Who is your favorite US President?

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Thomas Jefferson

those businesses got from Regan is the money that started the internet frenzy.

Worst: I would say Woodrow Wilson. He institued the Federal Reserve and sold our country to foreigners. Second is Teddy Rosevelt. He turned our country into the socialist welfare state that it is today. I applaud his programs to get us out of the depressions, but some of those measures were originally institued by Hoover and should have been abolished once the nation got back on it's feet again (ie: Welfare, Social Security, Medicare, etc...).

True about Jefferson. I'll have to read his biography next.

BTW, you mean FDR of course, not Teddy

You are absolutely right. My mistake

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: raildogg

Ok, and he also is the reason 9/11 happened and why we are dealing with the Islamic radicals. We should have taken out Afghanistan long before 9/11 happened. And what did Clinton did about the USS Cole incident?

I like Clinton but lets not overlook his catastrophic mistakes.

When Clinton began to bomb Afghanistan, he received little to no support for his actions. What did he get? People complaining that he bombs too many countries with little return. Ironically, that also included bombing Iraq, eliminating what was left of his possible WMDs in 1998.

The Cole was also left up to the next administration due to its time, allowing the next administration to get their feet wet, so to speak. Some seem to forget that the Cole was a little over a month before Clinton was out of office.

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Thomas Jefferson

Definately. He was against a strong federal government and strongly opposed to a central bank. He fought tooth and nail against those things that are commonplace today, and the root of what is incredibly wrong with our current system of government.

More recently, I would say Regan. The man took a country that was on it's way to the crapper and made it strong again. He reinforced the foundation of this country rather than just making cosmetic touchups. I firmly believe that Regan is the president that paved the road to the internet for us. If all those businesses did not have so much extra money laying around to spend on frivolus things (like the internet in the early 90s), it wouldn't have taken off so quickly. I believe that the money that those businesses got from Regan is the money that started the internet frenzy.

Worst: I would say Woodrow Wilson. He institued the Federal Reserve and sold our country to foreigners. Second is Teddy Rosevelt. He turned our country into the socialist welfare state that it is today. I applaud his programs to get us out of the depressions, but some of those measures were originally institued by Hoover and should have been abolished once the nation got back on it's feet again (ie: Welfare, Social Security, Medicare, etc...).

Wrong Roosevelt. And Reagan (If you praise him so highly, spell his name correctly) was a fiscal train wreck, although not nearly as bad as Bush, but no one really is.

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Jefferson Davis. He was the closest we ever got to a complete split from radical conservatism.

Wrong country

Before my time, really. I never paid attention to how it was spelled
You call call him a fiscal train wreck, but it takes money to get back on the right path, and Reagan had the right idea. Spend more now to get us back on track so that we could reap the benefits later. And we did in the 90's.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: techs
Bill Clinton.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Based on presidents I have 'grown up' with I would have to say Clinton (other than the mentioned blow job scandal). As far as second choice, Reagan, mainly on defense, though I hated his fiscal policies and despised Iran/Contra which IMHO was magnitudes worse than Clintons Blow Job scandal.

I was too young for Nixon / Ford, though Nixon does come off as a corrupt crook. Carter seemed like he was an unachiver in office, but has turned out to be a good respectable Diplomat. Bush senior was average, but carried the Iran/Contra baggage with him along with Reagans fiscal policies. And Bush Jr IMHO is just a complete and utter failure in all areas from social, economic, defense, all forgeign and domestic.

 

[spc hink]

Reagan - The star wars program was tight.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: spc hink
Reagan - The star wars program was tight.

Star Wars never and still hasn't happened ...

REAGAN'S "STAR WARS" PROPOSAL IS MORE ILLUSIONARY THAN MOVIE

 

[spc hink]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: spc hink
Reagan - The star wars program was tight.

Star Wars never and still hasn't happened ...

REAGAN'S "STAR WARS" PROPOSAL IS MORE ILLUSIONARY THAN MOVIE

Thats why it was so cool. He bluffed the soviets.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: spc hink

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: spc hink
Reagan - The star wars program was tight.

Star Wars never and still hasn't happened ...

REAGAN'S "STAR WARS" PROPOSAL IS MORE ILLUSIONARY THAN MOVIE

Thats why it was so cool. He bluffed the soviets.

I get you, though that was one expensive bluff to beat a country that was already in economic hurt. Broke the soviets a few years earlier at most.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Malcolm X.

Eva Gardner

 

[nageov3t]

Carter.

not necessarily for the job he did as president, but I think he is a remarkable and admirable person. certainly moreso than any president since.

 

[BigVeg]

Reagan

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: AdamSnow
Clinton - Only cause he got blown in the oval office... Thumbs up to that. :thumbsup:

Yep, the Republicans are jealous forever over that. :laugh:

 

[azazyel]

Teddy, that guy was just a stud. If he was alive today he would be busting some heads.

 

[tokamak]

Thomas Jefferson. Truly one of the smartest men to have ever lived.

Theres a quote (by JFK, I think), on the occaision of 50 Nobel Laureates visiting the White House, "...probably the greatest concentration of talent and genius in this house except for perhaps those times when Thomas Jefferson ate alone."

 

[Summitdrinker]

jimmy was a much better pres than some think..............

 

[morrisbj]

Originally posted by: Summitdrinker
jimmy was a much better pres than some think..............

I could agree with that. Especially since the biggest knock against him has since been admitted by some of Reagan's campaign staff that they rigged it. That whole hostage situation. Some of Reagan's staffers snuck around and made sure the hostages wouldn't be released until after the election, even though they now admit that Carter had made all the arrangements for their release. I would guess that Reagan didn't even know that one happened.

 

[BlancoNino]

I thought the hostage mission didn't work under Carter because the millitary was so underfunded that the vehicles didn't make it.

 

[morrisbj]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I thought the hostage mission didn't work under Carter because the millitary was so underfunded that the vehicles didn't make it.

No, it wasn't a hostage rescue operation. It was a negotiation. Carter had finally negotiated the safe release of the hostages, but a couple of Reagan's guys made a substantial bribe to the people holding them so that they wouldn't be released until after the election if Carter won, or after Reagan's inauguration if Reagan won. The immorality of it is why I doubt Reagan knew about it. I think he was a horrible president who spent more money than any president in history except for GWB, but I don't think he would condone such actions. They were only made publicly known after he left office and was suffering from Alzheimers.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: morrisbj

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I thought the hostage mission didn't work under Carter because the millitary was so underfunded that the vehicles didn't make it.

No, it wasn't a hostage rescue operation. It was a negotiation. Carter had finally negotiated the safe release of the hostages, but a couple of Reagan's guys made a substantial bribe to the people holding them so that they wouldn't be released until after the election if Carter won, or after Reagan's inauguration if Reagan won. The immorality of it is why I doubt Reagan knew about it. I think he was a horrible president who spent more money than any president in history except for GWB, but I don't think he would condone such actions. They were only made publicly known after he left office and was suffering from Alzheimers.

I am not in anyway doubting what you said, but do you have a link. I would be very interested in reading that. I did hear that the hostages were delayed after Raygun was going to be elected, but never heard how much progress Carter had made with the kidnappers.

 

[Legend]

Been a while since I took US History. I'd have to go with FDR, Lincoln, or Jefferson.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Teddy Roosevelt. For his bold stance on the environment, and his general ass kicking demeanor.

 

[morrisbj]

Originally posted by: outriding

Originally posted by: morrisbj

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I thought the hostage mission didn't work under Carter because the millitary was so underfunded that the vehicles didn't make it.

No, it wasn't a hostage rescue operation. It was a negotiation. Carter had finally negotiated the safe release of the hostages, but a couple of Reagan's guys made a substantial bribe to the people holding them so that they wouldn't be released until after the election if Carter won, or after Reagan's inauguration if Reagan won. The immorality of it is why I doubt Reagan knew about it. I think he was a horrible president who spent more money than any president in history except for GWB, but I don't think he would condone such actions. They were only made publicly known after he left office and was suffering from Alzheimers.

I am not in anyway doubting what you said, but do you have a link. I would be very interested in reading that. I did hear that the hostages were delayed after Raygun was going to be elected, but never heard how much progress Carter had made with the kidnappers.

Been a while since I've really heard about this. Was on the news during the 2000 election when a local station did a report on campaign practices of the past. I'll see if I can dig up a link for you though.

 

[morrisbj]

Originally posted by: outriding
I am not in anyway doubting what you said, but do you have a link. I would be very interested in reading that. I did hear that the hostages were delayed after Raygun was going to be elected, but never heard how much progress Carter had made with the kidnappers.

Here is a link that mentions the story, as I said, a Reagan campaign official claims to have been involved, but it is unclear first of all whether Reagan actually knew, and second, if Ms. Honegger is in fact telling the truth.

Wikipedia entry for Carter: Controversies

Make of it what you will, I am sure there are other links with more detail (although possibly less reliability) than Wikipeida.

 

[HombrePequeno]

I would say Jefferson is my favorite. He did have his flaws but he doubled the size of the US and helped repeal the Anti-Sedition Act which was a huge violation of civil rights.

For the worst I would have to agree with XZeroII here. FDR and Wilson are by far the worst. One created the Federal Reserve which because of it being inexperienced helped throw us into a depression. The other put into place programs that prolonged the Great Depression; some of which we are still working on dismantling.

I wouldn't call Reagan a great president, however. While he did help bring hope back to the hearts of Americans, he could have done so without running up gigantic deficits.

 

[eplebnista]

Lincoln