who owns a Honda CBR 600? I'm pretty much set on getting one as a first bike.

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MiataNC

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My first bike was a 2005 GSXR 1000 straight out of taking the MSF class, and it's still kicking 4 years later (see sig)

There are always exceptions.

Insurance underwriters only care about what is statistically most likely to happen.

A new 1000cc sportbike from a Japanese manufacturer will MSRP @$10-11KUSD. Younger riders are often quoted $2-4k a year to fully cover them. That is barely 2+ years before the replacement cost of the bike is paid into the insurance carrier whether or not a claim is ever filed. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the life expectancy of that particular bike/rider combo.
 

holden j caufield

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a few questions

What's the best tire pressure for safety for new street riders? I think it's supposed to be 34/34? I'm not pushing the bike, just want the best for slower/medium speed traction

There is road construction on a 2 lane road (2 lanes each way), and in the 2nd lane cars are hugging the lane adjacent to first lane because they don't want their left side tires riding on the gravel. I seem to be making my right turns a little wider than I want, this is from a stop. It's not a problem but lately cagers have been straddling close to the first lane to avoid the bumpy side. How do I fix this? Also the right turn is up a hill thus I have to give it a tad more gas.

How do I make really tight u turns without putting my foot down? I did fine in my MSF class for the box but my friends place is in a tiny, tiny culd de sac 10-15 ft of space? I'd like to do this turn without putting my foot down.
 

JulesMaximus

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a few questions

What's the best tire pressure for safety for new street riders? I think it's supposed to be 34/34? I'm not pushing the bike, just want the best for slower/medium speed traction

There is road construction on a 2 lane road (2 lanes each way), and in the 2nd lane cars are hugging the lane adjacent to first lane because they don't want their left side tires riding on the gravel. I seem to be making my right turns a little wider than I want, this is from a stop. It's not a problem but lately cagers have been straddling close to the first lane to avoid the bumpy side. How do I fix this? Also the right turn is up a hill thus I have to give it a tad more gas.

How do I make really tight u turns without putting my foot down? I did fine in my MSF class for the box but my friends place is in a tiny, tiny culd de sac 10-15 ft of space? I'd like to do this turn without putting my foot down.

Practice practice practice. You really made a poor choice in motorcycles for learning the basics of low speed maneuverability though quite honestly.

You're taking turns wider because you aren't steering/leaning the bike properly. Low speed you need to turn the handlebars the direction you want to go and lean the bike over that way while leaning with your body the opposite way. Using the rear brake and the clutch will help make this smooth. When you're up to speed, cornering the bike will require you to countersteer. You want to turn right, push down on the left handlebar. Turning left, you push down on the right handlebar.

Optimum tire pressures should be on a decal on the frame somewhere, probably on the rear swingarm or the chain guard. It will also be listed in your owner's manual.
 

holden j caufield

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if I must apply the brakes in the middle of a turn which brake is less detrimental the front or rear? Also it hasn't happened yet but what's the best thing to do if you have to sneeze? And I usually sneeze 2-3 times once I do.
 
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JulesMaximus

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if I must apply the brakes in the middle of a turn which brake is less detrimental the front or rear? Also it hasn't happened yet but what's the best thing to do if you have to sneeze? And I usually sneeze 2-3 times once I do.

Dude...are you serious? With these questions you come off as completely clueless about motorcycles.
 

holden j caufield

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Dude...are you serious? With these questions you come off as completely clueless about motorcycles.

not going to deny it. Haven't run into these scenarios but I'd like to have a default plan without having to think it through. I'd just assume the front brake is real bad as you'd lose even more traction on the rear. Sneezing I just assume, you deal with with it, but sometimes guys with experience have little tricks of the trades that aren't the intuitive response. Problem is when I sneeze my head will shake violently downwards. I think I've got 80 miles under my belt, but hey everybody has to start somewhere.
 
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JulesMaximus

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not going to deny it. Haven't run into these scenarios but I'd like to have a default plan without having to think it through. I'd just assume the front brake is real bad as you'd lose even more traction on the rear. Sneezing I just assume, you deal with with it, but sometimes guys with experience have little tricks of the trades that aren't the intuitive response. Problem is when I sneeze my head will shake violently downwards. I think I've got 80 miles under my belt, but hey everybody has to start somewhere.

Braking in a corner is generally not a good idea. Traction is limited on a motorcycle and if you're using all your available traction for cornering you cannot introduce braking or you'll crash. You should slow before the corner and then accelerate out of it. Where it gets tricky is decreasing radius corners because you can go in faster than you can come out...not a place for a noob to be trying to get rid of his chicken strips.

As for sneezing, I'd just recommend you try to direct it downward and not to sneeze through your nose.
 

halik

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Braking in a corner is generally not a good idea. Traction is limited on a motorcycle and if you're using all your available traction for cornering you cannot introduce braking or you'll crash. You should slow before the corner and then accelerate out of it. Where it gets tricky is decreasing radius corners because you can go in faster than you can come out...not a place for a noob to be trying to get rid of his chicken strips.

As for sneezing, I'd just recommend you try to direct it downward and not to sneeze through your nose.

The bigger issue is if you slam on the brakes mid-lean, you lose the gyroscopic moment on the wheels and the bike will stand up. Then you're headed off on a tangent to the turn...

Lot of people attribute the no-braking-while-leaning thing to traction, but that's usually not the issue (unless you lock up the brakes, but that applies to any situation). You're supposed to* roll on the throttle entire time you're leaning to keep the dynamic mass on the rear wheel and that uses up extra traction same way braking would.

*Twist of the wrist 2
 
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holden j caufield

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The bigger issue is if you slam on the brakes mid-lean, you lose the gyroscopic moment on the wheels and the bike will stand up. Then you're headed off on a tangent to the turn...

Lot of people attribute the no-braking-while-leaning thing to traction, but that's usually not the issue (unless you lock up the brakes, but that applies to any situation). You're supposed to* roll on the throttle entire time you're leaning to keep the dynamic mass on the rear wheel and that uses up extra traction same way braking would.

*Twist of the wrist 2

I know guys but I'm guessing at some point in time someone one on bike was going in too hot, misjudged the turn, something was on the road, whatever. I'm not talking about slamming on the brakes, I'm talking about simply slowing down a tad mid turn. If it arises and I'm sure it will what is less detrimental?

1) letting off the throttle
2) if you have to chose which brake, which one? Or do you keep rolling the throttle and apply both brakes.
3) do you just lean as hard as possible and take a low side vs all those alternatives though I'm sure this choice is dependent on many factors.
 

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Slowing down mid turn, leaned over. If I absolutely had to do it and there was nothing else I could do, I would use the rear brake to shed some speed. The fronts are quite a bit more touchy when leaned over.

Ideally, if you think you're gonna run wide, lean more. That's all there is, lean some more. You won't be far enough over to lowside 99.9% of the time. These bikes with the tires today can lean over so far it's amazing. It's also a bit different because if you had someone take a picture of you when you felt like you were as far as you could, you'll see that you're barely over. That's always been my tactic, lean more Once I get off the brakes, I don't get on them until the braking area for the next turn.

And once you do make it out, make it a point to dial it back some since you can't handle that speed yet, heh.
 

holden j caufield

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thanks, that makes sense. Again I haven't encountered this but it's good to have sensible plan should the situation arise.
 
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