 from ncix. These cards are not intended to Fill the high end market. In 2-3 months you will be seeing 8800Gt for under 230$, possibly 200$ with rebates. the 8800Gt 256MB version will be under 200$. Prices for the ATI cards will be even lower. at 150$ the ATI 3850 looks to be one of the best deals in along time.

The GT's $/performance is fabulous right now. Its stature as a GTX replacement makes sense only to people who can't wait for the middle-to-high-end 9000 series and don't already have a GTX or even in 2900XT or GTS.

If you don't have one of those cards (GTX,GTS,2900XT), then $250 for a card that is not far way from the GTX and beats the GTS is a steal.

But the OP is right about the industry's lack-luster competition. Way to stick to your guns!

i would agree 100% if you can find a GT for 250$. As it stands now, you cant, and probably wont for some time to come. actual price/preformance is pretty poor due to the 20-33% inflation on the cards due to supply. The card was supposed to be the high end card in the mainstream /mid-range price market. Due to its outstanding preformance its been ramped up to enthusiest prices, but the card was not intended to be a GTX replacement.

The OP is correct in reguards to the lack of improvement at the high end market, and lack of compitition in general in the GPU market. it does not meant the offerings suck though. personally, the 8800gt and the 3850/3870 are the first cards that really look good, when compared to the mid-range crap both ati and nvidia have put out over the last year or more.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: jimboc22
Why is everyone mad because there isn't a card to run Crysis well at high res? Maybe they should be mad at EA because they didn't develope a game that will run well on most video cards. It's crazy how one game determines whether people think a card is good or not.

No, why should someone make a game that does NOT take advantage of all the features they want to use? WHy should a game developer have to cut back because Nvidia and ATI can't get their heads out of the sand and make a card that can do it?

 

[SniperDaws]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: SniperDaws

Originally posted by: Nurn
Hardwarecanucks review overclocked the 3870 and it beat the 8800GT.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com...preview.html#post26213

it beat a standard clocked GT but you can overclock a GT, the card isnt worth the money, Scan are selling it in the UK for £153 but it would be worth the extra £23 to get the 8800GT at £176.

The only people that will buy these cards are the same people that bought the 2900XT, ill leave it to your imagination to work out why.


Me ill be buying the 8800GT if only i could find somone in the UK with stock.......Grrrrrrrr.

Yup people who are conscious about how much money they spend. That would be oh 98% of the world population.

Correct which is why people dont want to spend £150 on a card that wont get the job done, just because its cheap doesnt make it good value, for the extra £20 your getting much faster card in the 8800GT and this is before overclocking it, if the ATI card performed at least on par with the 8800GT then id buy 1 but as its crap its a waste of money. if i wanted a cheap card with that performance id buy a 1900XT because its no slower than the 3870.

 

[bryanW1995]

really, the x1900xt is no slower than a 3870? please provide us with the proof.