Who is making these decisions at Toyota?

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I saw a Prius with the license plate LES GILT the other day. That right there made me decide to keep driving my Supra for another few years and also considering a used Explorer to add to the mix.

All my vehicles make Prius drivers cry when they think about how much of the environment I destroy every day.
 

shiznit

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the environmental impact of producing a prius, or any car for that matter, is much greater than how much the car pollutes during its lifetime. If we really cared for the planet, we would stop producing and buying new cars and drive the ones we already have into the ground. A new Prius owner would help the environment much more by keeping his/her old car.
 

PhoKingGuy

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Why is that?

HPFP and injector problems mainly in places with sketchy fuel quality. Hasn't been much of a problem in CA as our gas laws are fairly stringent but I can't speak for the rest of the country. BMW had many headaches with the injectors on the 3.0TT and VW with the 2.0T, most have been sorted by now but its still a bad memory.
 

KDKPSJ

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HPFP and injector problems mainly in places with sketchy fuel quality. Hasn't been much of a problem in CA as our gas laws are fairly stringent but I can't speak for the rest of the country. BMW had many headaches with the injectors on the 3.0TT and VW with the 2.0T, most have been sorted by now but its still a bad memory.

Isn't Bimmer's issue due to the overheat, not actual quality of fuel? AFAIK, N54 in bigger boys (ie. 535i) with bigger cooling capacity have had no issue.
 

npoe1

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Isn't Bimmer's issue due to the overheat, not actual quality of fuel? AFAIK, N54 in bigger boys (ie. 535i) with bigger cooling capacity have had no issue.

I was not aware of the issue with the injectors and gas is not that good over here... or so they say.

I'll keep that in mind on my next buy just in case.

Thanks guys,
 

Pulsar

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the environmental impact of producing a prius, or any car for that matter, is much greater than how much the car pollutes during its lifetime. If we really cared for the planet, we would stop producing and buying new cars and drive the ones we already have into the ground. A new Prius owner would help the environment much more by keeping his/her old car.

Huh?

I mean, I understand the part about it taking natural resources to build a car. Moreso than the a car uses to drive.


However, last time I checked, there aren't fleets of still-good cars sitting around not being sold. There is no huge surplus of cars in America. It's not like you get rid of your old car and they crumple it up and throw it away. It gets sold to someone else, and they drive it.

The current rate of auto production (10-12 million) is basically simply replacing cars that are worn out, broken down, or trashed in accidents. If there was a huge glut of used cars, the market bottom would drop out. It hasn't, and isn't. In fact, it's increased due to cash-for-clunkers.

If we actually cared about the planet, we would draw fact based conclusions from actual data and not just throw "Green" ideas out like "Everyone should stop buying new cars".
 

exdeath

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What's the problem? Tune the thing to the moon and back for high performance, nerf it with a down-flash before it goes to market and pass CAFE standards, then consumers can un-nerf it with a programmer and trade consumption for performance if they want. Win/win.
 
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thomsbrain

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Toyota may not have anticipated the damage they have done to their nameplate by nearly two decades of building cars that can only be tolerated by people that view driving as a chore.

No shit young people aren't interested in it, a Toyota badge is barely one step away from Oldsmobile.

Now personally, I think it's an exciting car, but even I would rather be seen in the Subaru version, regardless of how they style it.
 

EightySix Four

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HPFP and injector problems mainly in places with sketchy fuel quality. Hasn't been much of a problem in CA as our gas laws are fairly stringent but I can't speak for the rest of the country. BMW had many headaches with the injectors on the 3.0TT and VW with the 2.0T, most have been sorted by now but its still a bad memory.

GM hasn't had any problems with any of their DI power plants
 

LTC8K6

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The oil vapor deposit problem on the valves in DI engines is apparently bad enough that Toyota may use dual injectors. One for the regular DI, and one for Port, to wash the valves clean of deposits.
 

LTC8K6

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Just looked up the Toyota D4-S injection system and it's probably too early to have been developed specifically for the oil deposit problems with DI.
 

foghorn67

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Maybe...but it was unlikely this car was going to be horrible on the gas mileage to begin with. Get rid of one of their shitty SUV's and give us a real sports car for christ's sake. Who is really going to miss the Sequoia?

Because trucks/SUV's still sell. Love them or hate them.
 

Stefan Payne

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A Subie without AWD?
They do make FWD cars like the Impreza 1.5F
Next thing you know, they'll be making a FWD city car.
Well, they do...
The actual Justy is sold with FWD, but of course it's not made/designed by Subaru it's just badge engeneered by Subaru.
The old ones were Suziki Swifts, the new one is AFAIK a Daihatsu.
Why is that?
'cause than I'm stuck with gasoline and can't really use alternatives like LPG.
 
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