who here has scoliosis?

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: iliopsoas

Originally posted by: eits

i'm confused as to why you think a chiropractor can't make the same diagnosis as a musculoskeletal radiologist.

Obviously, you don't know much about the medical profession. I think you should stay in chiropractic school and let them brainwash you some more.

?? i went to med school for a year before i transfered out and went to chiropractic school. both med school and chiropractic schools teach the exact same material, except chiropractic school has a different paradigm when it comes to health.

i think it's obvious that you don't know much about the chiropractic profession and to cover it up, you go around ignorantly saying that chiropractors are quacks. you might as well go around saying all german cars are crap and everyone should buy american.

what do you call someone who flunks out of med school?
a chiropractor.

a chiropractor can be licensed without even go to an accredited school.

not true.

also, i didn't flunk out. i had a 3.1 gpa. i didn't like the idea of being a pill pusher.[/quote]


instead, you'd rather be a quack who would give people vertebral artery dissections and strokes from your chiropractic manipulations.[/quote]

ok, please, can you go learn a little more about chiropractic before trolling? you're really starting to get annoying.[/quote]

are you denying that chiropractic manipulations can cause vertebral dissections?[/quote]
his silence can be taken as a "no" for the answer to that question.

[/quote]

my silence can be taken as me watching 'grey's anatomy' and studying for my cardiorespiratory diagnosis exam.[/quote]
so answer his question.
i mean, you responded to my post fast enough.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: iliopsoas

Originally posted by: eits
hell no i don't. of course it can. but it typically doesn't happen unless you don't know what you're doing. vertebral artery dissections typically happen to patients with plaquing, family history of stroke, and it only happens on supine cervical adjustments. believe it or not, you can adjust the neck side posture, prone, with no gross movements, and by adjusting the major posterior myofascial plane.

the chance of it happening is 1:50,000. that's nothing compared to the percentage of iatrogenic diseases and accidental medical deaths that happen every year... not to mention the number of doctors who leave sponges or tools in their patients when they sew up. you don't see me trying to bash the medical doctors for that, though, do you?

you really need to take the blinders off and actually READ some of my posts. you also really need to learn about a subject before you go spouting off nonsense. only idiots bash things they don't know enough about.

benefits of chiropractic: zip, zero, nada
risks of being a vegetable: very real
chiropractors laughing their way to the bank: priceless

??? what in the hell? where did you dig up that nonsense?

actually, you know what? i don't care. whatever. you obviously have some personal issue with chiropractic and that's fine if you don't want to be open-minded. it's your life, your body, your choice.

but, please, if you don't mind, shut up already. you've already voiced your ill-informed opinion MANY times and after a while, it's just constant annoying trolling.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: iliopsoas

Originally posted by: eits

i'm confused as to why you think a chiropractor can't make the same diagnosis as a musculoskeletal radiologist.

Obviously, you don't know much about the medical profession. I think you should stay in chiropractic school and let them brainwash you some more.

?? i went to med school for a year before i transfered out and went to chiropractic school. both med school and chiropractic schools teach the exact same material, except chiropractic school has a different paradigm when it comes to health.

i think it's obvious that you don't know much about the chiropractic profession and to cover it up, you go around ignorantly saying that chiropractors are quacks. you might as well go around saying all german cars are crap and everyone should buy american.

what do you call someone who flunks out of med school?
a chiropractor.

a chiropractor can be licensed without even go to an accredited school.

not true.

also, i didn't flunk out. i had a 3.1 gpa. i didn't like the idea of being a pill pusher.

instead, you'd rather be a quack who would give people vertebral artery dissections and strokes from your chiropractic manipulations.[/quote]

ok, please, can you go learn a little more about chiropractic before trolling? you're really starting to get annoying.[/quote]

are you denying that chiropractic manipulations can cause vertebral dissections?[/quote]
his silence can be taken as a "no" for the answer to that question.

[/quote]

my silence can be taken as me watching 'grey's anatomy' and studying for my cardiorespiratory diagnosis exam.[/quote]
so answer his question.
i mean, you responded to my post fast enough.

[/quote]

scroll up. i answered his right before i answered yours.

 

[edprush]

Why doesn't anyone answer my question regarding how to find a Logan trained chirpractor in my area?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: edprush
Why doesn't anyone answer my question regarding how to find a Logan trained chirpractor in my area?

crap, i'm sorry, man. ygpm.

 

[edprush]

bump

 

[bob4432]

i have it as a by-product of another neurological injury/disease - cervical and thoracic dystonia = chronic muscle spasms (just think of a lot of little charlies horses that last years ) in the upper back, neck and shoulders. due to the chronic spasms i get twisted up pretty good between injections (botox to paralyze portions of the muscles - yes the same stuff you hear about for womens forehead wrinkles, but just an fyi - botox is used 70% medicinal and only 30% for cosmetic uses - it is a wonderful medication) for the dystonia - you can easily see when it is time for my injections - shoulders not level at all, sometimes an inch or 2 lower on one side. back gets all jacked up.

and this is the "under control" situation, before i had a good neurologist nobody really knew what it was or what was going on and i was actually put through many bouts of physical therapy, put on my drugs because they said it was "in my head" although you could easily see serious differences in mucle build on my back, even to the uneducated person it was very obvious. but nobody knew how to fix it so they kind of screwed me up more.

 

[LanceM]

My wife has somewhat of a "hump" on her lower neck. When she was little, her doctor said to watch for warning signs such as difficulty walking; otherwise, it'd probably not be a big deal.

She's 24, exercises four days each week, and it rarely (nearly never) bothers her. Hope it stays that way.

 

[edprush]

Originally posted by: bob4432
i have it as a by-product of another neurological injury/disease - cervical and thoracic dystonia = chronic muscle spasms (just think of a lot of little charlies horses that last years ) in the upper back, neck and shoulders. due to the chronic spasms i get twisted up pretty good between injections (botox to paralyze portions of the muscles - yes the same stuff you hear about for womens forehead wrinkles, but just an fyi - botox is used 70% medicinal and only 30% for cosmetic uses - it is a wonderful medication) for the dystonia - you can easily see when it is time for my injections - shoulders not level at all, sometimes an inch or 2 lower on one side. back gets all jacked up.

and this is the "under control" situation, before i had a good neurologist nobody really knew what it was or what was going on and i was actually put through many bouts of physical therapy, put on my drugs because they said it was "in my head" although you could easily see serious differences in mucle build on my back, even to the uneducated person it was very obvious. but nobody knew how to fix it so they kind of screwed me up more.

That's interesting. Do your muslces atrophy during the botox paralysis?

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: edprush

Originally posted by: bob4432
i have it as a by-product of another neurological injury/disease - cervical and thoracic dystonia = chronic muscle spasms (just think of a lot of little charlies horses that last years ) in the upper back, neck and shoulders. due to the chronic spasms i get twisted up pretty good between injections (botox to paralyze portions of the muscles - yes the same stuff you hear about for womens forehead wrinkles, but just an fyi - botox is used 70% medicinal and only 30% for cosmetic uses - it is a wonderful medication) for the dystonia - you can easily see when it is time for my injections - shoulders not level at all, sometimes an inch or 2 lower on one side. back gets all jacked up.

and this is the "under control" situation, before i had a good neurologist nobody really knew what it was or what was going on and i was actually put through many bouts of physical therapy, put on my drugs because they said it was "in my head" although you could easily see serious differences in mucle build on my back, even to the uneducated person it was very obvious. but nobody knew how to fix it so they kind of screwed me up more.

That's interesting. Do your muslces atrophy during the botox paralysis?

i am sure parts do but we are talking about large muscles in the back, shoulder and upper neck. basically they are trying to "re-train" the muscle so it doesn't think that being tight like it is should be its normal state. this was the result from a repetitive motion injury. mine are performed by a neurologist under emg guidance, so he get the nucleus of the spasm and botox is pretty focal so it really doesn't affect an area that is far from the actual injection. the problem is in 3mos (the efficacy of botox for the most) the muscles start firing like crazy again, but not to the point of where i was say 2yrs ago. every time i get the injections the pain of getting them is less along with the spasming, but it is a slow process - one that will take numerous years. in fact recently i had 1.25yrs of continual injections every 3mos, so i was able to start working out again very lightly - this created issues not related to my upper back but lower back and the sad part is that now a spinal tumor was found - now i have to get surgery on that at the end of the month.

my sister in law is a derm and my wife works for plastic surgeons and when i have seen it used on small muscles like the forehead, those muscles bascially disappear if the botox is used continuously, but if they stop using it the muscle will come back.

 

[stormbv]

Just how serious is the surgical operation to fix scoliosis? I have it, but I don't know how bad it is. Must not be too bad, because my back rarely hurts. I do, however, want to be taller, so that's why I ask about the surgery.

 

[d3n]

Originally posted by: stormbv
Just how serious is the surgical operation to fix scoliosis? I have it, but I don't know how bad it is. Must not be too bad, because my back rarely hurts. I do, however, want to be taller, so that's why I ask about the surgery.

Most surgeries for scoliosis rely on inserting bars to stiffen the spine and fuse vertebrae to keep them from moving. This has the effect of stunting growth. Something usually has to be done though, because left on its own, scoliosis tends to go from bad to worse quickly, especially in the very young.

My infant daughter had sever scoliosis and we have managed to greatly improve it with no surgery. The doctors had said that she was too small to qualify for any type of operation. They were even pushing for surgery but couldn't justify it since titanium rib as they call it was the next big surgical procedure for correction. I was left with the overriding impression that they wanted to get into the operating room and get the practice. It turns out she wasnt quite severe enough to qualify even if she was big enough despite her ribs being close enough to fuse together. You have to be pretty bad for doctors to want to operate on anyone that young

Thats when started treatment with chiropractic. Over several months we started to see and actual improvement in the curve with chiropractic, about 4 degrees a month. The MD's were amazed, it basically never happens. We picked the chiropractor carefully. He happend to go to a chiropractic school called Palmer

We happened on another procedure called a Reizer Cast. Its basically a full torso cast that
was modified by a doctor in France. Its worn over the course 6 months to a year and is changed at regular intervals. The catch with this is the spine is positioned for correction at each change out. Has holes cut in the diaphragm and the kids can stay pretty mobile and active. In the end it almost makes the curve undetectable to casual observation. This is something that a braces have a very difficult time doing since braces tend just hold and do not correct. The casting is basically a surgery in itself and I imagine would only be practical for kids under 12. Its only done at two Shiners hospitals that I know of. Salt Lake and Eire, PA.

I would still have strong reservations about the typical scoliosis surgery unless she was close to full hight growth wise. The longer you can put off having to get rods and fuse bones the better. I would look to braces and chiropractic. If the braces are crap go to a doctor that can do it right. At the least it should hold the condition and let as much growing as possible finish.

 

[edprush]

Aren't there exercises/stretches that a person with less-than-severe scolisis could do to lessen the curve and rotation of their spine?