Who is your favorite and least favorite Presidents and why?

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Fern

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What happens if the Russians get to Mars before the US?

I know how having health care will affect my quality of life but what effect would the Russians landing on a planet 55 to 401 million kilometers away have?

I don't think the Mars issue is the most concerning about the space program budgets cuts.

I may not be up to date, but the last thing I remember was Obama wanting to turn space capability over to private businesses.

We have many satelittes critical to national security is so many ways, I think it's simply foolish to abandon our ability to launch & service them.

Fern
 

IndyColtsFan

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Of course the people with above average intelligence were furious, how could people line up to vote for someone who simply made baseless talking points?

Yeah, it isn't like scholars have consistently rated Reagan as one of the top 10 Presidents in history or anything....
 

darom

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If Lincoln hadn't preserved it militarily and Roosevelt hadn't preserved it from revolution economically, then all of Europe and England, too, would have succumbed to the Nazis.

It wouldn't have been Nazis. My guess is United Socialist States of Europe with puppet governments like Tito's in Yugoslavia or Hoxha's in Albania.
 

Lemon law

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Harding.

he brought us out of the forgotten depression with ideas that worked.

less government
less spending
leaving private citizens and companies alone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression_of_1920–21
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For the absolute worst post on this thread, I gotta nominate Outhouse for defending that total idiot Harding. Even his daddy said, Warren you are lucky you were not born a girl, because you don't know how to say no to crooks, scoundrels, and every seduction that comes down the pike, and would always be in the unwed family way. Maybe we could say that did in President Grant also and to a lesser extent GWB, but at least Grant had the one redeeming quality of being a great General. Harding, somewhat like GWB lacked that single redeeming quality.
 

ShawnD1

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In case you didn't get the Nicaragua point, which it looks like you didn't, Reagan supported the people who were murdering thousands.
The best part was when he sold missiles to Iran. If you or I did that it would be called high treason, but Reagan does it because he's a hero.

I hope my kids grow up to be just like Ronald Reagan. Maybe they'll sell nuclear warheads to Osama Bin Laden.
 

Chaotic42

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I'm obviously no presidential scholar, but I guess I'd say Andrew Jackson is my favorite. I've found him the most fascinating, anyway.

I suppose GWB would be my least favorite. He's the first president that I really watched work (I was 18 when he was elected), and I don't really know how he got away with being called a conservative. I think in some ways it's too early to tell what effect GWB really had. Things are still in motion and none of us are truly neutral judges.
 

Schadenfroh

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Surprised no one has posted this:

http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_5-most-badass-presidents-all-time.html
The 5 Most Badass Presidents of All-Time

As we all prepare to spend a long weekend enjoying Presidential Savings on mattresses and used Toyotas, we could take time to thank some of the presidents who passed bills that protect some of the freedoms your enjoy daily. Or we could spend the day celebrating the presidents who are decidedly more Action Movie Heroes than diplomats.

Anyway, guess which kind of president this website decided to focus on?
 

earthman

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At the risk of invoking Godwin's law, we should remember who was once elected Chancellor of Germany...

Hitler was never elected Chancellor of Germany. He never came in better than 2nd, but since no party had a majority, the rightists convinced a very old President Hindenburg to make him Chancellor with experienced politician Von Papen as Vice Chancellor, thinking he could be "mainstreamed". Boy were they wrong. The Nazis did get the largest portion of the vote a year later, but by that time, a lot of their opponents had been eliminated. There were no "real" elections after that.
 

earthman

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The best president this country has ever had is Franklin D. Roosevelt. A very close second is Abraham Lincoln. These two men, by their vision, saved this country from becoming something very different, in a very different world. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that knows little of history, I think.

As for the presidents since 1900, I rank them as follows:

1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Theodore Roosevelt
3. Dwight Eisenhower
4. Woodrow Wilson
5. Harry Truman
6. John F. Kennedy
7. Lyndon Johnson
8. Jimmy Carter
9. William Howard Taft
10. Bill Clinton
11. George H. W. Bush
12. Gerald Ford
13. Calvin Coolidge
14. Richard Nixon
15. Ronald Reagan
16. Warren G. Harding
17. Herbert Hoover
18. George W. Bush

Barack Obama is not listed as he has not completed his term yet.
 
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IamDavid

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Interesting thread, actually good post by some...

Fav's
Reagan.. Yes he had negatives but he did restore our sense of pride and national unity...
Clinton a and GWB a close 2nd.. I know, I know.. Doesn't make sense.. All in all though I like both. If Cheney was "elected" he'd be my #2.. I like people who stick to what they believe.. Not change by the polls..

Least
JFK.. What a joke.. All myth.. No substance... Quite possibly the weakest POTUS..
Hoover..

I can't comment on Obama yet although so far he is scarring the hell out of me. I don't think it's going to end well for all of us.. I couldn't care less what short term improvements we see in the economy.. I fear my children will have to bow down to China and other future powers of the world..
 

Chaotic42

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The best president this country has ever had is Franklin D. Roosevelt. A very close second is Abraham Lincoln. These two men, by their vision, saved this country from becoming something very different, in a very different world. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that knows little of history, I think.

But is that worth changing the fundamental nature of the country?
 

IndyColtsFan

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The best president this country has ever had is Franklin D. Roosevelt. A very close second is Abraham Lincoln. These two men, by their vision, saved this country from becoming something very different, in a very different world. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that knows little of history, I think.

As for the presidents since 1900, I rank them as follows:

1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Theodore Roosevelt
3. Dwight Eisenhower
4. Woodrow Wilson
5. Harry Truman
6. John F. Kennedy
7. Lyndon Johnson
8. Jimmy Carter
9. William Howard Taft
10. Bill Clinton
11. George H. W. Bush
12. Gerald Ford
13. Calvin Coolidge
14. Richard Nixon
15. Warren G. Harding
16. Herbert Hoover
17. George W. Bush

Barack Obama is not listed as he has not completed his term yet.

You forgot Reagan.
 

earthman

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He can't help it, it's obvious by his listing FDR as #1 that he's clueless.

Reagan should be forgotten. And whow would you rather have had than FDR? Wendell Wilkie? We'd be fucking speaking German right now.
 
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earthman

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But is that worth changing the fundamental nature of the country?

How was the fundamental nature of the country changed? In the first case we remained one nation and left the misbegotten travesty of slavery behind, in the second case we defeated fascist militarism and established the US as a world power.
 

Red Dawn

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The best president this country has ever had is Franklin D. Roosevelt. A very close second is Abraham Lincoln. These two men, by their vision, saved this country from becoming something very different, in a very different world. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that knows little of history, I think.

As for the presidents since 1900, I rank them as follows:

1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Theodore Roosevelt
3. Dwight Eisenhower
4. Woodrow Wilson
5. Harry Truman
6. John F. Kennedy
7. Lyndon Johnson
8. Jimmy Carter
9. William Howard Taft
10. Bill Clinton
11. George H. W. Bush
12. Gerald Ford
13. Calvin Coolidge
14. Richard Nixon
15. Ronald Reagan
16. Warren G. Harding
17. Herbert Hoover
18. George W. Bush

Barack Obama is not listed as he has not completed his term yet.
You forgot Nancy Reagan's Astrologist.
 

nonlnear

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How was the fundamental nature of the country changed? In the first case we remained one nation and left the misbegotten travesty of slavery behind, in the second case we defeated fascist militarism and established the US as a world power.
You're right, it is hard to understand how the "fundamental nature" changed when you think fundamental nature means short term tangible effects. All these abstract concepts like structure, jurisdiction, and "limits" are just so useless when it comes to describing the nature of government when you can apparently get a comprehensive understanding of it by just looking at how maps are colored and where armies stopped.

Your method of historical analysis sounds downright neocon!
 
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ProfJohn

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How was the fundamental nature of the country changed? In the first case we remained one nation and left the misbegotten travesty of slavery behind, in the second case we defeated fascist militarism and established the US as a world power.
1. The US was established as a world power prior to WW 2.

2. Just about any President could have won WW 2.

3. FDR's real legacy has almost nothing to do with WW 2 and every thing to do with the huge expansion of our government that we have seen since WW 2.
 

Siddhartha

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I don't think the Mars issue is the most concerning about the space program budgets cuts.

I may not be up to date, but the last thing I remember was Obama wanting to turn space capability over to private businesses.

We have many satelittes critical to national security is so many ways, I think it's simply foolish to abandon our ability to launch & service them.

Fern

I was responding to a post equating US national worth with going to the Moon and Mars.
 

CitizenKain

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The elitists keep trying to marginalize them and portray them as a bunch of fringe crazies, when in fact they (on average) are a more educated group than the rest of the country.

Which is why they carry around a bunch of signs that tell Obama to go back to Kenya and tell the government to get out of Medicare, because they are more educated. Right.
 

Chaotic42

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How was the fundamental nature of the country changed? In the first case we remained one nation and left the misbegotten travesty of slavery behind, in the second case we defeated fascist militarism and established the US as a world power.

With Lincoln the very concept of states rights began to wane. Now, I won't get into what the war was about, there's no point in that argument. I still feel that by bringing the Union to war with the CSA, the role of the federal government changed dramatically.

As for the FDR, he obviously dramatically increase the number of social programs, again changing the relationship between the government and its people.
 
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