Who "owns" the airspace over a house?

[SunnyD]

I'm too lazy to google this, and figured it would be interesting to discuss this.

With the impending "domestic surveillance" programs that will be flying drones by local law enforcement agencies over peoples' houses, I'm wondering exactly how far up one's "personal property" extends in terms of air space.

Simply put, since it's a drone and there's no way to contact it, if it "violates" my airspace - I want to shoot it down. You know - hypothetically. For shits and giggles. Cause I'm an internet e-thug terist. Or something. :biggrin:

 

[Fritzo]

It sucks getting added to the "no-fly" list.

 

[Minerva]

60 feet? I dunno, my grandfather was a HAM and I remember something like that.

In any case it's wireless, crack it, watch and fly it. If nothing else fly over a neighbor's house with a pool maybe you will see some naked bodies tanning! :biggrin:

A full choke 12ga high brass goose load should fuck it up nice but they will have a pic of you too just as if you walked into to rob a bank with no mask brandishing a hand cannon at the teller! :biggrin:

 

[skyking]

I was watering.
Knock it down with a jet of water.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

You don't own the airspace over your land.

Mineral rights, etc., to whatever's underneath are also not yours.

 

[SunnyD]

You don't own the airspace over your land.

Mineral rights, etc., to whatever's underneath are also not yours.

Fine. You made me use google. And you're patently WRONG.

Ownership of airspace ambiguously defined as extending insofar as to not interfere with the owner's enjoyment of the (airspace over) said property, with the exception as delineated by the guidelines governed by the FAA's minimum safe-flight distance regulations.*

*With strings attached, of course.

 

[Newbian]

You don't own the airspace over your land.

Mineral rights, etc., to whatever's underneath are also not yours.

Depends on if your property came with it when you bought it but generally you don't.

If it didn't and they discover oil / natural gas then have fun when they place a well in your yard.

 

[Vdubchaos]

You don't own the airspace over your land.

Mineral rights, etc., to whatever's underneath are also not yours.

And even your property is not really yours unless you pay property taxes.

:biggrin:

 

[SunnyD]

And even your property is not really yours unless even if you pay property taxes. You're just renting it.

:biggrin:

ftfy.

 

[AeroEngy]

United States v. Causby - Says basically you own just enough to use your land ....

Also according the FAA anyone can fly anything in the uncontrolled region of airspace as longs as they maintain 500 feet from people and structures. Air Rights

 

[Markbnj]

I wonder what one of those ultra high-powered laser pointers would do to a drone's cameras?

 

[Red Squirrel]

The trick is not getting caught. Build your own drone and go have a dogfight with that one. Make it controllable from your phone. They'll just think your texting. :awe:

If there's something that would cause a civil war though, I can see this starting it. People will start to shoot these things down after being tired of having their every move tracked.

 

[SunnyD]

The trick is not getting caught. Build your own drone and go have a dogfight with that one. Make it controllable from your phone. They'll just think your texting. :awe:

I was actually pondering this a little while ago. One of those little drones just hovering along and all of a sudden one of these bad boys comes along and takes it out. :whiste:

That would be ridiculously fun.

 

[disappoint]

I wonder what one of those ultra high-powered laser pointers would do to a drone's cameras?

Burn out some of the pixels. There are lots of examples of kids who screwed up their camera sensors with laser pointers. Black lines of blank pixels all in one spot.

Well at least that's what a I saw a while back with CCDs. I can't find that same video anymore but I did come across this CMOS one where the damage looks different than the ones I saw back then:

NSFW!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYDJI8Dcjsg

 

[brainhulk]

Im gonna train hawks to eat drones

 

[Apathetic]

You don't own the airspace over your land.

Mineral rights, etc., to whatever's underneath are also not yours.

That depends upon what part of the country you live in. The closer you get to the east coast, the more likely you are to own the mineral rights.

Dave

 

[JulesMaximus]

I'm too lazy to google this, and figured it would be interesting to discuss this.

With the impending "domestic surveillance" programs that will be flying drones by local law enforcement agencies over peoples' houses, I'm wondering exactly how far up one's "personal property" extends in terms of air space.

Simply put, since it's a drone and there's no way to contact it, if it "violates" my airspace - I want to shoot it down. You know - hypothetically. For shits and giggles. Cause I'm an internet e-thug terist. Or something. :biggrin:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it's not the homeowner.

 

[TheMantis]

Depends, if you live in New Zealand the Maori will claim ownership of everything. I'm not joking, they are currently trying to claim the radio spectrum and ownership of water resources.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

That depends upon what part of the country you live in. The closer you get to the east coast, the more likely you are to own the mineral rights.

Dave

Meh. Eminent domain. Boom, done, move.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Most likely the little Asian dude from Oceans 13, I doubt he stopped at the air space over Beijing.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Depends, if you live in New Zealand the Maori will claim ownership of everything. I'm not joking, they are currently trying to claim the radio spectrum and ownership of water resources.

Actually don't some places in the states actually have ownership of rain? Ex: you are not allowed to capture rain in any way to use the water, because the city owns it. I find that is such BS that they can do that. It's freaking natural, and it's falling in your yard! The fact that you don't really truly own your property is BS too. It's kinda sad to think that you can't really go anywhere on this planet and truly own a piece of land and do what you want with it. Everywhere has their own rules.

 

[Farang]

Actually don't some places in the states actually have ownership of rain? Ex: you are not allowed to capture rain in any way to use the water, because the city owns it. I find that is such BS that they can do that. It's freaking natural, and it's falling in your yard! The fact that you don't really truly own your property is BS too. It's kinda sad to think that you can't really go anywhere on this planet and truly own a piece of land and do what you want with it. Everywhere has their own rules.

Woody Guthrie strongly disagrees!

 

[Newbian]

Actually don't some places in the states actually have ownership of rain? Ex: you are not allowed to capture rain in any way to use the water, because the city owns it. I find that is such BS that they can do that. It's freaking natural, and it's falling in your yard! The fact that you don't really truly own your property is BS too. It's kinda sad to think that you can't really go anywhere on this planet and truly own a piece of land and do what you want with it. Everywhere has their own rules.

A lot of places around the world do that but if I recall isn't that mostly in very dry areas where they need the water in ground for a good reason?

 

[Sluggo]

Also according the FAA anyone can fly anything in the uncontrolled region of airspace as longs as they maintain 500 feet from people and structures.

There are some pipeline inspection Cessnas that fly over my house on occasion. Now my eyes aren't calibrated, but it sure does seem like they are less than 250 feet off the ground. May have an exemption of some sort.

 

[BarbeQueGuy]

The drones are radio controlled, since you are most likely closer to the drone than the remote operator, take it out with a burst of broadband RF. The antenna can be disguised as a Dish Network antenna, once it crashes in your yard its fair game!