BTW, Shagger, its fairly easy to get a listing of all files in a web directory if there is no index file. For example a place like http:\\myurl.com\pics\supersecret.jpg shows up, if the web master is a bit sloppy and not have a default index page for that directory, then you probably could type http:\\myurl.com\pics\ and it will list everything in that directory. Especially true for geocities, aol, tripod, ect pages since most people don't think of these things.